***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[mplsdunk]

I feel like it’s obvious she would be a Bernie bro.

 

[Belgium]

I think Warren had the best performance but she’s gonna have to give a straight answer on that M4A question sooner or later. Once again she dodged several times.

Other than that she held up very well in spite of serving as the pinata for most of the other candidates to beat up. They clearly see her as the frontrunner now.

Worst performance of the debate goes to Tulsi Gabbard. Her remark about ending all sanctins says more than enough.

 

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[rolaholic]

In my eyes, AOC can do no wrong. So I'm going to ignore, she vouched for Weekend at Bernies.

She didn't do any wrong here though,she's a proud democratic socialist endorsing the only democratic socialist in the race

Dunno what folks expected when she was already a volunteer on his 2016 campaign

Been funny to see (haven't seen it much in this thread but more in general/on social media) so many folks who have been stanning for the 'squad' hard against 45 turning on them for not endorsing their preferred candidate though

 

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[appleheaddmv]

Is it wrong for me to actually agree with the US leaving up outta Syria? I always felt like this wack *** country stays getting involved in other countries affairs... maybe I’m wrong... and I feel like a piece of ish agreeing with anything regarding Orange Face Trumpito...

 

[fargin]

She didn't do any wrong here though,she's a proud democratic socialist endorsing the only democratic socialist in the race

Dunno what folks expected when she was already a volunteer on his 2016 campaign

Been funny to see (haven't seen it much in this thread but more in general/on social media) so many folks who have been stanning for the 'squad' hard against 45 turning on them for not endorsing their preferred candidate though

Heyo I'm not turning on AOC, we just disagree to disagree on Sanders being the best bet.

I've been a great fan of Lizzie the civilian and a little lukewarm on Lizzie the politician. Bernie's not a bad candidate per se, but he's teetering on eighty, heck I'm not even keep on the only viable alternative being a 71 yo.

 

[dacomeup]

Is it wrong for me to actually agree with the US leaving up outta Syria? I always felt like this wack *** country stays getting involved in other countries affairs... maybe I’m wrong... and I feel like a piece of ish agreeing with anything regarding Orange Face Trumpito...

It's not wrong to want out of Syria. Blindsiding allies and putting US troops in danger is extremely ****ed up though. No way should we have abruptly left like that, after promising the Kurds otherwise, and against the advice of numerous military leaders.

 

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[RustyShackleford]

Is it wrong for me to actually agree with the US leaving up outta Syria? I always felt like this wack *** country stays getting involved in other countries affairs... maybe I’m wrong... and I feel like a piece of ish agreeing with anything regarding Orange Face Trumpito...

Wanting to leave Syria is one thing

Blindsiding one of are allies with news and setting the stage for them to be ethnically cleansed is another thing

The way Trump left just made it easy for the Kurds to get slaughtered.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I see Pete going all in with the John Daleney schtick. Acting like a petty clown.

 

[Armada]

Is it wrong for me to actually agree with the US leaving up outta Syria? I always felt like this wack *** country stays getting involved in other countries affairs... maybe I’m wrong... and I feel like a piece of ish agreeing with anything regarding Orange Face Trumpito...

There are right ways to do it and there are wrong ways too. Trump is doing this out his on self interest not a sense of trying to shift US foreign policy to not meddling in other countries affairs anymore and become isolationist (which personally I don't think is the answer either). And his decision and the way he did it not only cost the lives of Kurdish allies but United State's citizens lives as well, more importantly the Kurdish people now are at the threat of being whipped out.

 

[fargin]

I see Pete going all in with the John Daleney schtick. Acting like a petty clown.

Unlike Pete Buttigiegiegieg, Warrens been pretty consistent on healthcare for the last three or so decades.

 

[rolaholic]

Heyo I'm not turning on AOC, we just disagree to disagree on Sanders being the best bet.

I've been a great fan of Lizzie the civilian and a little lukewarm on Lizzie the politician. Bernie's not a bad candidate per se, but he's teetering on eighty, heck I'm not even keep on the only viable alternative being a 71 yo.

Wasn't trying to say you were,was just saying it shouldn't come as a surprise she endorsed the candidate who aligns with her policy positions the most.

Seen a lot of different energy from some folks on Twitter regarding AOC and the squad now that they didn't endorse the front runner.

At the end of the day,none of these endorsements this early are likely to move the needle all that much until Obama announces his which I doubt will happen at all during the primary season.

 

[Belgium]

Is it wrong for me to actually agree with the US leaving up outta Syria? I always felt like this wack *** country stays getting involved in other countries affairs... maybe I’m wrong... and I feel like a piece of ish agreeing with anything regarding Orange Face Trumpito...

I don't believe so. There is nothing inherently wrong about withdrawing troops from conflict zones.

I don't think the issue is withdrawing troops from Syria, the problem was the timing and execution. There didn't appear to be much, if any, strategic planning, consultation with allies to fill the void, ...


The point of using proxy forces like the SDF Kurds is so they take on most of the work for the international coalition against ISIS. They have been a crucial ally that allowed the coalition to focus most of their efforts on providing air support and intelligence gathering.
The Kurds also guard(ed) numerous ISIS detainees, resulting in mass escapes because they can't both guard them and fight off the Turkish invasion. The primary goal of the coalition against ISIS speaks for itself, and much of that work is being undone now. Additionally, the problem will be harder to combat in the future because regional allies have no reason to trust the US-led coalition now.

 

[rolaholic]

Wanting to leave Syria is one thing

Blindsiding one of are allies with news and setting the stage for them to be ethnically cleansed is another thing

The way Trump left just made it easy for the Kurds to get slaughtered.

Exactly,turning your back on a decades long alliance is never a good look at any point and it will only have negative, far reaching and potentially long lasting consequences on America's relationships and credibility with it's 'allies' moving forward along with the countries global standing.

Betraying the Kurds has also had the immediate and very ironic side effect of pushing one of America's longest and most steadfast allies in the region towards the Russian/Iran/Syrian axis for their own protection after being abandoned and left for dead by their supposed 'ally'...

Damn near every single one of 45's foreign policy moves have served to diminish American interests abroad while only strengthening a traditionally hostile power in Russia's position worldwide. Same thing for China.

'America first' my ***

It's been nothing but the Trump crime familys financial interests first above all

 

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[Mark Antony]

It's not wrong to want out of Syria. Blindsiding allies and putting US troops in danger is extremely ****ed up though. No way should we have abruptly left like that, after promising the Kurds otherwise, and against the advice of numerous military leaders.

Hearing quite a bit of military folks genuinely upset by this, especially ones that worked with the Kurds and already lost some folks they know, or ones who know how important those connections are. Yeah don't mistake this as anything but abandoning your allegiances and then selling them out to the slaughter.

 

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[Belgium]

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[elpablo21]

Called that man sawft

 

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