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Penny is not that guy man
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Doubt Wes leaves that quick.
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Plus the new coach gotta have legit local ties, if you can’t get players from the Washington or Baltimore Catholic leagues you probly not a candidate for the UMD job this time around …Schools always go opposite with their next hires
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Memphis better win against Bama or Tenn, not a lot of resume wins left on their schedule. I guess they could always win their conf tournament to get in
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Might still be able to get away with the assistants having the local ties. Turgeon still was able to get pretty good local talent despite being from the Midwest, because of his assistants. He just couldn’t coach them well enough.
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Naw mane, the top dudes never had Maryland as an option , you know that …Turgeon def cleaned up on the 2nd/3rd tier in the state tho
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Like would you turn down Oats if he wanted to come for some reason? He doesn’t have any connections here, but I’d take him in an instant.
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Steve Forbes got Wake rolling
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Local ties for the Maryland and Georgetown are both very overrated. You can't win for trying.
WCAC/Takeover/Team Loaded - they all act like sending kids local is beneath them and the kids feel the same. They would crawl for a Duke or blueblood offer and none of them want to play in the B10.
And as soon as you give one of those local programs any sort of perceived slight - they will shut you off. DeMatha hasn't sent kids to either program in decades. Assault shut off Georgetown even with David Cox on staff in the mid 2000s. It cost Gary Williams his job. Takeover gets their rocks off sending kids elsewhere. They make you bend over backwards to play 'their' game when they haven't developed **** in a decade. The golden era when Beasley/KD/Jeff etc came out of there is over - even B'More hasn't put anyone out worth the squeeze. Earl Timberlake and bull**** like that is what you're supposed to be placate to? Nope. Hire the coach who can run a program and win games - I would not for a second give consideration to what local programs want you to do. Win first and they won't ignore you. You don't need to recruit locally in CBB to win anymore.
It's like the **** Hunter Dickinson talks about not getting recruited locally - it's bull****, he and others just have no interest in staying local.
WCAC/Takeover/Team Loaded - they all act like sending kids local is beneath them and the kids feel the same. They would crawl for a Duke or blueblood offer and none of them want to play in the B10.
And as soon as you give one of those local programs any sort of perceived slight - they will shut you off. DeMatha hasn't sent kids to either program in decades. Assault shut off Georgetown even with David Cox on staff in the mid 2000s. It cost Gary Williams his job. Takeover gets their rocks off sending kids elsewhere. They make you bend over backwards to play 'their' game when they haven't developed **** in a decade. The golden era when Beasley/KD/Jeff etc came out of there is over - even B'More hasn't put anyone out worth the squeeze. Earl Timberlake and bull**** like that is what you're supposed to be placate to? Nope. Hire the coach who can run a program and win games - I would not for a second give consideration to what local programs want you to do. Win first and they won't ignore you. You don't need to recruit locally in CBB to win anymore.
It's like the **** Hunter Dickinson talks about not getting recruited locally - it's bull****, he and others just have no interest in staying local.
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Caleb Love trying his hardest to get into the first round with all these NBA 3’s
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Love and RJ took a big leap from last year. If only Kerwin did too
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This gotta be the first time UNC 1-0 in the ACC in a minute lol
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Gophers 7-0 after beating Mississippi St today...
First big conference test Wednesday though, hosting Izzo and the Spartans.
First big conference test Wednesday though, hosting Izzo and the Spartans.
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Off the top of my head...
Georgetown: Freeman/Wright (Assault), Julian Vaughn (Assault), Jamorko Pickett (Premier), Antwan Walker (Loaded), Michael Hopkins (Takeover)...I feel like I'm missing a few
Maryland: Roddy Peters (DC Assault), Melo Trimble (Premiere), Ricky Lindo (Premier), Dion Wiley (Takeover), also feel like I'm forgetting a couple.
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Freeman/Wright signed before the Assault blacklisting though once Jeff signed with David Falk.
Outside of Trimble and Jalen Smith, not sure there's anyone I would say moved the needle in a positive direction for either program. Top guys will almost always want to leave, other guys are just guys.
