The official ***TUPAC SHAKUR*** appreciation thread.

Yea, there’s a guy selling them on eBay for like 22 bucks. Not sure how many he has left. It’s pretty cool to hear the original unfinished mixdowns, though the retail is absolutely better in every way.

Honestly the only thing I’d change about the retail is leaving Watch Ya Mouth on there.
 
I’ve started a 30 year retrospect on Pac’s catalog. Just the albums released while he was alive or had total creative input (2Pacalypse - Killuminati). Here is part 1.

2Pac: A 30 year retrospect.

2Pacalypse Now (11/12/1991):

Relative to other musical genres, the debut album in hip-hop is something of an enigma. On the one hand, for those who create a masterpiece that becomes a genre-defining milestone, the creator is often forced to live up to that standard and anything following it is often harshly critiqued even if the newer work is a fine piece of art, that may or may not be better than its predecessor. On the other hand, if one has a more modest debut, either commercially or critically (or both), if they see more success on their follow-ups, they are often seen as “selling out” in order to gain sales. I say all this because the debut album in other genres isn’t treated like this, or if they are certainly not to the same degree.

Tupac’s debut album, 2Pacalypse Now released 11/12/1991, and though it was a modest debut both critically and commercially, it managed to avoid the trappings that often make the hip hop debut album enigmatic. Considering Tupac’s place in music history as a cultural icon, why didn’t he have the classic debut album that some of his peers, such Nas or Snoop did?

The primary answer to this question comes from both Tupac’s personal situation and the times. Although only two to three years separated Pac’s debut from classic debuts like Illmatic or Doggystyle, back then hip hop was developing and progressing at a very rapid rate. The time between even just 1991 to 1994 was an eternity in terms of sound, lyrical content, and the overall landscape that encompassed hip hop culture.

In 1991, political and socially conscious rap was in its prime - via Public Enemy, a peak Ice Cube, X Clan, Paris, and more. 2Pacalypse Now shared these traits, and contained many ideas based on Black Panther ideology of which Pac was raised upon. Tupac had appeared on Digital Underground’s “Same Song” earlier that year, and he delivered a memorable and energetic verse on the very fun light-hearted track.

However, Pac, despite his talent and potential, didn’t have the huge backing financially to get the best production possible to lay his vocals on. Interscope Records was new at the time and wasn’t yet the powerhouse label it is today, though it wouldn’t take long for it to get there with monumental releases in 1992-3 and onwards.

2Pacalypse was every bit as socially conscious as albums like Fear of A Black Planet and Death Certificate, but lacked the top notch production to match Pac’s talent. Even by 1991 standards, the production, while not bad, sounded dated on some of the tracks and it failed to produce a huge hit single, though Brenda’s Got A Baby did manage to reach #23 on the Billboard hot singles chart. But more importantly, the song immediately became noticeable as Pac was the first rapper to make a song that really focused on the struggles of women in impoverished communities. It also displayed his superb storytelling skills (and the video was every bit as compelling) and would become a trademark that set him apart from his peers: women positive songs in a genre that was often criticized for its heavy misogyny.

Prophecy and life imitating art:

As the release for Pac’s debut approached, he would experience a life changing moment that would possibly scar him forever, and set off a chain of events of controversy and life imitating art.

On 10/17/1991, with his album release about 3 weeks out, Pac was detained by two white Oakland police officers for J-walking. The situation escalated and he was beaten severely including being choked and stomped on his head. Songs like “Trapped” and the police brutality story “Violent” were no longer just news reports of the violence of system oppression toward the black community - they became PROPHECY for the man narrating them. This was to be a recurring theme in his music. His life would imitate his art - sparking criticism and scrutiny from authorities and mainstream media outlets, but at the same time displaying authenticity on a level never seen previously from a listening audience point of view.

2Pacalypse Now in 1991:

While Pac’s debut was a modest success both commercially (it would eventually reach platinum status in a few years) and critically, it was an extremely controversial release. So controversial that Vice President Dan Quayle called Tupac out by name when a state trooper was killed by a black driver supposedly while listening to the album. This album, along with albums from Ice Cube, Public Enemy, 2 Live Crew and others would put rap in the hot seat over the next few years. Did this controversy benefit Tupac commercially? They say controversy sells, and indeed, Pac’s next album would garner more critical and commercial claim than his debut. But we can’t attribute that to controversy alone. Pac’s talent and potential was already present on his debut. 1991 rating: 3.5/5

2Pacalypse Now today:

Despite not being the critically debut album like Illmatic or a commercial powerhouse like Doggystyle, the lyrics and content still resonate today. The Chronic changed the entire sound and landscape in late 92’ going forward, so socially charged and political lyrics began to decline in popularity in favor of reality rap, or what would would be called “gangsta rap”. This new sound would impact everyone in the hip hop game from coast to coast, and Pac was no exception. Still, with the BLM movement of today and social media showing more than ever just how many people of color are impacted first hand by systemic racism and oppression, 2Pacalypse Now remains relevant in 2026 even as I type these words, and an important part of Pac’s legacy - it was the foundation of who he was and stood for, even if it’s not his best album musically. 2026 rating: 4/5
 
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I’ve started a 30 year retrospect on Pac’s catalog. Just the albums released while he was alive or had total creative input (2Pacalypse - Killuminati). Here is part 1.

