:::[Official] San Francisco 49ers 2024 Season Thread [2-2 vs Cardinals 10/07 1:05PST]:::

[niketalker23]

Injuries or no injuries. They should’ve won the Rams, Cardinals and Seahawks games. They were in control of all 3 of those games until late in the 4th quarter. Injuries weren’t why they lost those games. Hell if they simply win 2 of those games, they’re comfortably in first place and in control of the division right now.

Kyle is a good coach. Even if he ends being the fall guy at some point here. I’ll still think he’s a good coach. He’s also not above some major self reflection and being receptive to valid criticism to fix some visible key flaws he has which are preventing him from being a great coach.

Sorrenson is the defensive coordinator. But Kyle ultimately hired him and Brandon Staley. This is a veteran team but they commit way too many undisciplined penalties for a veteran team. That’s a reflection on coaching. The main critiques of Kyle Shanahan are all valid takes until he gets over that final hump. Doesn’t mean he’s a bad coach in any way. But the great coaches adapt and evolve.

They absolutely should bring him back next season. But there’s room for improvement on his end.

Nobody is saying hes above the crticism. But saying he should be on the hot seat a bad year after 4 consecutive NFCG and 2 SB appearances is dumb to me. Great coaches do adapt and Kyle has done that, which is why he's had success with both Jimmy and Brock. He's gone from being a running team, to a YAC team, and this year the team was leading the league in deep completions. Of course there's room for improvement but they've been able to sustain success for a bunch of years now and I fully believe he can get us back on track next season.

 

[22stylez]

Nobody is saying hes above the crticism. But saying he should be on the hot seat a bad year after 4 consecutive NFCG and 2 SB appearances is dumb to me. Great coaches do adapt and Kyle has done that, which is why he's had success with both Jimmy and Brock. He's gone from being a running team, to a YAC team, and this year the team was leading the league in deep completions. Of course there's room for improvement but they've been able to sustain success for a bunch of years now and I fully believe he can get us back on track next season.

 

[Bosa]

Winter storm watch in Buffalo for Sunday

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

Nobody is saying hes above the crticism. But saying he should be on the hot seat a bad year after 4 consecutive NFCG and 2 SB appearances is dumb to me. Great coaches do adapt and Kyle has done that, which is why he's had success with both Jimmy and Brock. He's gone from being a running team, to a YAC team, and this year the team was leading the league in deep completions. Of course there's room for improvement but they've been able to sustain success for a bunch of years now and I fully believe he can get us back on track next season.

Fair enough. Good points on how Kyle has adapted his offense. But what Kyle doesn’t is adapt DURING games. That’s more important to me than changing up how his offense looks year after year. That’s some regular season type ish

But I don’t believe in Kyle like others do because what Kyle has proven is that he is a choke artist every time gets in close game situations. And I don’t think that will change.

To put in perspective, if you switched the coaches during the Super Bowl in Feb and put Spags and Reid on the 49ers and if Kyle and Wilks coached KC, the Niners win that game. Easily.

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

People and especially the media keep saying Kyle’s quarterbacks are all “system quarterbacks” and this creates the illusion that Kyle is some sort of offensive genius or guru because his “system” turns average QB’s into winning quarterbacks.

But NOBODY in the media has the courage to call out Kyle and say that Shanahan is a “SYSTEM COACH” which in fact is a system he learned from his dad and Walsh.

Here’s why Kyle is a “system coach” and why it’s a great QB and a great receiver that makes Kyle’s system flourish and not the other way around:

Purdy has carried Kyle all year. Without Purdy the last two games, we have all seen how and why this is valid.

And secondly, a great coach makes adjustments DURING THE GAME so he can counter whatever adjustment his opponent made so that the coach can win the game and outsmart, outadjust, and out duel the opponent.

A system coach lets his system do the talking because the system is already in place therefore when everything is firing on all cylinders and clicking it looks flawless when great players and weapons are executing the “system.”

