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[WASHED KING]

I'm starting to think we judging KD off what he's capable of and not what he's actually doing. When was the last time KD was at his beat? In GS right with 3 other hofers?

I have receipts of people in this very thread calling KD the best in the world in 2021.

 

[pmatic]

Kobe stopped trying on defense after like the mid-00s as his offense was more heavily leaned on and he got older.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

I have receipts of people in this very thread calling KD the best in the world in 2021.

I remember when Harden was traded to Brooklyn dudes in here said KD was a better GM than LeBron.

Just can't put KD over Steph.

Steph got 2 rings w/o KD. KD got one finals appearance w/o Steph and some embarrassing seasons.

 

[moderndarwin]

KD is an all time great basketball player. He’s not very good as a leader of men though and that matters a lot in a team game. Lesser players become greater when the lead dog inspires them.

Why Steph so clearly >>>>> KD

 

[pmatic]

 

[WASHED KING]

KD is an all time great basketball player. He’s not very good as a leader of men though and that matters a lot in a team game. Lesser players become greater when the lead dog inspires them.

Why Steph so clearly >>>>> KD

Draymond is the leader of GS though?

 

[addict4sneakers]

Do yourselves a favor and just scroll by anything Steph related posted by WASHED KING

He’s done time for his actions. Should have done more for his Jokic slander. He can’t be rehabilitated

 

[MVP]

Kobe played in the dead ball era of basketball and his prime spanned basically from 2000-2013 and put up 28/6/5 on 46/34/84 during that span. That's ridiculous, he's going to get underrated as time goes by because of this juiced era of basketball now. Got idiots comparing Harden and others to him.

 

[Arthur Shelby]

 

[WASHED KING]

Do yourselves a favor and just scroll by anything Steph related posted by WASHED KING

He’s done time for his actions. Should have done more for his Jokic slander. He can’t be rehabilitated

I haven’t told not one lie on Steph today.

The truth isn’t always pretty.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Think Kobe is in the 8-12 range, but his accomplishments on the surface level to warrant top five status.

Whether it was his death- seems like I see Kobe reels every other day since his passing- or not- when you absorb what he was able to do and compare it to what the game looks like today (not a dig. not a dig. not a dig. not a dig.)- idk but my stance definitely changed on him. His accolades, even aside from his "overrated" defense are pretty undeniable

Not really rose colored glasses either- just a matter of me kind of forgetting that era and what he was able to do on a nightly basis. Just weird cuz I feel like the late 90's up to 2012 was just yesterday

People here still sleep on his dunks too

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Also- just watched the Kyrie "highlights" at Drew. **** looks so got damb trash now. Probably has been for a while

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Kobe was a great on ball defender and great off ball help defender.

What he was atrocious as he got older was the non glorious parts of defense and he’d absolutely die on screens and not fight through them and once he cheated to try and make an off ball play he was so lazy to get back to his man.

I get it tho he’s like that old guy that feels he does enough out there that he doesn’t need to do that grind house work anymore.

Let's see what his coach Phil Jackson thought about his defense during that time.

“Kobe’s defense, to be accurate, has faltered in recent years, despite his presence on the league’s all-defensive team.
The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense.
"Mesmerized by the ball, he’s gambled too frequently, putting us out of position, forcing rotations that leave a man wide open, and doesn’t keep his feet on the ground.”


but who knows maybe Phil is just some Kobe hater.

the problem is the numbers also bear this out.
this is from 03 onwards aside from a few season his teams were generally better defensively when he was off the court.
and here his on off as compared with ron artest for example.

Kobe vs Ron artest

Kobe Bryant is the Derek Jeter of basketball when it comes to defense,
Frobe was a very good defender, but every other Kobe was just somewhere between solid to inconsistent to bad depending on his age / level of effort.

The Pau-kobe lakers were an elite defense because of their size, rebounding and rim protection, specifically the front court of Bynum, Odom, and Pau, + Ron Artest.
Kobe was a helpful part of it , but the idea that it was him driving their defense performance is crazy.

He wasn't better than Ron, or Bruce Bown, at that time, he wasn't terrorizing people like Kawhi.
it's just a total rewrite of history to pretend that he was.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Steph is over KD right now.
Steph has gotten it done, in adverse desperate situations, the last ring sealed it.

KD rings with the stacked golden state team are difficult to take serious and tell us relatively little about his greatness.

 

[freeze]

 

[osh kosh bosh]

The Kobe defense thing is particularly galling,
we we're all alive at the time.

it wasn't like he was Kawhi terrorizing people, or even like Jordan and Pippen just making it impossible to dribble on the perimiter.


people think you can just quote the all defenses teams and we all have to sit around and pretend we all weren't there.


nobody really thought Kobe post Frobe was just locking people down,

if you had a star perimeter scorer on your team.
when the lakers came to town you def didn't around quaking in your boots about Kobe clamping your guy,

no one thought he was as good as say a Ron Artest, or Bruce Bowen or even a Shane Battier.


back then like gold gloves we just gave all defense teams to famous players who played solid d.

 

[WASHED KING]

Steph is over KD right now.
Steph has gotten it done, in adverse desperate situations, the last ring sealed it.

KD rings with the stacked golden state team are difficult to take serious and tell us relatively little about his greatness.

Steph has not one time won anything in an adverse or desperate situation.

 

[B Sox]

First The Californians spewed their nonsense in the food thread. Now this one

 

[Arthur Shelby]

 

[MVP]

 

[storm2006]

Steph has not one time won anything in an adverse or desperate situation.

Golden State wasn't down 2-1 in the Finals, on the road in Boston and Steph didn't put up 43/10/4 while shooting 53% from the field (incl. 7-14 from 3) en route to a victory as well as wins in Game 5 and Game 6?

You can't say "not one time" for a scenario-based take like that and expect to be taken seriously just like you can't say "in no particular order after #1" and expect folks to think you are serious.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

If the general consensus (which I'm assuming) is that Wade>Tmac then it seems quite unlikely that PP has any case

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

Steph wears the number 30. Take away the 3 and what are you left with? Exactly

 

[rolaholic]

If the general consensus (which I'm assuming) is that Wade>Tmac then it seems quite unlikely that PP has any case

At their position, only MJ and Kobe can be put ahead of Wade.

It's hard to make an argument for PP even being top 10 at his.

The Heat in general have been living rent free in that man's head for over a decade though, he's had something to say damn near every month lately

 

[addict4sneakers]

Steph wears the number 30. Take away the 3 and what are you left with? Exactly

You’re clearly in off season mode. Gotta get you in the joke gym. I’ve seen better from you