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I overall like Adolph Reed although he does focuses on class, rather than race, more than I do. I agree with him that capital does select affluent black people, who are critical of white supremacy but supportive of capitalism, it amplifies their voices, at the expense of more radical and anti-capitalist black people, in order to manufacture consent among affluent white liberals. Even with black radical voices being drowned out, leftist, especially white leftists, need to seek those voices out and not allow themselves to be content with only hearing one black radical's perspective.

Reed is good but there are other black intellectuals out there and we, on the left, shouldn't use Reed to just bash liberals. Engage with the totality of his work and also seek out others' perspectives.
Yeah but my thing is, when he is making this critique, does it not hit him that white leftist (often times affluent ones) are using him to do the same thing with among other white leftist.
 
I will admit the wipe he took at Abrams really piss me off for some reason, because that was some five-star **** boi behavior

You go on Michael Brooks Show. A man whose take on identity politics just as bad as Bill Maher, and who has the affinity with ****ty on black liberal women.

You go that dudes show, and take that swipe at that sista in that way.

Nah, if we were at the cookout, the dominos table getting flipped.
 
Yeah but my thing is, when he is making this critique, does it not hit him that white leftist (often times affluent ones) are using him to do the same thing with among other white leftist.

I'm sure he is aware that he frequent appearances on Michael Brooks and Current Affairs, over the last 12 months or so, are largely a result of the fact that he is a black man saying what a lot of white leftists want to hear.

I'll readily acknowledge that a lot of the discourse, up and down the political spectrum, involves white people taking on black people, who agree with them, as mascots. The legacy of MLK wasn't any enduring materiel redress or legal protection for black people. But it did yield the result that until pretty recently, all white people in the public space had to genuflect to the idea of racial equality and that black people are the conscious of America (something that is an unfair burden than any actual honor). We see that state of affairs waning on the right although even then, there's reason why Candace Owens and Diamond and Silk and Ben Carson have a viable grift. Tell white rightists that MLK actually would have wanted ICE raids and tens of millions of poor people having to work through pandemic, and you'll find an audience, albeit a shrinking one.

As we come over to the center and over to the center-left and out to the left, we see those factions making a more good faith effort to black people who not only cosign their world view but also who make a strong argument as to why capitalism, managed capitalism, socialism conform to the interests of black people. The center cites Biden's success with black primary voters and it highlights Jason Johnson and Zerlina Maxwell, in an attempt to say that socialism is inherently a white supremacist ideology, and the left brings out Nina Turner or Adolph Reed and leftists who are non black but are POC who cosign Bernie and/or a broader project of anti capitalism.

As far as Reed is concerned, I do feel like he is clear that he does not speak for a uniform black political consensus, which does not exist in a community of 34 million people. Also, what he says is better than what many centrists say. He's clear that black people deserve much better but so does the working class writ large. Now my main critique of him is that he doesn't challenge white listeners enough. I don't think he is a class reductionist at all but unfortunately there will be white leftists who will take what he says as permission to dismiss all racial critiques as "idpol."
 
I will admit the wipe he took at Abrams really piss me off for some reason, because that was some five-star **** boi behavior

You go on Michael Brooks Show. A man whose take on identity politics just as bad as Bill Maher, and who has the affinity with ****ty on black liberal women.

You go that dudes show, and take that swipe at that sista in that way.

Nah, if we were at the cookout, the dominos table getting flipped.

That was bad especially because most on the left have, rightfully, pointed out that political norms, more often than not, serve to uphold established power structures.

Among the people, informally on Biden's VP short list, she's the best and it's very cool that she is actively letting that be known.
 
I'm sure he is aware that he frequent appearances on Michael Brooks and Current Affairs, over the last 12 months or so, are largely a result of the fact that he is a black man saying what a lot of white leftists want to hear.

I'll readily acknowledge that a lot of the discourse, up and down the political spectrum, involves white people taking on black people, who agree with them, as mascots. The legacy of MLK wasn't any enduring materiel redress or legal protection for black people. But it did yield the result that until pretty recently, all white people in the public space had to genuflect to the idea of racial equality and that black people are the conscious of America (something that is an unfair burden than any actual honor). We see that state of affairs waning on the right although even then, there's reason why Candace Owens and Diamond and Silk and Ben Carson have a viable grift. Tell white rightists that MLK actually would have wanted ICE raids and tens of millions of poor people having to work through pandemic, and you'll find an audience, albeit a shrinking one.

As we come over to the center and over to the center-left and out to the left, we see those factions making a more good faith effort to black people who not only cosign their world view but also who make a strong argument as to why capitalism, managed capitalism, socialism conform to the interests of black people. The center cites Biden's success with black primary voters and it highlights Jason Johnson and Zerlina Maxwell, in an attempt to say that socialism is inherently a white supremacist ideology, and the left brings out Nina Turner or Adolph Reed and leftists who are non black but are POC who cosign Bernie and/or a broader project of anti capitalism.

