***Official Political Discussion Thread***

all jokes aside, what is the appeal of anyone with options choosing to remain in the US once this all wraps?

I already see people talking about moving out of NY(!!!) because they are dissatisfied with their experience...

with entire industries going remote, dcking this crisis up might end up really really really costing that country.

The better countries are too expensive, the ones I could migrate to/live comfortably in are worse off
 
WI is stupid af, they are always doing something dumb. Mississippi of the north.

look at corona in WI vs MN. Mn needs to build a wall, always coming to mn because Republicans ran it into the ground over there.
 
all jokes aside, what is the appeal of anyone with options choosing to remain in the US once this all wraps?

I already see people talking about moving out of NY(!!!) because they are dissatisfied with their experience...

with entire industries going remote, dcking this crisis up might end up really really really costing that country.

I’m black, this might be the best I got if everything comes crashing down. Between language, availability of guns, knowing the land, knowing like minded people, etc

I have been doing research though but I refuse to leave my family behind.

I been paying attention to economists for months and right wing extremist movements for years. Been gauging the weather. Told folks on here a few months ago start buying bullets, water, and masks because intuition was telling me the circumstances were right.

November will be the test but it might be too late to get out by then if we keep the same pace we’re at but I’ve kinda made peace with it

My focus now is caring for my family and for the people in my city who are affected by the disaster our government allowed to play out
 
Y’all already know. If you know and then admit that you’d sit in the back of that bus? I’m with you big time. Those who think that they’ve somehow made it because they are sitting at the front, or those who got there through entitlement? Be ready for a rude awakening.
 

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I recently posted this here



here’s a bit more


Louisiana has the highest rate of deaths from COVID-19 in the nation and, according to Gov. John Bel Edwards, more than 70 percent of the people who have died so far were black.

Black people make up just 32 percent of the state's population, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

 
I'm just going back to Lucia is if things get too wild up here.

Farm cocoa and sorrel, and enjoy the rest of my days
Honestly, I'd go to Canada first and if that failed then I'm taking my *** to Antigua.
Probably go work for the government. Go swimming every day. Eat healthy fresh food.
Build a house on some land. Find me a nice Antiguan girl. Plant some fruit trees.
Plant some babies. And live a simple life on the island until the day I die.
 
The better countries are too expensive, the ones I could migrate to/live comfortably in are worse off

you might be surprised...this level of global shakeup almost always causes individual nations to want more people from elsewhere with specialized skills...betting Spain needs more programmers now, for example.

I’m black, this might be the best I got if everything comes crashing down. Between language, availability of guns, knowing the land, knowing like minded people, etc

I have been doing research though but I refuse to leave my family behind.

I been paying attention to economists for months and right wing extremist movements for years. Been gauging the weather. Told folks on here a few months ago start buying bullets, water, and masks because intuition was telling me the circumstances were right.

November will be the test but it might be too late to get out by then if we keep the same pace we’re at but I’ve kinda made peace with it

My focus now is caring for my family and for the people in my city who are affected by the disaster our government allowed to play out

I have skin of bronze and hair of wool as well, so I do feel you on how that impacts the situation.

I don´t want to make too many assumptions, but have you actually compared qualities of life abroad?

no nation is perfect, but societies have positives and negatives and some may fit better with your views.

is an institutionally racist, corporate socialist, have-and-have-not state who sucks at crisis response because they spent decades getting way better at killing people than saving them REALLY the best you can do?

maybe...I would hope not, especially after the dust settles...thinking the EU might look interesting after this.





I feel people have roots, but consider the response I would have gotten by starting that convo just a year ago.

y´all seriously thought about it...just saiyan.
 
I’m still digging around, but my statements were thinking of rapid decline in not only quality of life but of society as well via economic collapse. I have a leg up where I’m currently located but I have developed and am still working on skills that would benefit me in a “rebuilding” situation and we are stronger at home as a group than as individuals in a new land.

there are some islands I have looked into though, and I haven’t quite accepted Europe as a destination yet for reasons I don’t need to get into, but I’m sure you can guess. cosmiccoffee9 cosmiccoffee9
 
you might be surprised...this level of global shakeup almost always causes individual nations to want more people from elsewhere with specialized skills...betting Spain needs more programmers now, for example.



I have skin of bronze and hair of wool as well, so I do feel you on how that impacts the situation.

I don´t want to make too many assumptions, but have you actually compared qualities of life abroad?

no nation is perfect, but societies have positives and negatives and some may fit better with your views.

is an institutionally racist, corporate socialist, have-and-have-not state who sucks at crisis response because they spent decades getting way better at killing people than saving them REALLY the best you can do?

maybe...I would hope not, especially after the dust settles...thinking the EU might look interesting after this.





I feel people have roots, but consider the response I would have gotten by starting that convo just a year ago.

y´all seriously thought about it...just saiyan.

hmm true. I’m a dual citizen in the Philippines but hell no ain’t going there lol.

maybe Canada will need more medical professionals in 6 months if they get worse...
 
hmm true. I’m a dual citizen in the Philippines but hell no ain’t going there lol.

maybe Canada will need more medical professionals in 6 months if they get worse...

Canada seems to be doing an appreciably better job both in this crisis and overall.

can definitely see that being an option for Americans with specific skills.

I’m still digging around, but my statements were thinking of rapid decline in not only quality of life but of society as well via economic collapse. I have a leg up where I’m currently located but I have developed and am still working on skills that would benefit me in a “rebuilding” situation and we are stronger at home as a group than as individuals in a new land.

there are some islands I have looked into though, and I haven’t quite accepted Europe as a destination yet for reasons I don’t need to get into, but I’m sure you can guess. cosmiccoffee9 cosmiccoffee9

haha yeah I feel you on balking at the EU...those charming Brits flipped the switch quick last year.

your point about being stronger in numbers is also well-taken, but that´s a pretty consistent challenge for people who look like us given that most Americans of this description have no defined homeland.

be lying if I said I had a great answer for that one.