Outside of Trimble and Jalen Smith, not sure there's anyone I would say moved the needle in a positive direction for either program. Top guys will almost always want to leave, other guys are just guys.
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Some truth here, but I think they also need to look into recruiting the IAC and MAC more there are some players that are severely overlooked
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Indeed, none of them really mattered but I'm just saying I don't think those lines are as frosty as they once were between all parties. Alot of the people involved from back in the day aren't even really in the picture anymore sans Stevens...and I can't say he'd deliberately steer a 5/4 star away from Georgetown or Maryland out of spite. He HAS sent kids to both schools. I don't think there was any frostiness with Mike Jones, G'Town/MD + Assault/Premier + Takeover either. Mark Turgeon came in off the break and had no problem pulling an Assault kid. As for why a Markelle Fultz would go across the country to play for a basement Pac-12 program, I think that answer gets deeper than Dematha or what summer program he played for. Same with the other post-golden era DMV blue chips.
Overall, I do agree that a hire shouldn't be made based solely on how a guy can "recruit locally" and his connections. One could make the argument we're watching that play out at Memphis.
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Maryland basketball coaching candidates: Kevin Willard, Nate Oats, Ed Cooley lead Brian Hamilton’s list
Maryland is in the market for someone to lead its men’s basketball program, suddenly and stunningly, turbocharging the carousel right from the start. An abrupt December departure for Mark Turgeon means months of clamoring for a position with about as many built-in advantages as a coach could want. The Terrapins have reached the Sweet 16 once in the last 18 seasons. They’ve missed the NCAA Tournament as many times as they’ve made it the last 10 years that event has been held. But this belies the place’s potential. The phrase sleeping giant was thrown about Friday by people across the sport, and though it’s a tired cliche, it’s also true.
Consider Maryland officials under enormous pressure, starting now. Because putting the right person in that chair could send a shudder through the landscape.
The decision to leave was Turgeon’s, a source told The Athletic’s Dana O’Neil. We know Maryland’s fan base has been exasperated with Turgeon for some time, and it wouldn’t be shocking if the feeling was mutual. But that sort of tension could spin into a positive here. A new coach will find a school and an audience desperate to be reenergized. A massive head start in identifying and vetting candidates only increases the burden to make a hire capable of drawing on that energy for an immediate, substantial impact.
Job evaluation
The best available gig of the 2022 men’s basketball coaching carousel may have opened before 2021 ended. That’s how highly regarded the Maryland job should be. When The Athletic recently surveyed more than 60 people connected to the sport and asked them to name their top five head coaching jobs, Maryland fell into the “also receiving votes” category … and that might be an oversight. “Top 15 for sure,” one administrator at another power league school said, after the news of Turgeon’s departure broke. It’s a pretty simple equation: There is so much talent in close proximity to College Park that a head coach almost doesn’t need to get on a plane to recruit a roster that’s consistently good for Sweet 16s and more.
If we add Delaware and Pennsylvania to the DMV, then 10 of the top 100 recruits in the Class of 2021, per 247 Sports, are more or less a stone’s throw from Maryland. It’s seven of the top 100 in the Class of 2022. And exactly one of those players — current freshman forward Julian Reese — signed with or is committed to the Terrapins. As any fan of the program will tell you through gnashing teeth, that’s kind of the problem.
It’s a basketball school. Passion is not a problem. (Though Turgeon might argue otherwise.) Membership in the Big Ten and sponsorship from Under Armour ensures the next coach will not want for resources. (Though the reported $8.5 million in men’s basketball expenses the school reported to the U.S. Department of Education in 2o19-20 does feel a touch low, given the sport’s elevated status there.) Maryland officials should not have to look hard for candidates who check a lot of boxes and provide a good mix of splash and substance. They’re probably lining up on the doorstep, one way or another, as you read this.
Call list
(in alphabetical order)
Ed Cooley, Providence head coach. Cooley is a 52-year-old East Coast coaching lifer who has won nearly 60 percent of his games with the Friars, including a promising 7-1 start this season. Program momentum may have slowed a bit after five straight NCAA Tournaments from 2014 t0 2018, but maybe this is the season it’s regenerated. Regardless, Cooley has done a lot with much less than he’d have to work with at Maryland. He’s a charismatic figure, too, who could make instant recruiting inroads in the area. (Talent could overcome concerns about Cooley’s offenses, which have not been elite over recent years.) He also backed away from the Michigan job in 2019 with a multi-year contract extension in hand; terms weren’t disclosed, so no telling how expensive it would be to pry him away — or if he’d even be convinced to leave.
