You frontin' if you say this ain't Ye's best joint with the words...

I agree wit' OP.

But his best verse is so arguable and opinionated. There is no definitive answer to that.
 
Y'all don't want no prob from me
What you rappers could get is a job from me
Maybe you could be my intern, and in turn
I'll show you how I cook up summer, in the win-turr
Aaron love the raw dog, when will he learn
Caught somethin on the Usher tour he had to "Let it Burn"
Plus he already got three chil'run
Arguin over babysitters like, "@%$%! - it's yo' turn!"
Damn 'Ye, it'd be stupid to ditch you
Even your superficial raps is super official
R-R-R-Roc Pastelle with Gucci on
With TV's in the ride, throw a movie on
Said he couldn't rap now he at the top with doobie long
Cause the dookie's on any song that they threw me on, gone

absolutely bodied
 
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Originally Posted by Cole World 22

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1) Why would anybody want to hear Kanye West vocals over this beat after what Jay-Z did to it?

2) If this is "Ye's best joint with the words," then I rest my case that he's a wack rapper.

3) How can y'all not get annoyed with the "EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER. EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER?" ?????


Y'all honestly don't hear the struggle in his flow? Like... this $%#++ sounds smooth to y'all when he's rapping? The %$*% sounds wayyy too forced.
DATS DA HOOK RIGHT DERE (x3) GIRL I BEAT THAT ({}) UP THATS THE HOOK RIGHT DERE - J. COLE



WHO DAT, WHO DAT, ***** I GOT DAT FLAME (x3)

SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT MY ************* NAME! - J. COLE

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Is this with whom you've placed your faith? 

You a bad girl, and your friends bad too!
Ooh!
You got the swag sauce, you drippin' swag-goo!



You a bad girl, and your friends bad too!
Ooh!
You got the swag sauce, you drippin' swag-goo!



You a bad girl, and your friends bad too!
Ooh!
You got the swag sauce, you drippin' swag-goo!



You a bad girl, and your friends bad too!
Ooh!
You got the swag sauce, you drippin' swag-goo!




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Originally Posted by Cole World 22

Originally Posted by sillyputty

Originally Posted by Cole World 22

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1) Why would anybody want to hear Kanye West vocals over this beat after what Jay-Z did to it?

2) If this is "Ye's best joint with the words," then I rest my case that he's a wack rapper.

3) How can y'all not get annoyed with the "EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER. EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER?" ?????


Y'all honestly don't hear the struggle in his flow? Like... this $%#++ sounds smooth to y'all when he's rapping? The %$*% sounds wayyy too forced.
DATS DA HOOK RIGHT DERE (x3) GIRL I BEAT THAT ({}) UP THATS THE HOOK RIGHT DERE - J. COLE



WHO DAT, WHO DAT, ***** I GOT DAT FLAME (x3)

SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT MY ************* NAME! - J. COLE

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Is this with whom you've placed your faith? 

You a bad girl, and your friends bad too!
Ooh!
You got the swag sauce, you drippin' swag-goo!
Kanye made the beat for beyonce and ad-libbed like 4 lines. It technically wasn't even a feature. It was just an addition to a song.



J Cole on the other side had his BOTH OF HIS ENTIRE SONGS FOR SINGLES around those wack choruses




Swagu = Ragu = Pasta Sauce...




Meanwhile J Cole is finding another way to rhyme Sallie Mae with the fact he can't be "out-farted" 
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EDIT: 




MAYONNAISE COLORED BENZ, I PUSH MIRACLE WHIPS  >>> ___________




FIRST TIME HEARING THAT WAS LIKE ... 
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get his +$@ sillyputty

3 verses I like better off top:
two words, gone, last call
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"I could let these dreamkillers kill my self-esteem or use my arrogance as a steam to power my dreams" 
too many quotables
 
That 2nd verse > __________. One of my favorite verses of all time.
I agree 100% OP.
 
Originally Posted by sillyputty

Originally Posted by Cole World 22

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1) Why would anybody want to hear Kanye West vocals over this beat after what Jay-Z did to it?

2) If this is "Ye's best joint with the words," then I rest my case that he's a wack rapper.

3) How can y'all not get annoyed with the "EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER. EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER?" ?????


Y'all honestly don't hear the struggle in his flow? Like... this $%#++ sounds smooth to y'all when he's rapping? The %$*% sounds wayyy too forced.
DATS DA HOOK RIGHT DERE (x3) GIRL I BEAT THAT ({}) UP THATS THE HOOK RIGHT DERE - J. COLE



WHO DAT, WHO DAT, ***** I GOT DAT FLAME (x3)

SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT MY ************* NAME! - J. COLE

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Is this with whom you've placed your faith? 