But when you have to step out of your scripted comfort zone, and average players are executing his plays and the system is running on some doo doo speakers instead of top of the line subwoofers, then it becomes difficult for the system coach to adapt on the fly and optimize the talents on the roster to devise an alternative game plan, and therefore the system could actually cause the coach to lose games because the coach is afraid to take risks and step out of his scripted comfort zone.

This is Kyle Shanahan, he a straight system coach.

 

[letsgetit22]

Belichick is 83-101 without Brady.

He’s 1-2 in the playoffs without Brady. You know who that 1 win is against? The Patriots.

I don't think they should hire BB at all. But his record without Brady is kind of an unfair critique. He had Drew Bledsoe as his starting qb before Brady and last leg Cam Newton and Mac Jones after...not to mention he went 11-5 in 2008 with Matt Cassel. But all it means is that, it's important to have a good qb. I don't even remember any sold backups they had other than Jimmy G and he won games with him when Brady went down. I believe Jimmy was undefeated. Yes Brady won a superpower without BB, but let's not act like the bucs didn't have crazy talent around him. His cleveland browns record shouldn't even count. He had Vinny Testaverde and a whole bunch of other no name qbs. He still had an 11-5 season there.
If Kyle had to coach a full season with Brandon Allen, this team would most likely be at the bottom of the league. That also wouldn't be a knock on Kyle's coaching abilities.

 

[DonRafa]

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

I’m trying to find footage of Kyle and any of his quarterbacks in the film room breaking down an upcoming opponent but I can’t find one because Kyle doesn’t work with his quarterbacks like that.

His playsheet is the best and should automatically work against any opponent as long as you follow it to the t. There should be no adjustments needed no matter who the 9ers are playing against lol

 

[22stylez]

I’m not tryna entertain this talk but you can’t come to the conclusion Kyle doesn’t work with his qbs because they don’t have a video made publicly. That’s just asinine.

 

[Fozz]

IMO, the Niners regress if Kyle is let go. Idk if there is anyone that could come in, revamp this roster, and be a SB contender in one offseason.

Starting to show that the Niners should've invested on their O-line. I know they added depth in the secondary through the draft, but I feel like that's going to take some time (like Lenoir)

Also think CMC is nowhere near 100%.

Changes are needed. They stink.

 

[dland24]

IMO, the Niners regress if Kyle is let go. Idk if there is anyone that could come in, revamp this roster, and be a SB contender in one offseason.

Starting to show that the Niners should've invested on their O-line. I know they added depth in the secondary through the draft, but I feel like that's going to take some time (like Lenoir)

Also think CMC is nowhere near 100%.

Changes are needed. They stink.

Starting to? I would argue we could easily have won 2 Superbowls in the past 2 years if our O Line was worth a damn. Last year for sure.

 

[Dark Brandon]

I wish they’d place emphasis on the OLine like they do the DLine

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

I’m not tryna entertain this talk but you can’t come to the conclusion Kyle doesn’t work with his qbs because they don’t have a video made publicly. That’s just asinine.

Finding film on Kyle working with his QB’s isn’t the point . I’m sure he does that.

My point is, Kyle doesn’t coach em up.

RG3
Jimmy
Trey
Brock

All four of em above played well with Kyle in the beginning. Then they all regressed the longer they played for Kyle.

Meanwhile the longer Belichick had Brady, the better Brady and Bill became.

Kyle doesn’t build a true partnership and strong relationship with his QB’s like great, HOF coaches do. We’ve seen it 8-10 years straight with Shanahan. And that’s just one of many reasons and examples why Kyle and his QB’s fall apart in the 2nd half of Super Bowls.

The TRUST isn’t there. You think Kyle fully trusts his quarterbacks? Dudes can’t even call audibles at the LOS

That’s the point

 

[req81]

IMO, the Niners regress if Kyle is let go. Idk if there is anyone that could come in, revamp this roster, and be a SB contender in one offseason.

