:::[Official] San Francisco 49ers 2024 Offseason Thread [NFC CHAMPIONS]:::

[lightweight champion]

The point that not winning the Lombardi and having nothing to show for it is misguided. Pending free agents definitely take notice of a team's progression. Guys like Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett added to the Legion of Boom. Antoine Bethea, Brandon Jacobs, and Mario Manningham came to us when Harbaugh righted our ship. Jason Witten came out of retirement because he thought he could be the missing piece for Dallas.

 

[heatseeker23]

you're right the sweet spot is somewhere in between

but selling the farm to sign deshaun watson and JJ watt is not in between, it is literally extreme af

we're talking 2-3 first rounders and maybe fred warner and nick bosa. that doesn't sound extreme?

 

[dland24]

you're right the sweet spot is somewhere in between

but selling the farm to sign deshaun watson and JJ watt is not in between, it is literally extreme af

we're talking 2-3 first rounders and maybe fred warner and nick bosa. that doesn't sound extreme?

Where is this idea that it would cost 3 first rounders plus Warner AND Bosa coming from? There is no chance it would cost that much.

 

[heatseeker23]

2-3 first rounders to match rams for stafford, an enticing more valuable player like warner to match and top jared goff, & something to top that third round pick rams also sent (49ers don't own a 3rd) so they have to add their second.

okay great, you got watson! oh wait, you got him, but you still have to pay him. jimmy g cut (tough to trade clause not much to gain trading him), weston richburg let go, dee ford (somehow) settled.

K cool you got watson and freed up enough cash to pay him. but now you're pretty strapped for cash, again.

but now comes the free agency massacre:

• richard sherman, jason verette, kwan williams, emanuel mosely, witherspoon, marcell harris, and jaquaski tartt all becoming free agents, even if you retain a couple of them, you need at least 2-3 more defensive backs and 1-2 safeties.
• weston richburg gone to afford watson, ben garland a free agent. you barely have a center. like at all.
  • even grassu or bergstrom would need a contract
• trent williams, you can't tag him, you traded picks to get him for a year, and now if you don't pay him a hefty extension, he's gone
• kyle juicecheck, also pending free agency, might wanna hang on to him
• solomon thomas, kerry hyder, ronald blair, dion jordan all becoming free agents, dee ford gone, who is playing at the edge again? besides Nick Bosa?
• kendrick bourne (laughably) one of the most clutch WRs on the team needs an extendo or he walks too, not too tough of a pill to swallow,,,, unless ayuk or debeo get hurt.
• jordan reed and ross dwelley becoming free agents, i guess kittle and charlie woerner are playing every snap of the season?
• Oline becomes McGlinchey, laken Tomlinson, Skule, grassu, and Brunskill

traded 1st, 2nd, round picks, don't own a 3rd so you're plugging all these holes with 4th-7th round picks. and you can't sign many free agents because you're spending 156 mil on Watson and have to figure out that cheddar for Juice or Trent Williams but probably not both.

As much as I'd like it to work it's just so many holes to fill. With cap losses from covid this is a ****ty offseason to be having a QB crisis. Which is why it might be smart to just keep ol' JimmY GQ for one more year.

if someone can take a look at this https://overthecap.com/free-agency/san-francisco-49ers/ and tell me how they're going to manage this potential off season exodus and sign DeShaun Watson I'm all ears but I feel like this will be a tough offseason

 

[junglejim]

2-3 first rounders to match rams for stafford, an enticing more valuable player like warner to match and top jared goff, & something to top that third round pick rams also sent (49ers don't own a 3rd) so they have to add their second.

okay great, you got watson! oh wait, you got him, but you still have to pay him. jimmy g cut (tough to trade clause not much to gain trading him), weston richburg let go, dee ford (somehow) settled.

K cool you got watson and freed up enough cash to pay him. but now you're pretty strapped for cash, again.

but now comes the free agency massacre:

• richard sherman, jason verette, kwan williams, emanuel mosely, witherspoon, marcell harris, and jaquaski tartt all becoming free agents, even if you retain a couple of them, you need at least 2-3 more defensive backs and 1-2 safeties.
• weston richburg gone to afford watson, ben garland a free agent. you barely have a center. like at all.
  • even grassu or bergstrom would need a contract
• trent williams, you can't tag him, you traded picks to get him for a year, and now if you don't pay him a hefty extension, he's gone
• kyle juicecheck, also pending free agency, might wanna hang on to him
• solomon thomas, kerry hyder, ronald blair, dion jordan all becoming free agents, dee ford gone, who is playing at the edge again? besides Nick Bosa?
• kendrick bourne (laughably) one of the most clutch WRs on the team needs an extendo or he walks too, not too tough of a pill to swallow,,,, unless ayuk or debeo get hurt.
• jordan reed and ross dwelley becoming free agents, i guess kittle and charlie woerner are playing every snap of the season?
• Oline becomes McGlinchey, laken Tomlinson, Skule, grassu, and Brunskill

traded 1st, 2nd, round picks, don't own a 3rd so you're plugging all these holes with 4th-7th round picks. and you can't sign many free agents because you're spending 156 mil on Watson and have to figure out that cheddar for Juice or Trent Williams but probably not both.