Kim English, George Mason head coach. Undoubtedly, the 33-year-old Baltimore native would crawl across broken glass for the job. He’s also coached all of eight games from the head coach’s chair as of Turgeon’s departure. English’s pitch likely would revolve around Maryland looking past the relative inexperience and taking a big swing on a potentially generational hire, who has an NBA-like structure to his program and the local connections and recruiting acumen to maximize it. Probably no one would work harder in the position, given how much he’d have to live up to. The variable is the level of risk tolerance in the officials doing the hiring.
Sean Miller, former Arizona head coach. Sources say Miller was the No. 1 choice in the search that ended up with Turgeon leading the Terrapins more than a decade ago. Some, uh, things have happened since. Under normal circumstances, it’s as close to a layup as a big hire such as this gets: A coach who has won 73 percent of his games who actually would want the job. These are not normal circumstances, of course. The NCAA hasn’t ruled on its investigation into what happened at Arizona on Miller’s watch, and that’s a lot of uncertainty to abide. Would school officials do so anyway, knowing they’d get a coach who has won at a high level but also has something to prove? Only the people in the board room know.
Nate Oats, Alabama head coach. It says something about Oats’ fairly meteoric rise that he’s kind of a shoot-the-moon candidate for a massive job in 2021-22. This is just his seventh season as a Division I head coach, but winning the SEC, making the Sweet 16 and landing five-star recruit after five-star recruit certainly ups the profile. Maryland fans would adore Oats’ tempo offense (top-40 in every season as a head coach, and in the top 11 three times) and chances are Oats would get the players to run it very successfully. And he’d be at a basketball school, which currently he is not. But somebody would have to back up the Brinks truck. Oats’ recent contract extension through 2027 raised his salary to $3.2 million annually.
Bruce Pearl, Auburn head coach. Ah, Under Armour. Clother of athletes and influencer of hires. It’s not etched on a stone tablet anywhere that a shoe company gets its say when the time comes to name a new coach … but that’s pretty much what happens all the time, anyway. Pearl currently coaches at an Under Armour school. He’s won almost 72 percent of his games. He took the Tigers to the Final Four in 2019. Dropping him in to recruit the DMV and surrounding areas would be like dropping a toaster into the bathtub. Pearl is a bit of a coaching chameleon who will find a way to blend in, wherever he’s at, but Maryland does seem more like a fit for a Boston native with ample experience in Big Ten territory. At 61, maybe Pearl sees it as the best opportunity to win national titles before he’s done.
Mike Rhoades, VCU head coach. Between stints as an assistant and now as the Rams’ head coach, the 49-year-old Rhoades is in his 10th year working in the footprint Maryland wants to dominate. And here are VCU’s adjusted defensive efficiency rankings in the last four years, once the program emerged from a transition and Rhoades fully implemented his system: Seventh, 45th, 14th and, currently, third nationally, per KenPom.com. Would that system translate to the Big Ten level and rosters potentially stocked with top 100 recruits? Would Maryland fans wince at offensive efficiency numbers that aren’t anywhere near as elite as the defensive figures? Rhoades can coach and knows the area. Can that trump power-conference coaches looking to land the job?
Kevin Willard, Seton Hall head coach. Just 46 years old. New York native with some NBA experience (albeit from 1997 to 2001) and, for the most part, a basketball life spent on the eastern seaboard. But for a pandemic, Seton Hall would’ve reached five straight NCAA Tournaments from 2016 to 2020. He’s grown into the gig after some tenuous early seasons and, again, is succeeding with far less resources than he’d have at his disposal in College Park; a road win over Michigan on Nov. 16 was well-timed. And what’s that insignia on the Pirates’ team gear? Ah, yes. The Under Armour logo. Willard also has a former top 100 recruit from Baltimore (freshman guard Ryan Conway) on his current roster. There’s a lot that fits, even if some flashier names are in the mix.
