Official 2012 Boxing Thread: JMM/Manny IV - FOTY.

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    Victor Ortiz must address conduct


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    Former welterweight titlist Victor Ortiz has some explaining to do.

    Ortiz has been ordered to appear in front of the Nevada State Athletic Commission at its Jan. 11 meeting -- to answer questions about his unsportsmanlike conduct during his September loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr. and inflammatory post-fight comments -- in order to be licensed for a scheduled fight in Las Vegas, commission executive director Keith Kizer told ESPN.com on Thursday.

    If the commission is not satisfied with what it hears from Ortiz, he could be refused a license.

    Ortiz is scheduled to face former titlist Andre Berto on Feb. 11 in a Showtime main event at the MGM Grand in a rematch of their April 16 barnburner. Ortiz beat Berto via unanimous decision to claim the 147-pound belt that he later lost to Mayweather on a fourth-round knockout.

    In that high-profile fight on Sept. 17, Ortiz intentionally head-butted Mayweather in the fourth round and was penalized a point by referee Joe Cortez. After Cortez called time in, Ortiz was still trying to apologize to Mayweather for the foul when Mayweather threw two punches and knocked him out.

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    All fighters who want to box in Nevada must reapply for a license annually and Ortiz's may have been rubber-stamped despite the intentional foul. However, Ortiz left the commission with little choice but to give his application additional scrutiny because of the remarks he made in a video interview last month. In the video, he said that when he fouled Mayweather he was attempting to break his nose and that he would do it again if a similar situation arose in a future fight.

    Kizer said that commission chairman Raymond "Skip" Avansino Jr. directed that Ortiz's application for a license be put on the agenda for the next meeting. Ortiz applied for his license Wednesday.

    "Chairman Avansino wants the commission to be able to question Mr. Ortiz about his actions in the ring on Sept. 17 and issues related thereto," Kizer said. "This is Mr. Ortiz's first fight since then and it's a new licensure year, but (the comments) definitely sealed it."

    Berto (28-1, 22 KOs), 28, and Ortiz, 24, both did interviews with various media outlets during a promotional news conference in Los Angeles to announce the bout on Dec. 19. The commission was concerned with remarks Ortiz made in an interview with Maxboxing.com.

    "I was trying to break his nose, 100 percent, because (Mayweather) nailed me 16 times with his elbow on my right eye," Ortiz said in the interview. "It was wrong, it was very wrong. But given the fact that I had asked the ref to keep an eye on that and I told him (watch the) 'elbow' (and) he kept saying, 'Keep fighting Victor, keep fighting.' All right, you want to get dirty? I got dirty.

    "I let the best take over. I let the best of me get away and for that I started feeling bad. And that's why I was like, 'Yo, Floyd, my bad bro, I apologize, man.' So I gave him a hug. They got me to feel human once again in the ring, and when I felt human I paid for it. Although I take it as a learning lesson, a learning experience, next time it ain't gonna be that. If I'm gonna head butt you, I'm gonna break your nose (on the) next head butt."

    Said Kizer, "The apparent willingness by Mr. Ortiz to head butt an opponent in the ring according to his own words is definitely a cause for concern for the commission. This is pretty blatant and Mr. Ortiz made it pretty easy for the chairman to have a hearing by saying those comments."

    Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer, Ortiz's promoter, declined comment, but manager Rolando Arellano told ESPN.com that Ortiz would welcome the opportunity to answer the commission's questions, and that he was willing to appear in person even though it meant breaking his Southern California training camp for the day.

    "The commission's mission is to help protect the safety and welfare of all fighters," Arellano said. "They're taking action to make sure that this type of conduct doesn't occur in the future. We appreciate the opportunity to go in front of them to discuss any and all of their concerns and to answer all of the questions they may have.

    "When we step into that ring, we want to display the highest standard of sportsmanlike conduct, so we'll fly out and listen to them and address any of their concerns. We're not bothered by their request. They're doing their job and we have to assure them that we will do our job in accordance to the rules and conditions of the Nevada commission while participating in a boxing event."

    Arellano pointed out that Ortiz (29-3-2, 22 KOs) does not have a history of unsportsmanlike conduct in fights and that he promptly apologized to Mayweather in the ring after the head butt, which eventually led to his defeat.

    "Victor did something wrong that day and was apologetic and showed remorse," Arellano said. "He was reprimanded that day and the commission wants to make sure nothing goes afoul again."

