-under 35 wealthy millenials ditching new york by the boatload

[JetsfanQ]

1 of my older aunts from harlem had visited seattle back in the late 80s she said that was a beautiful city ....was just talking to some white dude on basketball court from idaho who was living in seattle he pretty much said the same thing its a beautiful city...i wanna check that & portland out one day

 

[Brownstone]

have you visited Raleigh? its dead out there.
i'm sorry to anybody actually from there but please take what i'm saying in context. it would be a mistake for most ppl under retirement age to move from nyc to Raleigh with no fam or friends/base out there.
its boring, not a lot to do and, as with charlotte, everything promised to happen in the next few years will be decades off. charlotte is def better to live in from somebody from the NE by far.

at least with charlotte you can see the growth with the skyscrapers and all that that they're putting up but honestly speaking its

Walmart
gas stations
bars
places to work that don't hire (downtown aka uptown)
a light rail that doesn't go anywhere for most ppl
nice niche shops for ppl in well off neighborhoods
nothing for the working class/poor

if you aren't wealthy and white its not going to be for you.
they clearly don't want progression like that and clearly aren't investing into areas that aren't well off.

I said what I said. ask me whatever about charlotte. i'm going to be blunt and honest.

All about perspective, I am coming from a city (mpls) that has no diversity, and a higher cost of living than CLT. No social scene for minorities, and is freezing cold half the year.


To the bars and clubs, are there bars that you would recommend? At this stage I am looking for young professional women. With some nice music in the background. I will be living in Uptown.

 

[Brownstone]

State by State analysis is kinda useless. It misses the real trend, the massive flight of capital into cities. Most of the growth in Texas is in Dallas and Houston (two massive cities) and Austin (a tech hub anchored by a tax payer funded research university). Basically it is the same dynamic as in California or New York State.

Now I'm not saying that every policy in California is correct and every policy in Texas is bad. Texas is better than California in one important regard. Urban and suburban homeowners in Texas never became the political force as urban and suburban homeowners in California. The low home prices does help Texas' competitiveness.

Beyond that though, the Texas versus CA and NYC comparison and morality tale does not survive much scrutiny. Back in 2011, all sorts of conservatives and centrists said that California was a "failed State" (those pundits obviously failed political science) and Texas was "the future." well, about that, The Golden State had 25% of US GDP growth in 2018 (@ninjahood has been very persistent and helpful and pointing out the salutatory effects of GDP growth) despite having 12% of the population.

High housing prices suck (unless you're a long time home owner) and low wages suck (unless you own a business). It's almost as if all 50 States have an economic and political system that produces both.

I would agree that while the trend remains that folks are still moving from cities to other cities, however there appears to be a north to south movement as well.

Atlanta, The Texas Cities, Arizona (Old Folks), Charlotte, and Jacksonville are all experiencing growth in the double digits. I just hope political movement comes with it.

 

[Coromanti]

Just visited Charlotte, NC to see family. No bueno.

DFW, ATL Miami have my eye right now

 

[mister doitnice]

Born and raised on Flatbush ave and once I joined the military and was “forced” to travel and get outside the tristate bubble, I would never live in NYC. It’s always going to be home, family is still there, albeit moved to better areas, but with the right skill set and hunger you can thrive anywhere. It’s about choices. Like most posted if you’re HNW you are more than likely in tech or finance and the west (CA and WA) pay accordingly. There is little New York offers aside from that “NY vibe” that other states don’t.
I can get just a good a slice of pizza out west lol jk

As I get older and grow, I realized NYC is where you visit. It isn’t where you live. Especially if you’re short tempered like me...

I echo your sentiments. Grew up in Queens and all my family is still there. I left and joined the AF in late 08. I'm gonna be getting out at the end of the year and NYC is the last place I'm planning on living in again. It'll always be home but your money gets you so much more elsewhere.

 

[debso]

I get it but by your post we are in way different places in life. I go to Charlotte at least once a month for work and am quite familiar, my former boss lives in Meyers park. I’m middle aged basically with a kid. Music scene, graffiti, etc aren’t important to me. Good schools, job prospects and big homes are. Jobs in uptown are fairly easy for me to get, I’m well connected with all the banks given my profession (consulting).

That being said it do agree on a ATL being better. I’m just not as connected there, and this is the reason I haven’t left yet. If I can get ATL soon, I will, otherwise Charlotte or Raleigh.

I only mentioned that stuff because most ppl moving to a city want to do more than go to work...

You have a kid. Where are you going in the city for fun? Most in clt have to travel just to do stuff they should be able to do in the city they live in.

Most like going to concerts, being able to have basic amenities within the city they live in. Who wants to travel to another city to do all of that?

Outside of watching the Hornets or the Panthers (for now) what are you doing as a family within Charlotte that won't get old after a year or less? Serious question.

We are in different places. I actually live in Charlotte...theres a huge difference like anywhere between visiting and living. CIAA is gone. Now what?
I'm actually a graffiti writer so that's why I mentioned graffiti. Believe it or not graffiti is a good indicator for how progressive a city is. This city isnt really progressive. They're holding younger ppl back from making this city great in all fields that make a city worthwhile. Music, art, etc.