As much as I'd like it to work it's just so many holes to fill. With cap losses from covid this is a ****ty offseason to be having a QB crisis. Which is why it might be smart to just keep ol' JimmY GQ for one more year.

if someone can take a look at this https://overthecap.com/free-agency/san-francisco-49ers/ and tell me how they're going to manage this potential off season exodus and sign DeShaun Watson I'm all ears but I feel like this will be a tough offseason

will you stop with this nonsense. Watson makes less than Jimmy G this year. Like 10 million less. Literally all they have to do is cut Jimmy G and they have enough money for Watson.

Also part of the package for the rams was getting rid of goffs contract. They paid additional compensation to do this

You keep looking at the wrong contract year for Watson.

Jimmy’s numbers

Watsons numbers

if you want to argue that it’s going to screw us NEXT year I’m all for it. But arguing that it’s going to hurt us this year in free agency when it will save us almost $10M is stupidity

 

[moe200069]

As a fan, I'm usually frugal as hell when it comes to the niners trading draft capital but i learned the hard way watching that harbaugh team that windows close hella quickly if you don't have a talented QB. doesn't matter if the defense is elite, a great QB can cover up multiple holes on both sides of the ball that collectively defenses can't. if niners have a chance to grab someone like watson, who's proven he can carry a team into the playoffs, go for it.

ultimately, the niners are gonna have some tough choices soon with Warner and Bosa's contracts. seeing as to what they did with DeFo, who is ELITE, I wouldn't be surprised if Lynch let one of them walk or traded them. If you're potentially going to lose Bosa or Warner, might as well swing for the fences and package one of them with some draft capital to grab watson. who knows if Jimmy's going to actually put it all together enough to play like did in the recent SB season. considering he stumbled out the gates this year prior to the high ankle sprain, he's not inspiring a lot of confidence.

 

[dland24]

heatseeker23

**EDIT** I just reread what junglejim wrote and I dont need to essentially make the same post. Your entire post is littered with misinformation and assumptions. I couldnt disagree more with virtually every aspect of that post than I do.

 

[cedric ceballos]

I’m all for getting a Deshaun Watson caliber qb as long as the trade doesn’t essentially make them become what the Houston Texans currently are minus the dysfunctional atmosphere.

Yeah a top qb can make up for a lot of flaws as long as you’re not a bad team everywhere else outside the qb position. But unless you have Tom Brady, a good qb alone doesn’t guarantee anything. The Saints only made 1 super bowl under 15 seasons of Drew Brees, it’s going on 7 years since Russell Wilson last took Seattle to the Super Bowl, it’s been 10 years since Aaron Rodgers made his only Super Bowl appearance, 10 years since Ben Roethlesberger last went as well. Those Saints, Packers, Steelers, and Seahawks teams have made the playoffs consistently and have generally been well ran organizations during that stretch and even with that, it’s been tough for them. Hell the Saints had multiple 7-9 seasons where Drew Brees put up crazy numbers, GB had a few down years as well and Houston went 4-12 this past season. Having an elite qb is a luxury, but ultimately you gotta be able to put a quality team around them

If you’re an organization that habitually is drafting late in the first round and has a knack for consistently finding talent in the later rounds, those first round picks are very expendable. If they trade multiple picks for Watson, they’re essentially betting that they’re going to be drafting late in the first round the next few seasons. A reasonable bet if they think they have the infrastructure in place to win consistently.

However, ever since Aeneas Williams put that hit on Steve Young on MNF in 99, it’s been a rough 2 decades. Aside from 2011-13 and 2019, it’s been a lot of struggles and down years. Yeah they were good in 2001-02 but those teams weren’t beating the NFC powerhouses at the time.

 

[ace]

I’m at the point where I just want to talk X’s and O’s again. All these numbers and hypotheticals got my head spinning.

 

[dharv]

i swear if indi gets wentz for 2 second rounders, or even less i am going to be very disappointed with john/kyle. the talent difference between carson and jimmy is insane. even with a healthy unit + jimmy under center those 2nd's will be in the 20's. you have to pull the trigger if this is all philly is going to get.

sitting here dreaming of devonta smith or kyle pitts paired with kittle, deebo and brandon. wentz would have weaponry through the roof. address pass rush and o line a tad bit later.