    Amir Khan: Man interfered with bout

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    LONDON -- British boxer Amir Khan has posted a series of pictures on Twitter showing what he says is an unidentified man "interfering" with the WBA fight supervisor during his split-decision loss to American Lamont Peterson in their light welterweight title bout.

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    Khan appealed the scoring and raised new questions about last month's fight on his Twitter feed, pointing out a man wearing a hat who sits down ringside next to WBA supervisor Michael Welsh during the bout. The man is seen leaning over Welsh several times and appears to pick up a scorecard on at least two occasions.

    Khan tweeted that the man's behavior is "strictly against the rules" and says: "Who is this guy? And what was he doing?"

    The 25-year-old Englishman lost his WBA and IBF titles in the Dec. 11 defeat in Washington after points were deducted on two occasions for pushing.

    Manny Pacquiao to hear fight options

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    Top Rank promoter Bob Arum is headed for the Philippines on Sunday to visit Manny Pacquiao and will present him with four options for his next fight -- none of whom is Floyd Mayweather Jr.

    With Mayweather out of the mix for the time being, as he is scheduled to begin serving a three-month jail term on Friday for a domestic abuse conviction, Arum said the list he will offer to Pacquiao includes Juan Manuel Marquez, Miguel Cotto, Timothy Bradley Jr. and Lamont Peterson.

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    "I'll sit with Manny and explain everything to him, tell him what I think each of these fights would do on pay-per-view," Arum told ESPN.com on Wednesday. "We'll talk about what (trainer) Freddie (Roach) thinks and about what (Top Rank matchmaker) Bruce (Trampler) thinks. Then I'll let Manny make the decision on which opponent he wants to fight, which I am sure he will do while I am there."

    Arum is flying to Manila with Michael Konz, Pacquiao's adviser, who will also attend the meeting.

    "Besides the opponent, the other thing we need to discuss is whether he'll fight in May or June," Arum said.

    Mayweather had announced that he planned to fight on May 5 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas -- and that he hoped to fight Pacquiao -- before he was sentenced last month to six months, with three months suspended, in the Clark County Detention Center near Las Vegas.

    Mayweather was sentenced after he accepted a plea deal in the domestic violence case stemming from an incident with his with ex-girlfriend, Josie Harris, the mother of three of his children.

    "I'm not married to May 5, so Manny could fight on another date in May," Arum said. "If Manny's opponent is Marquez, I'd be much more married to the date."

    The reason is because Marquez is from Mexico and May 5 is the Mexican holiday of Cinco de Mayo, traditionally a day when major bouts involving Mexican fighters are held.

    Regardless of Pacquiao's opponent, the fight will be carried on HBO PPV, Arum said.

    A closer look at Pacquiao's four possible opponents:

    • Marquez: He is Pacquiao's great rival. Pacquiao won a controversial majority decision against him to retain his welterweight belt on Nov. 12 in their third fight. Pacquiao now stands 2-0-1 against Marquez. All three bouts have been action-packed and ended with a debatable decision.

    "All three fights were so close and this fight would be another intriguing, close fight and have a built in audience, particularly the Hispanic fans who believe that Marquez won that fight (on Nov. 12) and was robbed of the decision," Arum said.

    Arum said he does not have Marquez, who is a free agent, under contract. But he says they have a good relationship and that Marquez made his biggest payday against Pacquiao.

    • Cotto: Pacquiao stopped Cotto in the 12th round of a 2009 welterweight title bout, but Cotto has won three fights in a row by knockout since, including claiming a junior middleweight title and stopping Antonio Margarito in the 10th round of a dominant performance in a much-anticipated rematch on Dec 3.

    "Cotto looked terrific with Margarito, he has the biggest fan base with the Puerto Rican (pay-per-view) numbers he delivers and he's the biggest name of the four," Arum said. "Also, people remember that the first four rounds of his fight with Manny were hellacious. You could sell it based on the fact that, yeah, Manny beat the old Cotto, but the new Cotto is a problem and they would be fighting at a higher weight. Last time it was a welterweight fight. This would be a junior middleweight fight with the (catch weight) a little lower than 154 pounds."

    • Bradley: Last year, Arum signed Bradley, a junior welterweight titlist who would have to move up in weight for the bout, with the idea that he would be a potential future opponent for Pacquiao. Bradley, whose fights are not known for brisk ticket sales, has never headlined a pay-per-view card. He was featured on the undercard of Pacquiao's November fight with Marquez.