  
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That first J.Cole song was the 1st thing that popped in my head
 
Originally Posted by wheredeydothatat

Y'all don't want no prob from me
What you rappers could get is a job from me
Maybe you could be my intern, and in turn
I'll show you how I cook up summer, in the win-turr
Aaron love the raw dog, when will he learn
Caught somethin on the Usher tour he had to "Let it Burn"
Plus he already got three chil'run
Arguin over babysitters like, "@%$%! - it's yo' turn!"
Damn 'Ye, it'd be stupid to ditch you
Even your superficial raps is super official
R-R-R-Roc Pastelle with Gucci on
With TV's in the ride, throw a movie on
Said he couldn't rap now he at the top with doobie long
Cause the dookie's on any song that they threw me on, gone

absolutely bodied

Before, model chicks was bendin over or
Dealerships asked me Benz or Rover, man
If I could just get one beat on Hova
We could get up off this cheap-@+# sofa
What the summer of the Chi got to offer an 18-year-old
Sell drugs or get a job, you gotta play gyro
My dawg worked at Taco Bell, hooked us up plural
Fired a week later the manager count the churros
Sometimes I can't believe it when I look up in the mirrow
How we out in Europe, spendin Euros
They claim you never know what you got 'til it's GONE
I know I got it, I don't know what y'all on
I'ma open up a store for aspiring MC's
Won't sell 'em no dream, but the inspiration is free
But if they ever flip sides like Anakin
You'll sell everything includin the mannequin
They got a new !+!@# now you Jennifer Aniston
Hold on I'll handle it, don't start panickin, stay calm
Shorty's at the door cause they need more
Inspiration for they life, they souls, and they songs
They said sorry Mr. West is gone! 
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Originally Posted by wheredeydothatat

Y'all don't want no prob from me
What you rappers could get is a job from me
Maybe you could be my intern, and in turn
I'll show you how I cook up summer, in the win-turr
Aaron love the raw dog, when will he learn
Caught somethin on the Usher tour he had to "Let it Burn"
Plus he already got three chil'run
Arguin over babysitters like, "@%$%! - it's yo' turn!"
Damn 'Ye, it'd be stupid to ditch you
Even your superficial raps is super official
R-R-R-Roc Pastelle with Gucci on
With TV's in the ride, throw a movie on
Said he couldn't rap now he at the top with doobie long
Cause the dookie's on any song that they threw me on, gone

absolutely bodied

lol right song wrong verse.  and yea his second verse on diamonds is definitely up there
 
Lupe's version is dope too


Cecil Rhodes sold war and genocide
Into the countryside just to get his shine on
I fear what De Beers and his peers use to do
Before the world really knew, just to get their mine on
Making paper with slave labor
And hitting little kids with life time bids making them cut and shine stones
Inflating the price and making them look nice
And I wasn't thinking twice when I was putting mine on
About a young shorty in Sierra Leone
Or other conflict countries that people call home
I figured I would never go to Angola
So it never did affect me there, maybe indirectly
That my neck leash was funding a rebellion or a military coup
Started by militias that don't believe in following none of Geneva's rules
I was brushing off the haters, trying to be cool
Didn't have a clue that the rapper was helping the rapers
Raiders of the villagers, pillagers of the schools
Shooters of the innocent, torturers of the witnesses
Burners of the businesses and my bracelet was the fuel
Uhh, I ain't pushing an agenda homie
I'm just pushing the facts, f__ Bush


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Originally Posted by Cole World 22

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1) Why would anybody want to hear Kanye West vocals over this beat after what Jay-Z did to it?

2) If this is "Ye's best joint with the words," then I rest my case that he's a wack rapper.

3) How can y'all not get annoyed with the "EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER. EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER? EVER, EVER?" ?????


Y'all honestly don't hear the struggle in his flow? Like... this $%#++ sounds smooth to y'all when he's rapping? The %$*% sounds wayyy too forced.
It was a play or "shout out" to Andre 3K but then again I bet you think Gay Cole is better than that guy too huh?
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Anyway, I was going to come in here and agree with OP but then you ain't even post up the RIGHT version.  Lyrically, the Diamonds Remix with Jay is where Ye KILLED it!

Good Morning, this ain't Vietnam still
People lose hands, legs, arms for real
Little was known of Sierra Leone
And how it connect to the diamonds we own
When I speak of Diamonds in this song
I ain't talkin bout the ones that be glowin
I'm talkin bout Rocafella, my home, my chain
These ain't conflict diamonds, is they Jacob? don't lie to me mayne
See, a part of me sayin' keep shinin',
How? when I know of the blood diamonds
Though it's thousands of miles away
Sierra Leone connect to what we go through today
Over here, it's a drug trade, we die from drugs
Over there, they die from what we buy from drugs
The diamonds, the chains, the bracelets, the charmses
I thought my Jesus Piece was so harmless
'Til I seen a picture of a shorty armless
And here's the conflict
It's in a black person's soul to rock that gold
Spend ya whole life tryna get that ice
On a polo rugby it look so nice
How could somethin' so wrong make me feel so right, right?
'Fore I beat myself up like Ike
You could still throw ya Rocafella diamond tonight, 'cause

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OneTrust, yes I think Cole is better then 3k.

And yes, Kanye on the remix is way dumpin' ln the original. It could be his best verse ever. It's definitely one of his five or six only good verses.


And dude that said "Who Dat" was "J. Cole's first song," grow a brain.

I wish we could all go back in Time || and play "The Bounce," and take notes on this character. I would love to see what all you guys would have to say about his rapping skills before he told you that dropping out of college is > MJ's fadeaway as far as maneuvers go.
 
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