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I usually dont interject into the foolishness here, but isn’t it safe to say he wasn’t calling his detractors good people?

Also, there has to be other people who know that the president and Vice President were briefed on this bounty thing. We may not hear of it now, but we’ll see it in the pages of book in about 6 months. All those speaking up after they no longer work for this administration are simply trying to make people forget they were part of this disaster. There wasn’t a week that went by that trump didn’t do/say something unbecoming of the position he holds, so anyone that was there for it is complicit.
You think he thinks people that don't support him are bad people?

A lot of folks disagree with me on here. I don't think they are bad people.

Also, I think it is probably safe to say that he wasn't calling the guy shouting white power "good people" considering that he has openly condemned white supremacy repeatedly
 
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A lot of folks disagree with me on here. I don't think they are bad people.
You're not Trump.
Also, I think it is probably safe to say that he wasn't calling the guy shouting white power "good people" considering that he has openly condemned white supremacy repeatedly
To be honest, he probably has more pressing matters than remembering whether he condemned white supremacy, like how much does an extended stay in the international space station costs, considering that it might be the only place Putin won't lay hands on him (and even that is debatable). That is, if the GOP can keep him outside a US jail for his actions regarding the Russian bounties on the US military.
 

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You think he thinks people that don't support him are bad people?

A lot of folks disagree with me on here. I don't think they are bad people.

Also, I think it is probably safe to say that he wasn't calling the guy shouting white power "good people" considering that he has openly condemned white supremacy repeatedly
The benefit of the doubt you give Agent Orange is ridiculous.

Good people on "both sides" ala Charlottesville. It's just a coincidence he peddles in white supremacy and they overwhelming gravitate towards him.
 
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Also, I think it is probably safe to say that he wasn't calling the guy shouting white power "good people" considering that he has openly condemned white supremacy repeatedly
What has Donald Trump done to be given the benefit of the doubt with respect to racist dog whistles? Seriously?
 
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You think he thinks people that don't support him are bad people?

A lot of folks disagree with me on here. I don't think they are bad people.

Also, I think it is probably safe to say that he wasn't calling the guy shouting white power "good people" considering that he has openly condemned white supremacy repeatedly
He employs a white supremacist and his dad was arrested at a klan rally
 
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What has Donald Trump done to be given the benefit of the doubt with respect to racist dog whistles? Seriously?
I guess my point is that the conclusions that are drawn are because of the refusal to extend him the benefit of the doubt.

I understand why many wouldn't want to extend that to him.

But the posting of that video is not him saying the guy who shouted white power is a good person.

And it isn't even the benefit of the doubt really when he has openly condemned white supremacy repeatedly. It's like the words he says matter only to the extent they support a narrative.
 

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We're supposed to believe the words of a man who lies so much that people have gotten numb to it, yet disregard the numerous actions that he has taken over his 70 years that unequivocally say he's a racist?

In the words of Mya Angelou: "when someone shows you who they are, believe them"

There's something really wrong with somebody who willingly is this ignorant. You ain't a good person at all Delk.
 
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I guess my point is that the conclusions that are drawn are because of the refusal to extend him the benefit of the doubt.

I understand why many wouldn't want to extend that to him.

But the posting of that video is not him saying the guy who shouted white power is a good person.

And it isn't even the benefit of the doubt really when he has openly condemned white supremacy repeatedly. It's like his words he says matter only to the extent they support a narrative.
Of all videos of his supporters he could tweet, he tweeted one that had them yelling “white power”. Regardless of his denunciations that often occur after him emboldening these same people, at what point do his actions outweigh the denunciations that proceed them?

The President of the United States of America chose to retweet that video. And you think that it was accidental?
 
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Of all videos of his supporters he could tweet, he tweeted one that had them yelling “white power”. Regardless of his denunciations that often occur after him emboldening these same people, at what point do his actions outweigh the denunciations that proceed them?

The President of the United States of America chose to retweet that video. And you think that it was accidental?
He also chose to take the video down?

Do you think that was accidental or do you think it was an acknowledgement and clarification of his position?

If he meant to convey that message then why would he remove it?

Why not just own it?
 
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We're supposed to believe the words of a man who lies so much that people have gotten numb to it, yet disregard the numerous actions that he has taken over his 70 years that unequivocally say he's a racist?

In the words of Mya Angelou: "when someone shows you who they are, believe them"

There's something really wrong with somebody who willingly is this ignorant. You ain't a good person at all Delk.
The thing is you are also disregarding actions.

I've mentioned the legislation and funding that he has signed off on several times. And he is currently advocating police reform as well.

Are these actions included in your analysis?
 
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Does these things if true mean he categorically rejects white supremacy if his actions differ from his words?
His father getting arrested at a Klan rally, if true, is not an action by President Trump.

If you don't want to take him at his word, that's fine. I completely understand why you wouldn't.

But the issue is that you want to pick and choose which words you take him at.

You take the "good people" rhetoric, for instance, and you believe that he was talking about a certain thing.

But if he says he is against white supremacy you disbelieve him.

I guess the question is do you believe what he says or don't you?
 

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The thing is you are also disregarding actions.

I've mentioned the legislation and funding that he has signed off on several times. And he is currently advocating police reform as well.

Are these actions included in your analysis?
Mans been a racist for 50-60 years and you think a First Step Act and whatever else he tries to do to pander for black votes while at the same time taking actions diametrically opposed to the current movement is equal?

Man if you don't get all the way outta here.
 
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His father getting arrested at a Klan rally, if true, is not an action by President Trump.

If you don't want to take him at his word, that's fine. I completely understand why you wouldn't.

But the issue is that you want to pick and choose which words you take him at.

You take the "good people" rhetoric, for instance, and you believe that he was talking about a certain thing.

But if he says he is against white supremacy you disbelieve him.

I guess the question is do you believe what he says or don't you?
You don’t pick and choose which words you want to believe from him? You hand wave more **** than anyone else in here.

And I don’t choose to believe his words, I believe his racist *** actions that consistently happen on a daily basis. You conveniently ignore these actions and choose to believe some of his words
 
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You don’t pick and choose which words you want to believe from him? You hand wave more **** than anyone else in here.

And I don’t choose to believe his words, I believe his racist *** actions that consistently happen on a daily basis. You conveniently ignore these actions and choose to believe some of his words
We interpret the actions differently.

I actually think that his words are far more troubling than his actions.

And I have, consistently, stated when I had an issue with his words. Including his recent offensive naming of the virus and said that was potentially harmful to Asian-Americans.

The idea that I okay the behavior is false.
 
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