    "Bradley is undefeated, he's considered to be a tough out and, for those looking at the most competitive fight, Bradley would be considered more competitive with Pacquiao than Peterson might be," Arum said.

    Bradley owns a lopsided 2009 decision win against Peterson in a junior welterweight title fight.

    • Peterson: He upset Amir Khan on a controversial split decision to win a pair of junior welterweight belts on Dec. 10. Arum does not promote Peterson, who is a free agent, but used to and has a good relationship with Barry Hunter, Peterson's manager and trainer.

    "There are pluses and minuses," Arum said of Peterson, who has never headlined a pay-per-view card but drew a raucous crowd in his hometown of Washington D.C., for the Khan fight. "Clearly, Bradley whitewashed Peterson, so you have that. But on the other hand you have Peterson coming off this fight with Khan that had a lot of publicity and it was a terrific fight.

    "And you also have this wonderful back story of how Lamont grew up in poverty. It's U.S. poverty versus Filipino-style poverty. Both guys came up in as much poverty as you could imagine. That would be a theme of a promotion if Peterson is selected as the opponent."

    Arum said he had no particular preference on which opponent Pacquiao should select.

    "I'll explain all the scenarios to Manny, but I don't care," he said. "I'm Switzerland. I'll present the opponents and we'll discuss it, but Manny makes his own decision. Now if I was leaning a particular way and I told Manny, he would probably do it because that's the kind of guy he is."

    Arum said his trip to the Philippines is planned to coincide with a commercial shoot Pacquiao is doing for Hennessy cognac, which recently signed him as a spokesman.

    "Hennessy is also doing a sponsorship deal with Top Rank, so I want to be there to show support," Arum said.

    Although many have had their doubts over the past couple of years that a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight has gone unmade, Arum said that he still hopes to make the fight when Mayweather is available.

    "You can't expect Floyd, after having been in prison, to come out and go right into a big fight," Arum said. "He won't be available to train or promote a fight in May or June. He'll probably want to have a tune-up fight.

    "I just hope that he swallows his ego and doesn't get into trouble when he is in (jail), because then the incarceration can go not only the full 90 days, but he could have the 90 days added on (to his three-month suspended sentence). You know they're not looking to do him any favors in jail."

    So the earliest the long-sought fight could be held is in November, Arum said. "And we still have not been told by Floyd who we should sit down with to hammer everything out. "

    Arum said he feels badly for Mayweather and the victim in the case.

    "I really feel sad for him. You feel sorry for the guy. I know what he did was totally unacceptable in society, but you can still feel sorry for him. You feel sorry for the victim in this (Josie Harris, Mayweather's ex-girlfriend and the mother of three of his children) but you can feel sorry for Floyd, too."
     
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    Ortiz is such an idiot.
     
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    [​IMG] at Mannys choices
    i would just  take the biggest pay day with Marquez bout IV

    Canelo v Cotto
    JCCJ v Martinez

    would all be amazing fights; hopefully they happen this year
     
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    Well supposedly the WBC ordered JCC Jr vs. Martinez if they both win their next fight. But, I could see both of em losing.
     
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    Kelly Pavlik, take note:

     
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    Floyds not going to jail till June let's see pacman excuse this time
     
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    If I had to bet I would say Mayweather will wind up facing Canelo Alvarez on May 5. #boxing
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    so is cotto a free agent?

    I would like to see Floyd fight Sergio over all the other names getting throwing out.
     
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    He's going the PBF/DLP route, gonna do it solo. Last I heard, Arum was trying to make him go back down to 147 for Bradley or the Manny rematch but %*+! that he's got a deep class at 154 to make a bunch of good fights.

    Sergio's fighting Macklin on St. Patty's Day, doubt he'd be ready by May 5th for Floyd.
     
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    Its going to be a good year for boxing.
     
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    Amir is turning into a joke. Claiming a mystery man at ringside influenced the judges. Just pathetic!
     
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    i knew that was going to happen. didnt see any shot Golden boy let floyd kill canelo this early in his career
     
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    Floyd vs. Guerrero is just awful...awful.
    I know they want to get a Mexican in for Cinco De Mayo, but both Guerrero and Canelo are just jokes of a fight.

