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dwalk31 said:
Declaring a national emergency is well within his presidential powers. Doesn't matter if he plays golf. Presidents play golf during wars. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
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I try not to engage with you often but the issue isn't that he can do it, its that he's using it for something that isn't even a "crisis". The point about what happens if Kamala or Bernie were to declare a national emergency on climate change or taxes is true and Republicans know it. McConnell knows it. They've been walking a tightrope based on this idea that as long as they aren't too blatant hopefully when the Dems get Power again they can argue/bully them into not doing what they want because of "norms". Its one of the main reasons they have been chipping away at the judicial branch because they think they can manipulate government from there as a weaker party. This though..... this sets precedent that forget your decision I'm going to do what I want. I don't see how that helps them long term when the Dems are poised to elect a progressive candidate one way or the other and next election is a tough one for them even without a blue wave.

A Criminal Justice National Emergency
A Equal Tax National Emergency
A New Green Deal National Emergency
A Healthcare National Emergency

Where does it stop, and what happens if those national emergencies are popular, unlike Trumps Wall? All of sudden you got fertile ground for some new deal legislation being implemented by the executive branch exclusively.....
 
dwalk31 said:
If Trump is, in fact, a russian asset, then he is unfit for office.

That said, it is not as if the American Intelligence Officials are always right. The president is elected to make the ultimate decisions in this regard.
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Thank you for my morning propaganda.
 
Wargames said:
I try not to engage with you often but the issue isn't that he can do it, its that he's using it for something that isn't even a "crisis". The point about what happens if Kamala or Bernie were to declare a national emergency on climate change or taxes is true and Republicans know it. McConnell knows it. They've been walking a tightrope based on this idea that as long as they aren't too blatant hopefully when the Dems get Power again they can argue/bully them into not doing what they want because of "norms". Its one of the main reasons they have been chipping away at the judicial branch because they think they can manipulate government from there as a weaker party. This though..... this sets precedent that forget your decision I'm going to do what I want. I don't see how that helps them long term when the Dems are poised to elect a progressive candidate one way or the other and next election is a tough one for them even without a blue wave.

A Criminal Justice National Emergency
A Equal Tax National Emergency
A New Green Deal National Emergency
A Healthcare National Emergency

Where does it stop, and what happens if those national emergencies are popular, unlike Trumps Wall? All of sudden you got fertile ground for some new deal legislation being implemented by the executive branch exclusively.....
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I don't mind engaging you, often.

I agree that he is testing the limits of presidential powers. In my opinion (and I think the Court will agree) he is well within those powers by declaring this a national emergency. Discretion is the reason President's are elected. And elections have consequences. If the Democrats choose to declare those National Emergencies they would likely be able to, especially as it relates to criminal justice reform.
 
It doesn't take a genius to see that Trump is a Russian asset, whether that is wittingly or unwittingly. If there was any doubt left, the Helsinki summit firmly decimated that remaining doubt.
Never before have I seen such an utter lapdog performance, from any politician.

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Thats why homey loves the fast food. He's so used to eatin' ****. He's been the official boot licker for putin & the saudi crown prince... He doesn't know any better.
 
At the very start of this year, Trump made blatantly false comments about the USSR-Afghan conflict. Comments that just happened to be perfectly in line with the Kremlin's efforts to formally reverse Russia's condemnation of the invasion and instead declare it as justified.

Despite knowing virtually nothing about history and having little interest in reading anything, including intelligence briefings, he managed to come up with a version of the USSR-Afghan conflict that was perfectly in line with an obscure parliamentary resolution in Russia, which sought to revise Russia's previous historical account of the conflict. Under Mikhail Gorbachev, the USSR invasion of Afghanistan was strongly condemned after it ended. The resolution being pushed through Russian parliament around the time of Trump's comments sought to formally reverse that condemnation and instead endorse the invasion as justified. A formal vote on the resolution was scheduled for February 15 2019, much later than Trump's endorsement of the Kemlin's historical revisionism.