49ers have regressed. They ran Wilks outta town had yall believing that he was actually the problem.

The team needs to move on from Shanny and Brock. Its not working. Send em both to the Giants or Panthers

 

[moe200069]

Finding film on Kyle working with his QB’s isn’t the point . I’m sure he does that.

My point is, Kyle doesn’t coach em up.

RG3
Jimmy
Trey
Brock

All four of em above played well with Kyle in the beginning. Then they all regressed.

Meanwhile the longer Belichick had Brady, the better Brady and Bill became.

That’s the point

Brosizzlew30.23 I feel you on your frustrations with Shanahan, but if we can't use the non-TB12 years against Belichick's record, then we can't use RG3, Jimmy and Trey against Shanahan.

Jimmy had clear limitations –no mobility, inaccurate downfield, limited pocket presence. It became glaringly clear as soon as he went to the raiders that Shanahan worked magic with Jimmy. Man was a disasterclass.

Trey should've never been drafted. That's not on Shanahan. This dude can't get on the field ahead of Cooper Rush and we're holding it against Shanahan that he couldn't turn a rock into a diamond?

RG3 was never the same after his legs were destroyed.

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

I wish they’d place emphasis on the OLine like they do the DLine

Had they done this, they would’ve drafted Penei Sewell in 2021 instead of Trey Lance.

Sewell at the time was regarded as a generational talent and by the looks of it now, Sewell will be a hall of famer.

Lynch and Kyle passed up a known generational talent for an unproven QB who ended up being a bust.

And if the Lions win it all this year, us 9er fans shouldn’t be scratching our heads wondering how they got one before we did.

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

Brosizzlew30.23 I feel you on your frustrations with Shanahan, but if we can't use the non-TB12 years against Belichick's record, then we can't use RG3, Jimmy and Trey against Shanahan.

Jimmy had clear limitations –no mobility, inaccurate downfield, limited pocket presence. It became glaringly clear as soon as he went to the raiders that Shanahan worked magic with Jimmy. Man was a disasterclass.

Trey should've never been drafted. That's not on Shanahan. This dude can't get on the field ahead of Cooper Rush and we're holding it against Shanahan that he couldn't turn a rock into a diamond?

RG3 was never the same after his legs were destroyed.

Again I’m not trying to nitpick how Kyle worked with each of those quarterbacks and their deficiencies. Yes, Kyle did the most with the talent he had. But it doesn’t erase the fact Kyle is a dictating type coach who wants all control. That’s a recipe for failure.

Gotta look at the overall body of Kyle’s inadequacies and 8-10 years of him being a consistent choker and three different QB’s failing to hold a lead in the 4th quarter at the biggest stage is more than enough of a sample size

 

[req81]

Kyle knows he will keep his job if he keeps mediocre QBs starting for him

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

Kyle knows he will keep his job if he keeps mediocre QBs starting for him

And maybe this is why Kyle never went after Brady because Kyle knows Brady is smarter than him and would be able to challenge him on stinking play sheet

Honestly Kyle will keep Brock from realizing his fullest potential.

You will see once the 49ers choose Purdy over Kyle and as long as the 9ers replace Kyle with a coach who actually knows how to build relationships with quarterbacks and knows how to coach up his players, we will see Purdy THRIVE, much to your chagrin lol

 

[moe200069]

brosizzle and req finally having something to agree upon:

 

[townbidness]

Fred playing on a fractured ankle

 

[DonRafa]

brosizzle and req finally having something to agree upon:

surprised req81 not too busy thinking about my glutes

 

[moe200069]

"nothing at all...nothing at all...nothing at all"

flanders don't skip leg day like our boy ozboi ... Top 2 calves on NT and he aint #2

 

[DonRafa]

 

[ozboi]

"nothing at all...nothing at all...nothing at all"

flanders don't skip leg day like our boy ozboi ... Top 2 calves on NT and he aint #2

I’m washed like our team is washed fam!