    If I was Goldenboy I would just have Canelo fight like a Mosley on the 5th or something then push Mayweather's fight back a week or two and set him up with Kirkland.
    Have HBO play that Kirkland and Angulo fight over and over again so there would at least be some casual fans who would think that Mayweather Vs. Kirland would be competitive. Plus, you can sell Kirkland's story on 24/7.
     
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    Mayweather vs Kirkland sounds bad
    Floyd fans will look him up and say ""if  ishida and Angulo can knock him down"....
     
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    I'm a Canelo fan and agree with this, His comments were just stupid, I still don't see why he did it. [​IMG]

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    I don't know, man, it's better than all this other crap we're being served.
    Another option could be the winner of Alexander Vs. Maidana but A) I don't know if that's enough time. 

    And B) if Alexander wins, that fight is hell to watch aesthetically, though.    
     
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    Lucian Bute, Carl Froch negotiating

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    After Andre Ward outpointed Carl Froch to unify super middleweight titles and win the Super Six World Boxing Classic on Dec. 17 in Atlantic City, N.J., he suggested that a good future bout for Froch would be a match with titleholder Lucian Bute, since it was unlikely that Ward himself would meet Froch next. A few hours earlier, Bute and his promoter, Jean Bedard of InterBox, who were in town to watch the Ward-Froch final, held court with a handful of reporters and voiced their own interest in a potential Froch bout if they were unable to make a fight with Ward should he win the Super Six. Now, less than a month later, Bute and Froch are negotiating a two-fight deal that would begin with a bout in the spring in Montreal, Bute's adopted hometown where he is a major star, and be followed by a rematch in Froch's hometown of Nottingham, England, Eddie Hearn of Matchroom Sport, Froch's promoter, told ESPN.com on Monday.

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    Hearn said he was "having positive discussions with Jean and the team at InterBox" about the deal and that he was "very happy with the idea of working with them." "We have penciled two dates -- April 14 for Montreal and Aug. 4 in Nottingham -- for the 'home and away' bouts," Hearn said. "Don't see why we can't get this boxed off in the next week or so." Although Bedard did not respond to a request for comment, Hearn said there were still elements of the two-fight deal to work through such as what to do if the April fight was a one-sided decision or an early knockout, which would crush the marketability of an automatic rematch. "At the end of the day, we need the second fight to be relevant and appealing," Hearn said. "I'm very sure it will be." Bute (30-0, 24 KOs), a native of Romania living in Montreal, has made six defenses of his 168-pound title and hoped to face the winner of the Super Six. However, Ward, who is nursing a fractured left hand he hurt against Froch, made it quite clear after he beat Froch that he was not overly interested in facing Bute next. Ward said that Bute first needed to earn the fight by beating a top opponent. Froch and Bute have had a bit of a simmering rivalry already, making it an intriguing fight even though Froch is coming off a clear loss to Ward. "I think there is more of a story regarding Froch in Canada," Bedard said last month when he and Bute met with media before the Super Six final. "For our fans in Canada, Froch has been talking against Lucian for the past five years so it's a very easy fight to promote for us." Froch (28-2, 20 KOs) went 3-2 in the Super Six tournament fighting one tough fight after another. Besides losing to Ward, he lost a highly competitive decision to Mikkel Kessler in an all-action fight. He also defeated Andre Dirrell, handing the 2004 Olympic bronze medalist, his first career defeat, Arthur Abraham and Glen Johnson. It remains to be seen if Showtime would have interest in buying Bute-Froch, much less make a commitment to two bouts. It has one fight remaining on a three-fight deal with Bute and also has bankrolled Froch's last six fights. "We are talking," Hearn said of conversations with Showtime. "They have expressed their desire to keep Carl and I don't envision any problems either side." However, Showtime, which has Bute's next fight penciled in for April 14, would prefer to make a fight between him and light heavyweight champion Bernard Hopkins (52-5-2, 32 KOs), who has said he would go to Montreal for the fight and would be willing to meet at a catch weight of 170 pounds. Hopkins, who turns 47 on Sunday, is already a well-known figure in Montreal. He outpointed Jean Pascal, Montreal's other star fighter, there in a May rematch of a previous draw to become the oldest fighter in boxing history to win a world championship, breaking the record held by heavyweight great George Foreman. Dan Rafael covers boxing for ESPN.com. Follow him on Twitter.



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