This man unnoticably will win the NL Cy Young

[aec23]

The NL Cy Young race is going to be incredibly competitive this year.

When theres guys this year like Billingsley, Cain, Lincecum, Gallardo, J. Johnson, C. Carpenter, Santana all are deserving so far. And guys like Cueto andHaren who've had hard luck year this year can be in the mix too. I can see some great, clutch pitching performances down the stretch run this year, thatmight ultimately decide the award.

 

[uter zorker]

Originally Posted by aec23

The NL Cy Young race is going to be incredibly competitive this year.

When theres guys this year like Billingsley, Cain, Lincecum, Gallardo, J. Johnson, C. Carpenter, Santana all are deserving so far. And guys like Cueto and Haren who've had hard luck year this year can be in the mix too. I can see some great, clutch pitching performances down the stretch run this year, that might ultimately decide the award.

Santana is NOT deserving at this point.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Originally Posted by 651akathePaul

Originally Posted by aec23

according to http://www.baseball-refer...com/awards/mvp_cya.shtml

johnson and schilling came 1,2 in 2001 and 2002.

this year cain and lincecum have a great shot to complete that feat, but voting will ultimately decide that.

on a side not, check out johnsons stikeout numbers in his cy young award years (1999-2002). absolutely ridiculous.

Interesting...Ya know, I wish I could've seen Koufax play because I'm curious as to how much better this guy was than RJ. Everyone who has compared the two and seen both play have said that Koufax > Randy. All I know is, I grew up watching Randy and he's amazingly dominant....Over a long period.

I've never seen him play, but by reading his biography, looking at his stats, and listening to people talk about him, Sandy Koufax is withouta doubt the greatest pitcher of all time.