One NFL source thinks the Eagles will be forced to trade Carson Wentz to the Colts and then draft a quarterback at No. 6

The latest on the QB front.

www.bleedinggreennation.com

 

[Fozz]

I’m at the point where I just want to talk X’s and O’s again. All these numbers and hypotheticals got my head spinning.

Yeah, I'm done with the hypotheticals. Whatever happens, happens.

My hope is that every move the Niners make in prep for this upcoming season will help them be a SB winner.

 

[townbidness]

Wentz aint it. Dude regressed so much.

 

[Final Bosa]

Only want Rodgers or Watson, if we dont get em. Back to business as usual... Load up in the draft, get that Oline help and depth in positions we need.

 

[illvine]

Said it here but I’m all for going and getting Deshaun, but if Bosa or Freddy are involved it’s a hard no from me. Rather roll with Jim and have those two here than I would Deshaun and one of those guys gone imo

 

[orsrt8]

I’d be ecstatic if we can somehow land JJ Watt. We have a good dline when Bosa is out there. Heck our defense was pretty good last year with him out. But Watt would make it just scary. Defense could carry us again like in 2019.

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

As great as Watson is, he will cost too much draft capital. In an offseason where we have 40 free agents.

Timing is everything and the timing ain't right to trade all those picks plus the kitchen sink for Watson.

What Niners should do is trade up to #2 to get Wilson. Zach's presence would put the pressure on Jimmy putting him in a do-or-die scenario. Who knows we may even get the best version of Garoppolo knowing that Zach over his shoulder waiting in the wings.

What's even better is SF gets 2 starting QB's with Zach and Porn Star instead of Jimmy plus sorry *** Mullens or Beathard.

 

[townbidness]

We got Josh Rosen too. See what the kid got

 

[moe200069]

We got Josh Rosen too. See what the kid got

not gonna lie, this made me kinda sad knowing that if **** got desperate, we'd potentially have to kick the tires on josh rosen.. reminds me of those seasons we were hoping blaine gabbert could morph into 2012 alex smith

 

[lightweight champion]

We've got $40M in cap right now. Taking on Watson puts us at $25M. Cut Jimmy's $26M and that puts us at $48.2M (dead cap hit). Cutting Ford and Richburg creates another $10M to put us at $58M. Warner is due in 2022 and he's going to command Bobby Wagner money, maybe even a little more. I'll put that at $20M per year. Keeping Warner and Rosa while retaining cap flexibility is entirely possible but we'd probably be looking at signing a bunch of 1 year deals for guys just to fill out the roster.

 

[lightweight champion]

not gonna lie, this made me kinda sad knowing that if **** got desperate, we'd potentially have to kick the tires on josh rosen.. reminds me of those seasons we were hoping blaine gabbert could morph into 2012 alex smith

Rosen has all the ability he needs, but he's got leadership issues that is Connor Cook level bad. All signs point to him feeling entitled.

 

[junglejim]

As great as Watson is, he will cost too much draft capital. In an offseason where we have 40 free agents.

Timing is everything and the timing ain't right to trade all those picks plus the kitchen sink for Watson.

What Niners should do is trade up to #2 to get Wilson. Zach's presence would put the pressure on Jimmy putting him in a do-or-die scenario. Who knows we may even get the best version of Garoppolo knowing that Zach over his shoulder waiting in the wings.

What's even better is SF gets 2 starting QB's with Zach and Porn Star instead of Jimmy plus sorry *** Mullens or Beathard.

I hate to break it to you but that’s going to cost a couple firsts and seconds as well. I think the jets traded their 6 overall, and three seconds to move up to number 3 when they traded for Darnold. I gotta imagine moving from 12 to 2 will force us to add a first into that

 

[junglejim]

Looks like we just cleared $5M in cap space

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

Something to consider when deciding whether or not Bosa should be traded:

In high school, he tore one ACL.

At Ohio State, he had another injury that cost him to miss a lot of games.

In the NFL, he tore his other ACL.

If acquiring the #2 means trading Bosa to Saleh and the Jets straight up for their #2, it may just be enough to get Wilson without sacrificing another first rounder.

And there's No telling if Bosa will be durable enough to last a solid 7 years... and with his style of play, he could well be injury prone going forward.

 

[dharv]

Wentz aint it. Dude regressed so much.

i’ll be back to quote this next season when Indi is at least in the AFC Championship and he’s playing at a pro bowl level.

 

[ii flash ii]

Wentz for a 3rd and a conditional 2nd

We can get better than that for Jimmy