If you arent well off, dont come here. I'm in banking too and there are better options.

 

[debso]

I've watched Charlotte get gentrified and become more and more for the white and wealthy.
South end is a shell of what it was and it wasnt even that great to begin with but it had potential. Actual that would be inaccurate. South end was progressive but they took that and made it for the wealthy and bulldozed everything that made it popular in the first place.
Noda and central Ave are light compared to what they could be.
CIAA is gone.
Panthers may be leaving to South Carolina
One train line that doesnt go anywhere the working class live.
Bus system is def trash
Traffic is stupid because the city won't invest in heavy rail or more light rail
Concerts are few and far between because most artists avoid nc altogether or visit the college towns.
No zoo here
No real aquarium
Most travel 2-4 hours to a beach or the mountains or ATL for fun
downtown (uptown) can be walked in 15-20 min (for us nyers and ppl from other large walkable cities)
walmarts, gas stations and car dealerships make up a large part of things to do with bars rounding out the rest of it.

I'm not a kid. We are probably the same age. I would strongly caution anyone considering clt to really get out here and think about similar options but with better amenities.

Schools here are ok in well off areas but what are you getting here that you can't find more of for the same cost of living?

Job market in clt for most is below average. Wages are stagnant and not supporting the cost of living.

Grass isnt always greener. Be careful fellow nyers. Dont get stuck down here.

 

[Brownstone]

I only mentioned that stuff because most ppl moving to a city want to do more than go to work...

You have a kid. Where are you going in the city for fun? Most in clt have to travel just to do stuff they should be able to do in the city they live in.

Most like going to concerts, being able to have basic amenities within the city they live in. Who wants to travel to another city to do all of that?

Outside of watching the Hornets or the Panthers (for now) what are you doing as a family within Charlotte that won't get old after a year or less? Serious question.

We are in different places. I actually live in Charlotte...theres a huge difference like anywhere between visiting and living. CIAA is gone. Now what?
I'm actually a graffiti writer so that's why I mentioned graffiti. Believe it or not graffiti is a good indicator for how progressive a city is. This city isnt really progressive. They're holding younger ppl back from making this city great in all fields that make a city worthwhile. Music, art, etc.

If you arent well off, dont come here. I'm in banking too and there are better options.

Are you looking to get out? I am in banking as well. IE to another banking hub? Because aside from NY and SF maybe Boston jobs in banking are going to be less plentiful in other cities.

 

[debso]

Are you looking to get out? I am in banking as well. IE to another banking hub? Because aside from NY and SF maybe Boston jobs in banking are going to be less plentiful in other cities.

i want to go home but my s/o isn't trying to move back to the north. home isn't necessarily the answer either tbh.
like many americans we're trying to figure out the best moves going forward given the climate...

I like atl but she doesn't.
atl would be where I would settle for now but she's not trying to hear that.

the only thing atl lacked was a beach IMO. she sings so many I should sell her on the music scene, lol.
fwiw i'm not trying to down clt but just being honest from my experience. others may have a better experience. I really hope so. it has potential its just that its had potential for a long, long time. when will it be realized? all the negative signs are there with the gentrification, the affordable housing crisis...

links to back up what i'm saying:
https://www.governing.com/topics/urban/gov-charlotte-affordable-housing-lc.html
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article230433349.html
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/biz-columns-blogs/development/article226577234.html
https://www.wsoctv.com/news/9-investigates/charlotte-in-an-affordable-housing-crisis/697134809

gentrification:
https://www.wfae.org/post/finding-home-cherry-residents-struggle-effects-gentrification
https://patch.com/north-carolina/charlotte/gentrification-charlotte-see-areas-most-affected
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article159093699.html
https://www.charlotteagenda.com/979...borhoods-culture-clash-black-white-rich-poor/
https://www.wsoctv.com/news/9-inves...pressured-to-move-by-gentrification/748332494

 

[Sharpshoeter13]

Should I ditch MA for NE, papi?

 

[Bad Moon Rison]

Should I ditch MA for NE, papi?

 

[Arthur Shelby]

 

[frshstunna]

I've watched Charlotte get gentrified and become more and more for the white and wealthy.
South end is a shell of what it was and it wasnt even that great to begin with but it had potential. Actual that would be inaccurate. South end was progressive but they took that and made it for the wealthy and bulldozed everything that made it popular in the first place.
Noda and central Ave are light compared to what they could be.
CIAA is gone.
Panthers may be leaving to South Carolina
One train line that doesnt go anywhere the working class live.
Bus system is def trash
Traffic is stupid because the city won't invest in heavy rail or more light rail
Concerts are few and far between because most artists avoid nc altogether or visit the college towns.
No zoo here
No real aquarium
Most travel 2-4 hours to a beach or the mountains or ATL for fun
downtown (uptown) can be walked in 15-20 min (for us nyers and ppl from other large walkable cities)
walmarts, gas stations and car dealerships make up a large part of things to do with bars rounding out the rest of it.

I'm not a kid. We are probably the same age. I would strongly caution anyone considering clt to really get out here and think about similar options but with better amenities.