The smart money is on…
Forecasting a coaching search is always a bit of guesswork, but usually a full season of results clarifies the picture. Good coaches solidify their standing or struggle and look for a way out, hot names emerge during the postseason, and so forth. Projecting a springtime head coach hire in the first week of December? Especially in what’s likely to be a crowded field of candidates? Here goes nothing: Due to his age, affordability, success at a place with lesser resources, Under Armour blessing and presumably a willingness to make the leap, Maryland coach Kevin Willard makes a lot of sense.
Maryland is in the market for someone to lead its men’s basketball program, suddenly and stunningly, turbocharging the carousel right from the start. An abrupt December departure for Mark Turgeon means months of clamoring for a position with about as many built-in advantages as a coach could want. The Terrapins have reached the Sweet 16 once in the last 18 seasons. They’ve missed the NCAA Tournament as many times as they’ve made it the last 10 years that event has been held. But this belies the place’s potential. The phrase sleeping giant was thrown about Friday by people across the sport, and though it’s a tired cliche, it’s also true.
Consider Maryland officials under enormous pressure, starting now. Because putting the right person in that chair could send a shudder through the landscape.
The decision to leave was Turgeon’s, a source told The Athletic’s Dana O’Neil. We know Maryland’s fan base has been exasperated with Turgeon for some time, and it wouldn’t be shocking if the feeling was mutual. But that sort of tension could spin into a positive here. A new coach will find a school and an audience desperate to be reenergized. A massive head start in identifying and vetting candidates only increases the burden to make a hire capable of drawing on that energy for an immediate, substantial impact.
Job evaluation
The best available gig of the 2022 men’s basketball coaching carousel may have opened before 2021 ended. That’s how highly regarded the Maryland job should be. When The Athletic recently surveyed more than 60 people connected to the sport and asked them to name their top five head coaching jobs, Maryland fell into the “also receiving votes” category … and that might be an oversight. “Top 15 for sure,” one administrator at another power league school said, after the news of Turgeon’s departure broke. It’s a pretty simple equation: There is so much talent in close proximity to College Park that a head coach almost doesn’t need to get on a plane to recruit a roster that’s consistently good for Sweet 16s and more.
If we add Delaware and Pennsylvania to the DMV, then 10 of the top 100 recruits in the Class of 2021, per 247 Sports, are more or less a stone’s throw from Maryland. It’s seven of the top 100 in the Class of 2022. And exactly one of those players — current freshman forward Julian Reese — signed with or is committed to the Terrapins. As any fan of the program will tell you through gnashing teeth, that’s kind of the problem.
It’s a basketball school. Passion is not a problem. (Though Turgeon might argue otherwise.) Membership in the Big Ten and sponsorship from Under Armour ensures the next coach will not want for resources. (Though the reported $8.5 million in men’s basketball expenses the school reported to the U.S. Department of Education in 2o19-20 does feel a touch low, given the sport’s elevated status there.) Maryland officials should not have to look hard for candidates who check a lot of boxes and provide a good mix of splash and substance. They’re probably lining up on the doorstep, one way or another, as you read this.
Call list
(in alphabetical order)
Ed Cooley, Providence head coach. Cooley is a 52-year-old East Coast coaching lifer who has won nearly 60 percent of his games with the Friars, including a promising 7-1 start this season. Program momentum may have slowed a bit after five straight NCAA Tournaments from 2014 t0 2018, but maybe this is the season it’s regenerated. Regardless, Cooley has done a lot with much less than he’d have to work with at Maryland. He’s a charismatic figure, too, who could make instant recruiting inroads in the area. (Talent could overcome concerns about Cooley’s offenses, which have not been elite over recent years.) He also backed away from the Michigan job in 2019 with a multi-year contract extension in hand; terms weren’t disclosed, so no telling how expensive it would be to pry him away — or if he’d even be convinced to leave.
