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For years my mental model of the GOP was rich people using culture was as a lever to mobilize a voting block of deplorables in order to eliminate taxes and any other obstacle to corporate ambition.

But after the last few years, I think they're a populist cryptofascist movement endeavoring to create a ethnostate who are able to use low taxes as a lever to attract the money necessary to fund their ambitions.
 
I can’t recite that thing anymore myself. But then again most of us don’t claim to be patriots :lol: . Honestly the late night shows should do this to all the MAGAs and interview them. See if they are as patriotic as they present themselves :lol:

I can’t recite any prayers either and I use to be in church often as hell between being forced at home and at school. But I also realized early that I’m never going to be religious so why bother storing useless information.

oh don't get me wrong, I wish I did not retain this useless information but it was drilled in just like audience responses at Catholic Mass:

"...and also with you."

"...we lift them up to the Lord."

"...it is right to give Him thanks and praise."

20+ years after I last stepped foot in a church.

it's part of me.

bullet fragments lodged in my mind.

childhood indoctrination is so crazy...people would be shirting their Sunday slacks to see the same things done in an Arabic school.
 
I'm glad Sister Eileen isn't around to see this.

I know there's supposedly all kinds of translation and theological justification for changing the elements of the mass 13 years ago.

But in my heart of hearts, I will always believe it was about catching out people like me who only show up for weddings and funerals. It took me at least 5 years before I wasn't the one saying "and also with you" like I'm trying to bring back "fresh" or "word".

Getting that icy stare from mom...
 


This one is the best :lol:
use accusations of racism as a cudgel against the material interests of the minorities you purport to represent. :lol: rexanglorum rexanglorum

Not interested in arguing, but might be good for people to actually know what she said, why she said it, in context.

HENDERSON, Nev. — Hillary Clinton took her "single issue" critique of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) even further Saturday, telling an audience in the Las Vegas suburbs that she was "the only candidate who’ll take on every barrier to progress." In a call-and-response, new to her stump speech, Clinton rattled off social and political problems, and her audience loudly confirmed that they couldn't be solved simply by reforming the financial sector.

Democrats backing Clinton say she must sharpen her pitch to compete with Sanders

"Not everything is about an economic theory, right?" Clinton asked her audience of a few hundred activists, most of them wearing T-shirts from the unions that had promoted the rally. "If we broke up the big banks tomorrow — and I will, if they deserve it, if they pose a systemic risk, I will — would that end racism?"

"No!" shouted her audience.

"Would that end sexism?"


"No!"

"Would that end discrimination against the LGBT community?"

"No!"

"Would that make people feel more welcoming to immigrants overnight?"

"No!"

"Would that solve our problem with voting rights, and Republicans who are trying to strip them away from people of color, the elderly, and the young?"

"No!"

"Would that give us a real shot at ensuring our political system works better because we get rid of gerrymandering and redistricting and all of these gimmicks Republicans use to give themselves safe seats, so they can undo the progress we have made?"


"No!"

Clinton in debate: 'I'm not a single-issue candidate'

The entire rally was crafted to push the "single issue" attack on Sanders, a sort of attempt to rewind the clock, and define the surging progressive candidate less as an idealist with bold solutions and more as a naif who isn't familiar enough with the causes of the rising left.

My girlfriend was a big Bernie supporter at the time. This is one of the few things I have ever heard her defend Hillary about.

Clinton speech was not about pushing back against providing material gains for minorities, she was saying that alone is not sufficient. She was attacking Bernie for not directly addressing civil rights policies.
 
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For conservatives, "Critical Race Theory" is a buzzword to dismiss any discussion about racism, racial justice, and diversity

It serves the same purpose as "socialism" does in economic discussion

Just like I know most conservatives never read Marx and have no idea what socialism is, I am certain they have never read a CRT textbook.
 
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His Fall Off Is Epic.

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Mail-in voting is actually one of the ways the GOP stole Florida in 2000, and in turn the entire election

GOP operatives were allowed to correct voters errors dealing with the ballots coming from Republican strongholds, while Democrats were denied that privilege

Also, in the days after the election absentee ballots were counted from parts of the state that were Republican strongholds, but went against state election laws. The same didn't happen for Gore.

So when looking all the ****ery that went on in Florida: the Supreme Court basically handing Bush the presidency, Jeb Bush purging voter rolls in areas with high black populations, the people running the election working for Bush as well, and the fact Gore actually got more votes; mail is voting has been very good for the GOP in Florida.

It already helped when stealing probably the most consequential election of our lifetime.
 
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As I said: Elite manners for fancy white people. :lol:

No doubt, but I try my best to tell comrades, especially comrades who are white, cismale, and younger/new to socialism that there have been and will be bad faith attempts by capitalists and imperialist to use woke language in a bad faith manner.

In fact, as capital and its politicians and institutions respond to heightening economic and ecological crises with more and more barbarism against workers, capital will present itself as more and more piously woke.

While most PoC will see right through all of that, woke capitalist messaging has the effect of keeping white liberals from becoming leftists and tricking some white leftists into thinking that the ever worsening conditions of the working class are caused by wokeness, thus turning them into NazBols.

So as best I can, I try to get out in front of that messaging and implore my comrades to ignore all this rainbow washing and to appreciate the fact that genuinely intersectional politics are critical for organizing workers into a United front against capital.





This one is the best :lol:
use accusations of racism as a cudgel against the material interests of the minorities you purport to represent. :lol: rexanglorum rexanglorum


I appreciate Rusty for providing more context about that statement and yet, it’s still incredibly cynical and galling on Clinton’s part. If Angela Davis or Barbara Lee were running in that primary and offered a similar economic program as Bernie and had real credibility on race and gender justice, I’d take their critique seriously and heck I’d have supported them over Bernie.

But when you’re so cozy with banks and you’ve spent the last 30 years of your life socializing with bankers and financiers, it’s hard not to see Hillary Clinton’s statements more so as a cynical defense of concentrated wealth rather than advocacy for intersectional politics.

In the last few years socialism has gone mainstream as well as wokeness (anti racist, anti ableist, anti patriarchal concepts and language). We have had and can expect to have a whole cacophony of powerful people and institutions playing the former off against the latter and amid all of that noise, I support anyone who does a good job of harmonizing the two.
 
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