As far as Reed is concerned, I do feel like he is clear that he does not speak for a uniform black political consensus, which does not exist in a community of 34 million people. Also, what he says is better than what many centrists say. He's clear that black people deserve much better but so does the working class writ large. Now my main critique of him is that he doesn't challenge white listeners enough. I don't think he is a class reductionist at all but unfortunately there will be white leftists who will take what he says as permission to dismiss all racial critiques as "idpol."
I am not saying he acts like he speaks for all black people. And I do agree that what he says is better than most centrist. Furthermore, while trying not to speak for all black people, but the view that black people and only black people deserve better is not a sentiment I have run into. Some reactionary dudes might hold it, but no one goes on TV or writes articles acting like progress for the black community should come at the cost of anyone else, or those other people should be ignored. I am not accusing him of being a class reductionist even though he does make rhetorical moves to avoid that label that remind me a lot of how Andrew Sullivan avoids bad labels.

Like I said dude is whatever to me but he is not as innocuous as you make him out to be IMO. If Reed and others want people to realize that there is more variety in black political commentary, then why is that they paint with a broad brush when it comes to black liberals. It is not just the worst actors he has the problem with; it is damn near every black liberal that doesn't talk like him gets it. It seems like if a black person talks about identity, or intersectionality, or white supremacy too much, or the economic realities specific to black Americans specifically, and he is there with a "well actually" and calling someone a race reductionist. If they are TV, that they are in on the finesse of not trying to turn the attention away from social democracy. He is flippant about black people's desires for change. He acts as if someone is not pursuing change through "class solidarity" and leftist politics that they don't really mean it, they are not serious, that they are only doing such-and-such for cathartic release. That's the **** many white leftists ****ing love, and eat up, and makes him popular with them. But IMO is pure ****ing bull****.

Reed ****s on black liberals, even the progressive ones, not just the centrist. That is one of my issues with Reed, many leftist, and even with you at times like I have said in the past, his arguments come off as mad hypocritical and rely too much on just bunching everyone together. So while I may agree with him at time, when I disagree with him he is usually saying some sucka ****.

Honestly after I heard him speak about Coates, after Coates wrote the article about Sanders and Reparations, I lost a ton of respect for dude.
 
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So you really and truly do not take issue with all of the white male republican judges that McConnell has been backing, then placing? You really do not see how the whole system is being rigged to even reverse what Trump has supposedly done for Black people?

He didn't take issue with Roy Moore so there is no low too low enough for him.
 
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So you really and truly do not take issue with all of the white male republican judges that McConnell has been backing, then placing? You really do not see how the whole system is being rigged to even reverse what Trump has supposedly done for Black people?

I think you have to go judge for judge honestly. Black judges have been appointed too under Trump. If there is a particular judge I can weigh in. But I think generally saying all the appointments are de facto bad for black people is not only inaccurate but irresponsible.

I understand conservative judges = bad is a nice little talking point. But you have to remember more folks got deported under Obama than anyone else. The larger issue is with the law. Judiciary just interprets the law. Yes, they can play in the grey area but congress can close that.
 
I think you have to go judge for judge honestly. Black judges have been appointed too under Trump. If there is a particular judge I can weigh in. But I think generally saying all the appointments are de facto bad for black people is not only inaccurate but irresponsible.

I understand conservative judges = bad is a nice little talking point. But you have to remember more folks got deported under Obama than anyone else. The larger issue is with the law. Judiciary just interprets the law. Yes, they can play in the grey area but congress can close that.
I do understand what you mean with deportations, but that has absolutely nothing to do with what I asked you. What you’ve done is to equate the plight of those who wish to be in this country through their own volition, with those of us who actually built this country. Those right wing white judges being hired through McConnell, do not have the best interests of Black America at heart, with some not even qualified to be judges if we are to take experience into consideration. How many Black judges did McConnell place in the past three years?
 
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I do understand what you mean with deportations, but that has absolutely nothing to do with what I asked you.

you are new in this thread but will quickly find that when you ask him questions the answers have little to do with the question that was asked
 
I think you have to go judge for judge honestly. Black judges have been appointed too under Trump. If there is a particular judge I can weigh in. But I think generally saying all the appointments are de facto bad for black people is not only inaccurate but irresponsible.

I understand conservative judges = bad is a nice little talking point. But you have to remember more folks got deported under Obama than anyone else. The larger issue is with the law. Judiciary just interprets the law. Yes, they can play in the grey area but congress can close that.
This argument has so much bull**** in it :lol: :lol:
 
87% white

78% white males

4% black



Care to drop the percentage of lawyers that are black?

I am not just talking.

I’ve worked for two article 3 judges. One at the district court level, one at the court of appeals.

Appointed by Clinton and Obama respectively. Both black.

Yes, there are issues and we need more black appointments no doubt. As you recall, the only black Supreme Court Justice was appointed by a Republican. And the first black president did not appoint a black Supreme Court justice.

RBG who is applauded by the left has had like 1 black law clerk her entire career. There are issues, no doubt.
 
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