Kim English, George Mason head coach. Undoubtedly, the 33-year-old Baltimore native would crawl across broken glass for the job. He’s also coached all of eight games from the head coach’s chair as of Turgeon’s departure. English’s pitch likely would revolve around Maryland looking past the relative inexperience and taking a big swing on a potentially generational hire, who has an NBA-like structure to his program and the local connections and recruiting acumen to maximize it. Probably no one would work harder in the position, given how much he’d have to live up to. The variable is the level of risk tolerance in the officials doing the hiring.
Sean Miller, former Arizona head coach. Sources say Miller was the No. 1 choice in the search that ended up with Turgeon leading the Terrapins more than a decade ago. Some, uh, things have happened since. Under normal circumstances, it’s as close to a layup as a big hire such as this gets: A coach who has won 73 percent of his games who actually would want the job. These are not normal circumstances, of course. The NCAA hasn’t ruled on its investigation into what happened at Arizona on Miller’s watch, and that’s a lot of uncertainty to abide. Would school officials do so anyway, knowing they’d get a coach who has won at a high level but also has something to prove? Only the people in the board room know.
Nate Oats, Alabama head coach. It says something about Oats’ fairly meteoric rise that he’s kind of a shoot-the-moon candidate for a massive job in 2021-22. This is just his seventh season as a Division I head coach, but winning the SEC, making the Sweet 16 and landing five-star recruit after five-star recruit certainly ups the profile. Maryland fans would adore Oats’ tempo offense (top-40 in every season as a head coach, and in the top 11 three times) and chances are Oats would get the players to run it very successfully. And he’d be at a basketball school, which currently he is not. But somebody would have to back up the Brinks truck. Oats’ recent contract extension through 2027 raised his salary to $3.2 million annually.
Bruce Pearl, Auburn head coach. Ah, Under Armour. Clother of athletes and influencer of hires. It’s not etched on a stone tablet anywhere that a shoe company gets its say when the time comes to name a new coach … but that’s pretty much what happens all the time, anyway. Pearl currently coaches at an Under Armour school. He’s won almost 72 percent of his games. He took the Tigers to the Final Four in 2019. Dropping him in to recruit the DMV and surrounding areas would be like dropping a toaster into the bathtub. Pearl is a bit of a coaching chameleon who will find a way to blend in, wherever he’s at, but Maryland does seem more like a fit for a Boston native with ample experience in Big Ten territory. At 61, maybe Pearl sees it as the best opportunity to win national titles before he’s done.
Mike Rhoades, VCU head coach. Between stints as an assistant and now as the Rams’ head coach, the 49-year-old Rhoades is in his 10th year working in the footprint Maryland wants to dominate. And here are VCU’s adjusted defensive efficiency rankings in the last four years, once the program emerged from a transition and Rhoades fully implemented his system: Seventh, 45th, 14th and, currently, third nationally, per KenPom.com. Would that system translate to the Big Ten level and rosters potentially stocked with top 100 recruits? Would Maryland fans wince at offensive efficiency numbers that aren’t anywhere near as elite as the defensive figures? Rhoades can coach and knows the area. Can that trump power-conference coaches looking to land the job?
Kevin Willard, Seton Hall head coach. Just 46 years old. New York native with some NBA experience (albeit from 1997 to 2001) and, for the most part, a basketball life spent on the eastern seaboard. But for a pandemic, Seton Hall would’ve reached five straight NCAA Tournaments from 2016 to 2020. He’s grown into the gig after some tenuous early seasons and, again, is succeeding with far less resources than he’d have at his disposal in College Park; a road win over Michigan on Nov. 16 was well-timed. And what’s that insignia on the Pirates’ team gear? Ah, yes. The Under Armour logo. Willard also has a former top 100 recruit from Baltimore (freshman guard Ryan Conway) on his current roster. There’s a lot that fits, even if some flashier names are in the mix.
The smart money is on…
Forecasting a coaching search is always a bit of guesswork, but usually a full season of results clarifies the picture. Good coaches solidify their standing or struggle and look for a way out, hot names emerge during the postseason, and so forth. Projecting a springtime head coach hire in the first week of December? Especially in what’s likely to be a crowded field of candidates? Here goes nothing: Due to his age, affordability, success at a place with lesser resources, Under Armour blessing and presumably a willingness to make the leap, Maryland coach Kevin Willard makes a lot of sense.
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