Proponents of Veganism/Vegetarianism: Why? vol. Plz explain

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  1. fantastic4our

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    Was doing some discussing on Twitter and researching online and wanted to know why those who have chosen these lifestyles have decided to do so.

    For the record I'm a flesh eater, if that matters.
     
  2. bombbiggidyphil

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    Besides those that do it for a false sense of nobility or to follow the trend ("I care, man." >D), most people do it because they don't want to support the unethical treatment and exploitation of animals. Couple that with the fact that meat is isn't necessary in a healthy diet (Why kill animals when it isn't necessary?) and there you go. Vegans take it a step further...
     
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  4. dcallamerican

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    Not to be rude, but go to google, and search the following words with Niketalk at the end

    Vegan
    Veganism
    Vegetarians

    There are a lot of threads for it
     
  5. patentboy23

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    I've recently been trying out the vegetarian life and it's tough if you don't have a set of go to meals, which I don't have yet. I chose to give up meat except indian food (chicken) and pizza (pepperoni) for the most part so I'm not fully dedicated to it yet and can't really see myself giving up those foods. I chose it after gaining knowledge about all the hormones and chemicals in meat. Burger king serving horse meat whoppers :x Also, read about some benefits: longer life expectancy, weight loss, energy vibration increase, etc. Been eating lots of salads, veg. burrito bowls, pasta, etc. I'd like to have some variety so need to start reading through the vegetarian cooking thread: http://niketalk.com/t/295592/vegetarian-cooking-thread-vol-let-that-boy-cook
     
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    i don't know that i believe it's necessarily healthier...

    i've read a few books about paleo diets and vegetarian diets etc, and not a single one can answer 'what did our ancestors eat during the ice age?' without bringing meat into the conversation. i think we evolved to eat meat, although not as much as we do, but our bodies process it well.

    as far as becoming a vegetarian, i tried it once, just to see if i could. i wasn't really a vegetarian in the sense that i ate a lot of vegetables, i was more a vegetarian in the sense that i didn't eat any meat. i did it for about 6 months but was using bread and pasta as my main go to instead of meat. i felt a lot less healthy.

    edit: also, i think focusing on healthier meats is a lot healthier than giving up meat altogether.
     
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    To put it simply, ethics. Once I educated myself on the moral, economical, environmental, and health implications of the use of animals in our diets and our products, I wouldn't have been able to look myself in the mirror if I hadn't become a vegan.
     
  10. fantastic4our

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    Thanks, I'll have to look into that.


    I was doing research online and found that the meat itself isn't unhealthy, but the kinds of meat. Lean, grass fed meats are not unhealthy at all, and are full of many of the vitamins (mainly B-12) that some have to take supplements to take and often don't get enough of without meat. But for every article praising the advantages of one diet, there is another one bringing up its disadvantages.



    The ethics part interests me because while I get it, I don't get it. I've seen documentaries about how the big companies create massive amounts of chicken, beef, what have you but big vegetable/grain producers create many of the same issues in the product/environment (chemical runoff, clearing the large spaces of land, transportation, etc.)
     
  11. bombbiggidyphil

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    >D Come now. Nobility...as in they're taking up a noble cause.

    Of course, the health benefits are taken into consideration. Is that the primary reason for the majority of vegetarians? I really don't know, I'm just speaking from experience. However, it wouldn't make sense for someone to become vegetarian and give up meat altogether (chicken, fish) if they weren't morally inclined. If you're looking to optimize your health, I would say pescetarianism is more beneficial than vegetarianism.
     
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    i dont care for labels but i have pretty much stopped eating meat. i've been a meat eater my whole life but have slowly gone off most meat and something consciously tells me i shouldnt be eating it. eating fruits and vegetables is what i love and dont need to eat dead animals. if i had unlimited access to tropical fruits i could thrive. the whole "where do you get your protein" is BS considering you get more than enough eating lots of fruits/vegetables. there are no nutrients you cannot get from a plant based diet. what are the ones that they claim vegetarians cant get? B12, which is made by humans and animals you're eating for it are eating grass. vitamin D as in D3 you get from the sun, plenty of meat eaters that are still B12 and D3 deficient.

    a lot of "vegetarians" amd "vegans" consume crap.  if you're vegetarian yet eat dairy and bread you are still eating garbage foods, a lot of vegans still consume the faux foods and soy products. most of the "health foods" that the health food industry market are not good either. theres people who claim to be vegetarian yet they eat fish. no, you're not vegetarian.

    doesnt matter if its grass fed free range organic whatever its still being raised to be slaughtered eventually.
     
     
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    Serious question...

    Do you vegans/vegitarians check for poor and unfair labor practices when it comes to the food that is picked/harvested for you?
     
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    There's nothing inherently healthier about being vegetarian or vegan, that's for sure.
     
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    took a look at that...and...seems like a shortsighted article. i've heard a lot of these arguments before...it doesn't seem to take in much more than our recent (+/- 200 years) dietary history. what about the other 200,000 years that humans have been on this earth?

    and...even if the article were true and that assumption that we are biologically built vegetarians, what did humans subsist on throughout the ice ages? we're talking 50,000+ years of no vegetation.

    we may be biologically built vegetarians, but we have evolved to subsist off of meat.

    btw...my teeth don't look like that, i have 4 pretty prominent canines.
     
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    Fellow NT vegetarian fambs, do you guys incorporate processed substitutes/soy products e.g. specifically veggie patties, "crumbles" (vegetarian form of ground beef/pork), cheeses ect in your diets? I was raised with soy beans, tofu, tofu gan as a staple alongside a bowl of rice on the dinner table and I've kept that in my diet since I crossed over to the plant based diet, but as a meat substitute it is a different dynamic. How prevalent are they in your diets?
     
  20. frostythepoptart

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    the only way life works is through reproduction and from organisms feeding off of one another.

    animals eat plants.

    plants eat animals.

    animals eat animals.

    throwing some stupid moral compass and valuing one 'life-form" over another is stupid. I respect if you want ethically treated animals, animals in free range, etc etc... but again life doesn't work without the living feeding off of the living.