Schools here are ok in well off areas but what are you getting here that you can't find more of for the same cost of living?

Job market in clt for most is below average. Wages are stagnant and not supporting the cost of living.

Grass isnt always greener. Be careful fellow nyers. Dont get stuck down here.

Charlotte is basically a smaller version of 2009 ATL...Alotta the stuff that you dont like or think is trash is the exact same down here , it sounds like the southeast just might not be for you wo

 

[Brownstone]

i want to go home but my s/o isn't trying to move back to the north. home isn't necessarily the answer either tbh.
like many americans we're trying to figure out the best moves going forward given the climate...

I like atl but she doesn't.
atl would be where I would settle for now but she's not trying to hear that.

the only thing atl lacked was a beach IMO. she sings so many I should sell her on the music scene, lol.
fwiw i'm not trying to down clt but just being honest from my experience. others may have a better experience. I really hope so. it has potential its just that its had potential for a long, long time. when will it be realized? all the negative signs are there with the gentrification, the affordable housing crisis...

links to back up what i'm saying:
https://www.governing.com/topics/urban/gov-charlotte-affordable-housing-lc.html
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article230433349.html
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/biz-columns-blogs/development/article226577234.html
https://www.wsoctv.com/news/9-investigates/charlotte-in-an-affordable-housing-crisis/697134809

gentrification:
https://www.wfae.org/post/finding-home-cherry-residents-struggle-effects-gentrification
https://patch.com/north-carolina/charlotte/gentrification-charlotte-see-areas-most-affected
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article159093699.html
https://www.charlotteagenda.com/979...borhoods-culture-clash-black-white-rich-poor/
https://www.wsoctv.com/news/9-inves...pressured-to-move-by-gentrification/748332494

Every city in the country worth living in has affordable housing issues though....

 

[Coromanti]

Charlotte is basically a smaller version of 2009 ATL...Alotta the stuff that you dont like or think is trash is the exact same down here , it sounds like the southeast just might not be for you wo

What you mean?

I thought ATL always had things to do and had a decent public transportation system

 

[blastercombo]

DC is now almost unlivable unless your family bought a home 50-60 years ago. “Apartments”, if you can even call them that, are at 15-1700 monthly. They’re crawl spaces

 

[debso]

What you mean?

I thought ATL always had things to do and had a decent public transportation system.

it does which is one of the main reasons clt and atl aren't similar at all.

no one in this thread can tell me that marta is as bad as cats.

one light rail line. ONE. it literally doesn't go through any residential areas and doesn't touch actual working class areas. those that would need it, i.e. ppl without cars, i.e. the working class don't use it like that. its pretty much a novelty.

how many ppl rode the trolly down in charlotte when they decided to build yet another novelty thing only wealthy white ppl would ride once or twice? where did you go? right.

the bus system is terrible. I'm not even wasting energy into talking about the bus system in charlotte.

Every city in the country worth living in has affordable housing issues though....

true but i'm specifically talking about charlotte and what its lacking. you can go down the block to atl and get more out of the city and the cost of living is pretty similar.

charlotte's problems aren't only the housing crisis. I want to make that clear. the housing crisis/cost of living is one of many issues IMO.

Charlotte is basically a smaller version of 2009 ATL...Alotta the stuff that you dont like or think is trash is the exact same down here , it sounds like the southeast just might not be for you wo

na. I've been in atl like I live there. two different animals completely. the only ppl that think clt and atl are the same or similar are ppl in clt (that seem to be wishing or wanting) tbh.

atl has more amenities and better mass transit for sure.

bottom line, if you're coming from nyc you need to think twice and think twice after that before moving down here and getting stuck.

 

[Raji Lowenthal]

NYC is like the Knicks The Garden is the Mecca of basketball but the Knicks ain't eem competitive in 20 years. Just Over priced hype at this point, I already bounced. Still got a few family members waiting to cash out tho..

 

[frshstunna]

What you mean?

I thought ATL always had things to do and had a decent public transportation system

Things to do yea, public transportation HELL NO....if you dont have a car or dont wanna sit in traffic at all times dont come to ATL ...the ppl down here actively vote against any type of transportation expansions ...Only 2 train lines thats only good for going to the airport and buses that you barely see

Comparing Charlotte and ATL public transportation is like arguing over a D- or an F, you gon fail regardless

 

[jape]

Houston > Dallas

 

[Master Zik]

Good, let them go gentrify Wisconsin or something.

 

[Coromanti]

Houston > Dallas

'Splain

 

[Chopper]

Mass transit is the last thing I think of when discussing ATL. Marta is a joke, let’s be honest.

Charlotte is whack though, for real. Uptown is straight dead on the weekends.

I like cities where the downtown stays poppin.

 

[blastercombo]

Houston > Dallas

Plano if we’re talking about family life>

 

[frshstunna]

Mass transit is the last thing I think of when discussing ATL. Marta is a joke, let’s be honest.

Charlotte is whack though, for real. Uptown is straight dead on the weekends.

I like cities where the downtown stays poppin.

Funny thing is Downtown ATL ain’t that poppin but it’s so much stuff going on around the city that it don’t even matter n nobody cares