2Pac: A 30 year retrospect.

2Pacalypse Now (11/12/1991):

Relative to other musical genres, the debut album in hip-hop is something of an enigma. On the one hand, for those who create a masterpiece that becomes a genre-defining milestone, the creator is often forced to live up to that standard and anything following it is often harshly critiqued even if the newer work is a fine piece of art, that may or may not be better than its predecessor. On the other hand, if one has a more modest debut, either commercially or critically (or both), if they see more success on their follow-ups, they are often seen as “selling out” in order to gain sales. I say all this because the debut album in other genres isn’t treated like this, or if they are certainly not to the same degree.

Tupac’s debut album, 2Pacalypse Now released 11/12/1991, and though it was a modest debut both critically and commercially, it managed to avoid the trappings that often make the hip hop debut album enigmatic. Considering Tupac’s place in music history as a cultural icon, why didn’t he have the classic debut album that some of his peers, such Nas or Snoop did?

The primary answer to this question comes from both Tupac’s personal situation and the times. Although only two to three years separated Pac’s debut from classic debuts like Illmatic or Doggystyle, back then hip hop was developing and progressing at a very rapid rate. The time between even just 1991 to 1994 was an eternity in terms of sound, lyrical content, and the overall landscape that encompassed hip hop culture.

In 1991, political and socially conscious rap was in its prime - via Public Enemy, a peak Ice Cube, X Clan, Paris, and more. 2Pacalypse Now shared these traits, and contained many ideas based on Black Panther ideology of which Pac was raised upon. Tupac had appeared on Digital Underground’s “Same Song” earlier that year, and he delivered a memorable and energetic verse on the very fun light-hearted track.

However, Pac, despite his talent and potential, didn’t have the huge backing financially to get the best production possible to lay his vocals on. Interscope Records was new at the time and wasn’t yet the powerhouse label it is today, though it wouldn’t take long for it to get there with monumental releases in 1992-3 and onwards.

2Pacalypse was every bit as socially conscious as albums like Fear of A Black Planet and Death Certificate, but lacked the top notch production to match Pac’s talent. Even by 1991 standards, the production, while not bad, sounded dated on some of the tracks and it failed to produce a huge hit single, though Brenda’s Got A Baby did manage to reach #23 on the Billboard hot singles chart. But more importantly, the song immediately became noticeable as Pac was the first rapper to make a song that really focused on the struggles of women in impoverished communities. It also displayed his superb storytelling skills (and the video was every bit as compelling) and would become a trademark that set him apart from his peers: women positive songs in a genre that was often criticized for its heavy misogyny.

Prophecy and life imitating art:

As the release for Pac’s debut approached, he would experience a life changing moment that would possibly scar him forever, and set off a chain of events of controversy and life imitating art.

On 10/17/1991, with his album release about 3 weeks out, Pac was detained by two white Oakland police officers for J-walking. The situation escalated and he was beaten severely including being choked and stomped on his head. Songs like “Trapped” and the police brutality story “Violent” were no longer just news reports of the violence of system oppression toward the black community - they became PROPHECY for the man narrating them. This was to be a recurring theme in his music. His life would imitate his art - sparking criticism and scrutiny from authorities and mainstream media outlets, but at the same time displaying authenticity on a level never seen previously from a listening audience point of view.

2Pacalypse Now in 1991:

While Pac’s debut was a modest success both commercially (it would eventually reach platinum status in a few years) and critically, it was an extremely controversial release. So controversial that Vice President Dan Quayle called Tupac out by name when a state trooper was killed by a black driver supposedly while listening to the album. This album, along with albums from Ice Cube, Public Enemy, 2 Live Crew and others would put rap in the hot seat over the next few years. Did this controversy benefit Tupac commercially? They say controversy sells, and indeed, Pac’s next album would garner more critical and commercial claim than his debut. But we can’t attribute that to controversy alone. Pac’s talent and potential was already present on his debut. 1991 rating: 3.5/5

2Pacalypse Now today:

Despite not being the critically debut album like Illmatic or a commercial powerhouse like Doggystyle, the lyrics and content still resonate today. The Chronic changed the entire sound and landscape in late 92’ going forward, so socially charged and political lyrics began to decline in popularity in favor of reality rap, or what would would be called “gangsta rap”. This new sound would impact everyone in the hip hop game from coast to coast, and Pac was no exception. Still, with the BLM movement of today and social media showing more than ever just how many people of color are impacted first hand by systemic racism and oppression, 2Pacalypse Now remains relevant in 2026 even as I type these words, and an important part of Pac’s legacy - it was the foundation of who he was and stood for, even if it’s not his best album musically. 2026 rating: 4/5

So ahead of its time man! I really appreciate this post. My go to for years is old pac. Super relevant.

 
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