I looked into a few islands when I was shopping for a new home 4 years ago, I passed because natural disasters and Internet outages are fairly common...also problematic supply lines in a crisis, [trumppapertowels.gif].

in any event, it´s good that you´re open to making a change...that´s a step further than most people go.

respect.
 


Origin Story:

Shelby v Holder


Not only did an African American cause the gutting of the voting rights act...but this African American went so far as becoming the ONLY justice to vote to strike down provision 5 of the act AND to write the consent supporting the (5-4) decision - which his vote would have single handedly prevented.

He was the one and only justice to argue that Section 5 is now inappropriate: "Punishment for long past sins is not a legitimate basis for imposing a forward-looking preventative meas-ure that has already served its purpose."

Under Section 5, any change with respect to voting in a covered jurisdiction -- or any political subunit within it -- cannot legally be enforced unless and until the jurisdiction first obtains the requisite determination by the United States District Court for the District of Columbia or makes a submission to the Attorney General. This requires proof that the proposed voting change does not deny or abridge the right to vote on account of race, color, or membership in a language minority group. If the jurisdiction is unable to prove the absence of such discrimination, the District Court denies the requested judgment, or in the case of administrative submissions, the Attorney General objects to the change, and it remains legally unenforceable.

One single African American's vote did this. ALL of this...

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SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
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No. 12–96
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SHELBY COUNTY, ALABAMA, PETITIONER v. ERIC H. HOLDER, Jr., ATTORNEY GENERAL, et al.
on writ of certiorari to the united states court of appeals for the district of columbia circuit
[June 25, 2013]

Justice Thomas, concurring.
I join the Court’s opinion in full but write separately to explain that I would find §5 of the Voting Rights Act unconstitutional as well. The Court’s opinion sets forth the reasons.
“The Voting Rights Act of 1965 employed extraordinary measures to address an extraordinary problem.” Ante, at 1. In the face of “unremitting and ingenious defiance” of citizens’ constitutionally protected right to vote, §5 was necessary to give effect to the Fifteenth Amendment in particular regions of the country. South Carolina v. Katzen-bach, 383 U. S. 301, 309 (1966) . Though §5’s preclear- ance requirement represented a “shar[p] depart[ure]” from “basic principles” of federalism and the equal sovereignty of the States, ante, at 9, 11, the Court upheld the measure against early constitutional challenges because it was necessary at the time to address “voting discrimination where it persist[ed] on a pervasive scale.” Katzenbach, supra, at 308.
Today, our Nation has changed. “[T]he conditions that originally justified [§5] no longer characterize voting in the covered jurisdictions.” Ante, at 2. As the Court explains: “ ‘[V]oter turnout and registration rates now approach parity. Blatantly discriminatory evasions of federal decrees are rare. And minority candidates hold office at un-precedented levels.’ ” Ante, at 13–14 (quoting Northwest Austin Municipal Util. Dist. No. One v. Holder, 557 U. S. 193, 202 (2009) ).
In spite of these improvements, however, Congress increased the already significant burdens of §5. Following its reenactment in 2006, the Voting Rights Act was amended to “prohibit more conduct than before.” Ante, at 5. “Section 5 now forbids voting changes with ‘any dis-criminatory purpose’ as well as voting changes that diminish the ability of citizens, on account of race, color, or language minority status, ‘to elect their preferred candidates of choice.’ ” Ante, at 6. While the pre-2006 version of the Act went well beyond protection guaranteed under the Constitution, see Reno v. Bossier Parish School Bd., 520 U. S. 471 –482 (1997), it now goes even further.
It is, thus, quite fitting that the Court repeatedly points out that this legislation is “extraordinary” and “unprecedented” and recognizes the significant constitutional problems created by Congress’ decision to raise “the bar that covered jurisdictions must clear,” even as “the conditions justifying that requirement have dramatically improved.” Ante, at 16–17. However one aggregates the data compiled by Congress, it cannot justify the considerable burdens created by §5. As the Court aptly notes: “[N]o one can fairly say that [the record] shows anything approaching the ‘pervasive,’ ‘flagrant,’ ‘widespread,’ and ‘rampant’ discrimination that faced Congress in 1965, and that clearly distinguished the covered jurisdictions from the rest of the Nation at that time.” Ante, at 21. Indeed, circumstances in the covered jurisdictions can no longer be characterized as “exceptional” or “unique.” “The extensive pattern of discrimination that led the Court to previously uphold §5 as enforcing the Fifteenth Amendment no longer exists.” Northwest Austin, supra, at 226 (Thomas, J., concurring in judgment in part and dissenting in part). Section 5 is, thus, unconstitutional.
While the Court claims to “issue no holding on §5 itself,” ante, at 24, its own opinion compellingly demonstrates that Congress has failed to justify “ ‘current burdens’ ” with a record demonstrating “ ‘current needs.’ ” See ante, at 9 (quoting Northwest Austin, supra, at 203). By leaving the inevitable conclusion unstated, the Court needlessly prolongs the demise of that provision. For the reasons stated in the Court’s opinion, I would find §5 unconstitutional.
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When am I gonna see an "faith in humanity restored" type video?

I feel bombarded by dumb, selfish, etc. type people in the media everyday :frown:

Pretty depressing

This is the #SMASHMOUTHSOCIALDISTANCING I'm talking about. Sometimes it will require you to choke out someone to make sure they keep that 6 foot buffer.
 
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