When Trump started rambling about Afghanistan and disparaging the sacrifices of UK soldiers in the process, he happened to also endorse the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan, even using the same justification and some of the same terminology from Kremlin propaganda. Note that the USSR-Afghan conflict was also a proxy-war, in which the US backed the Afghan insurgent groups.
Furthermore, the insurgent groups in Afghanistan fighting against the USSR in that war were not only financed by the CIA, they were also armed and trained by them under "Operation Cyclone" as part of the Reagan administration's effort to combat Soviet influence around the world.

Trump thus endorsed the USSR's proxy war against the US and used blatant Kremlin-revised history to justify it, the same revisionism that was going on in Russian parliament around the time of Trump's comments.
In effect, Trump endorsed the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan to expand their communist influence and install a more pro-USSR government. In effect he also endorsed the USSR's fighting against US-backed insurgents.

Trump isn't interested in reading so where did he happen to find this revisionist history? Why did he bring it up on camera in the WH? At the time even Russia didn't formally agree with Trump's false justification for the invasion and his endorsement of it. At the time of Trump's comments, the resolution to formally revise that stance and instead label the invasion as justified still had to pass a larger vote on February 15 2019. Yet Trump was already repeating the new Kremlin accounting of that conflict.

In December 1989, the Congress of People’s Deputies (Soviet parliament) passed a resolution of "moral and political condemnation" for the invasion of Afghanistan.
Mikhail Gorbachev signed the resolution on December 24 that year.
http://www.consultant.ru/cons/cgi/online.cgi?req=doc&base=ESU&n=3113#05606331081309921


"The reason Russia was in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They were right to be there", Trump said.
This is completely false and there is no historical basis for this assertion. Again, even Russia's official stance on the conflict, prior to passing the resolution, contradicts this.
In fact not even the USSR used that justification at the time. They initially justified it as being in line with the Brezhnev Doctrine.
The Brezhnev Doctrine offered some limited sovereignty to states under the USSR's communist influence, though the doctrine noted "none of their decisions should damage either socialism in their country or the fundamental interests of other socialist countries."
In invading Afghanistan, the USSR asserted the Brezhnev Doctrine gave them the justification to do so, in order to install a more compliant government closer aligned to the USSR. On the other end, the US got involved as part of the Reagan Doctrine, which instead sought to limit Soviet influence across the globe.

Mikhail Gorbachev later abandoned the Brezhnev Doctrine, withdrew troops from Afghanistan and passed that resolution of moral and political condemnation for the Afghan invasion.

Trump's parroting of revisionist Kremlin propaganda on camera in the WH was so absurd that even the WSJ editorial board strongly condemned him for it.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-cracked-afghan-history-11546560234
Trump’s Cracked Afghan History
His falsehoods about allies and the Soviets reach a new low.
President Trump’s remarks on Afghanistan at his Cabinet meeting Wednesday were a notable event. They will be criticized heavily, and deservedly so. The full text is available on the White House website.

Mr. Trump ridiculed other nations’ commitment of troops to fight alongside America’s in Afghanistan. He said, “They tell me a hundred times, ‘Oh, we sent you soldiers. We sent you soldiers.’”

This mockery is a slander against every ally that has supported the U.S. effort in Afghanistan with troops who fought and often died. The United Kingdom has had more than 450 killed fighting in Afghanistan.

As reprehensible was Mr. Trump’s utterly false narrative of the Soviet Union’s involvement there in the 1980s. He said: “The reason Russia was in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They were right to be there.”

Right to be there? We cannot recall a more absurd misstatement of history by an American President. The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan with three divisions in December 1979 to prop up a fellow communist government.
The invasion was condemned throughout the non-communist world. The Soviets justified the invasion as an extension of the Brezhnev Doctrine, asserting their right to prevent countries from leaving the communist sphere. They stayed until 1989.

The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was a defining event in the Cold War, making clear to all serious people the reality of the communist Kremlin’s threat. Mr. Trump’s cracked history can’t alter that reality.
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