[table][tr][td]1955[/td] [td]19[/td] [td]BRO[/td] [td]NL[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]2[/td] [td].500[/td] [td]3.02[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]41.2[/td] [td]33[/td] [td]15[/td] [td]14[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]28[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]183[/td] [td]135[/td] [td]1.464[/td] [td]7.1[/td] [td]0.4[/td] [td]6.0[/td] [td]6.5[/td] [td]1.07[/td] [td]
[/td] [/tr][tr][td]1956[/td] [td]20[/td] [td]BRO[/td] [td]NL[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]4[/td] [td].333[/td] [td]4.91[/td] [td]16[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]58.2[/td] [td]66[/td] [td]37[/td] [td]32[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]261[/td] [td]82[/td] [td]1.619[/td] [td]10.1[/td] [td]1.5[/td] [td]4.4[/td] [td]4.6[/td] [td]1.03[/td] [td]
[/td] [/tr][tr][td]1957[/td] [td]21[/td] [td]BRO[/td] [td]NL[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]4[/td] [td].556[/td] [td]3.88[/td] [td]34[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]104.1[/td] [td]83[/td] [td]49[/td] [td]45[/td] [td]14[/td] [td]51[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]122[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]444[/td] [td]107[/td] [td]1.284[/td] [td]7.2[/td] [td]1.2[/td] [td]4.4[/td] [td]10.5[/td] [td]2.39[/td] [td]
[/td] [/tr][tr][td]1958[/td] [td]22[/td] [td]LAD[/td] [td]NL[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]11[/td] [td].500[/td] [td]4.48[/td] [td]40[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]158.2[/td] [td]132[/td] [td]89[/td] [td]79[/td] [td]19[/td] [td]105[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]131[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]17[/td] [td]714[/td] [td]92[/td] [td]1.494[/td] [td]7.5[/td] [td]1.1[/td] [td]6.0[/td] [td]7.4[/td] [td]1.25[/td] [td]
[/td] [/tr][tr][td]1959[/td] [td]23[/td] [td]LAD[/td] [td]NL[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]6[/td] [td].571[/td] [td]4.05[/td] [td]35[/td] [td]23[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]153.1[/td] [td]136[/td] [td]74[/td] [td]69[/td] [td]23[/td] [td]92[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]173[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]679[/td] [td]104[/td] [td]1.487[/td] [td]8.0[/td] [td]1.4[/td] [td]5.4[/td] [td]10.2[/td] [td]1.88[/td] [td]
[/td] [/tr][tr][td]1960[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]LAD[/td] [td]NL[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]13[/td] [td].381[/td] [td]3.91[/td] [td]37[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]175.0[/td] [td]133[/td] [td]83[/td] [td]76[/td] [td]20[/td] [td]100[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]197[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]753[/td] [td]101[/td] [td]1.331[/td] [td]6.8[/td] [td]1.0[/td] [td]5.1[/td] [td]10.1[/td] [td]1.97[/td] [td]
[/td] [/tr][tr][td]1961[/td] [td]25[/td] [td]LAD[/td] [td]NL[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]13[/td] [td].581[/td] [td]3.52[/td] [td]42[/td] [td]35[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]15[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]255.2[/td] [td]212[/td] [td]117[/td] [td]100[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]96[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]269[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]1068[/td] [td]123[/td] [td]1.205[/td] [td]7.5[/td] [td]1.0[/td] [td]3.4[/td] [td]9.5[/td] [td]2.80[/td] [td]AS,MVP-18[/td] [/tr][tr][td]1962[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]LAD[/td] [td]NL[/td] [td]14[/td] [td]7[/td] [td].667[/td] [td]2.54[/td] [td]28[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]184.1[/td] [td]134[/td] [td]61[/td] [td]52[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]57[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]216[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]744[/td] [td]141[/td] [td]1.036[/td] [td]6.5[/td] [td]0.6[/td] [td]2.8[/td] [td]10.5[/td] [td]3.79[/td] [td]AS,MVP-24[/td] [/tr][tr][td]1963[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]LAD[/td] [td]NL[/td] [td]25[/td] [td]5[/td] [td].833[/td] [td]1.88[/td] [td]40[/td] [td]40[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]20[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]311.0[/td] [td]214[/td] [td]68[/td] [td]65[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]58[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]306[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]1210[/td] [td]159[/td] [td]0.875[/td] [td]6.2[/td] [td]0.5[/td] [td]1.7[/td] [td]8.9[/td] [td]5.28[/td] [td]AS,CYA-1,MVP-1[/td] [/tr][tr][td]1964[/td] [td]28[/td] [td]LAD[/td] [td]NL[/td] [td]19[/td] [td]5[/td] [td].792[/td] [td]1.74[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]28[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]15[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]223.0[/td] [td]154[/td] [td]49[/td] [td]43[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]53[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]223[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]870[/td] [td]187[/td] [td]0.928[/td] [td]6.2[/td] [td]0.5[/td] [td]2.1[/td] [td]9.0[/td] [td]4.21[/td] [td]AS,CYA-3,MVP-17[/td] [/tr][tr][td]1965[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]LAD[/td] [td]NL[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]8[/td] [td].765[/td] [td]2.04[/td] [td]43[/td] [td]41[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]335.2[/td] [td]216[/td] [td]90[/td] [td]76[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]71[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]382[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]1297[/td] [td]160[/td] [td]0.855[/td] [td]5.8[/td] [td]0.7[/td] [td]1.9[/td] [td]10.2[/td] [td]5.38[/td] [td]AS,CYA-1,MVP-2[/td] [/tr][tr][td]1966[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]LAD[/td] [td]NL[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]9[/td] [td].750[/td] [td]1.73[/td] [td]41[/td] [td]41[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]323.0[/td] [td]241[/td] [td]74[/td] [td]62[/td] [td]19[/td] [td]77[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]317[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]1274[/td] [td]190[/td] [td]0.985[/td] [td]6.7[/td] [td]0.5[/td] [td]2.1[/td] [td]8.8[/td] [td]4.12[/td] [td]AS,CYA-1,MVP-2[/td] [/tr][tr][td]12 Seasons[/td] [td]165[/td] [td]87[/td] [td].655[/td] [td]2.76[/td] [td]397[/td] [td]314[/td] [td]44[/td] [td]137[/td] [td]40[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]2324.1[/td] [td]1754[/td] [td]806[/td] [td]713[/td] [td]204[/td] [td]817[/td] [td]48[/td] [td]2396[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]87[/td] [td]9497[/td] [td]131[/td] [td]1.106[/td] [td]6.8[/td] [td]0.8[/td] [td]3.2[/td] [td]9.3[/td] [td]2.93[/td] [td]
[/td] [/tr][tr][td]162 Game Avg.[/td] [td]16[/td] [td]8[/td] [td].655[/td] [td]2.76[/td] [td]38[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]222[/td] [td]168[/td] [td]77[/td] [td]68[/td] [td]20[/td] [td]78[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]229[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]908[/td] [td]131[/td] [td]1.106[/td] [td]6.8[/td] [td]0.8[/td] [td]3.2[/td] [td]9.3[/td] [td]2.93[/td] [td]
[/td] [/tr][/table]
For somebody to only have 6 great seasons to be considered the greatest pitcher of all time says how great he was. Shame his arm pretty much fell off.

Santana is NOT deserving at this point.
He will be by September. He started off phenomenally, hit a little spell and is already rebounding. He'll probably have a typical Matt Cainyear though