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You dont get it...your basically giving people a pass for commiting crimes
So Is T.I. Still Going To Jail?
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DOYUNG9, you must be slow or something. The right money, the right situation, the right things can happen for you.
Not all the time, but alot of the time. I was using Ray as the simplest example: of a non fictional similar situation: movie everyone saw,
a company everyone knows, and a practice that goes on alot. I can write a book to explain it to you, but a wise man said don't argue wit
fools, so ima leave it there.
Not all the time, but alot of the time. I was using Ray as the simplest example: of a non fictional similar situation: movie everyone saw,
a company everyone knows, and a practice that goes on alot. I can write a book to explain it to you, but a wise man said don't argue wit
fools, so ima leave it there.
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So where these cats at? When were they arrested? Only rapper I heard who got caught sellin' was Baby D. Feds don't give a damn about no Baby D. They want cats like TI. High profile cats they can put behind bars and make an example out of. The only cats TIP could've snitched on was some kingpins in the vein of BMF. Ya'll gotta think for a minute here. And feds don't sit back and watch cats pollute the streets with white and heroine.
And naw TIP ain't no danger to society. Not in my eyes anyway. In yours I guess a 5'5 cat 120 soak and wet with a automatic who lives in the studio and is an actor is a danger to society. I'm amazed he even has the time to murder or rob people. Seems like he'd be busy on tour, makin' albums, startin' up a clothing line and takin' care of his family.
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So you check the newspaper every single day and know for a fact every person whose been arrested and who hasn't? As well, you probably have a direct connect inside the ATF/DEA that is letting you know what on going investigations are being conducted right now as well. Of course you do.
*!!? Are you talking about? I didn't say none of the above. Fact is, if TI could snitch on someone it would be a big time cat. Like the BMFcats. The highest dudes on the totem pole. So yea we'd hear about it just like heard about BMF gettin' locked up. Vick was the highest guy on the totempole. Cats snitched on him that's why he got his 2 years. Feds don't play around with cats. When they come they comin' to give time. They want thehighest guy on the totem pole and with TIP's celebrity the only guys higher than him are guys who sell illegal weaponary or who are drug lords. Andyou're misunderstanding me. I never said TIP snitched or didn't snitch. I'm saying we don't know. You don't have no facts to back up anyclaims of him snitchin' so stop it. You're basing your opinions on assumptions. On what you think went down.
And I might %!#% it up for Obama? You're exactly the ignorant kind of idiot who makes Obama look BAD. With your ignorant opinions and naivety oozing out of your damn ears. Please, PLEASE, find me an article where someone received probation for MURDERING someone. Not vehicular manslaughter, not being acquitted on a murder case because of lack of evidence, but FOUND GUILTY, and SENTENCED TO PROBATION. PLEASE, I BEG YOU TO FIND THAT.
You non-reading bastard. Why don't you go sit your @@% down somewhere and go play. I was talkin' to Yungmatt but since you didn'tcatch that I guess you too should go and vote indepedent. And I read them in the Dallas Morning News since its where I stay at. I'll find them later butuntil then i'll leave you with this....
Dallas County DA re-examines murder probation
Action follows report Dallas County led Texas in plea deals that let killers walk free
11:48 PM CST on Friday, November 30, 2007
By REESE DUNKLIN / The Dallas Morning News
rdunklin@dallasnews.com
The Dallas County district attorney's office has decided to review dozens of plea bargains in which prosecutors agreed to release killers on probation.
Interactive story
Unequal Justice: Dallas County leads the state in killers allowed to walk the streets.
The move follows a Dallas Morning News investigation last month that showed Dallas County led Texas - the nation's death penalty capital - in granting probation as a punishment for murder from 2000 through 2006.
Nine percent of all Dallas County murder sentences resulted in probation, meaning at least 47 killers were set free. That was twice the number that the county sent to death row during the same time.
And it was more than double the rate of Harris County, which had the state's second-highest number of probation-for-murder cases.
District Attorney Craig Watkins and his top assistant, Terri Moore, said two veteran prosecutors will re-examine the probation-for-murder plea deals, many of which were made despite strong evidence against the killer.
"I don't want to be so arrogant," Ms. Moore said, "that I've got a closed mind and say, 'Well, whatever we decided, it must have been right.' If somebody calls something into question, then let's stop and review it, and make sure we're taking the proper course."
The review is expected to begin in January, and prosecutors will then make recommendations to the district attorney and his aides.
Mr. Watkins said he isn't sure what might result from the review. But two types of cases identified by The News caught his attention.
First were killers who were "clearly guilty," he said, but got probation because of their age, health or gender. Prosecutors made deals either because they feared juries might find the killers sympathetic and go easy on them or because they didn't want to see them imprisoned.
"To rectify that," Mr. Watkins said, his office will check for any rules that were violated that could provide grounds to seek revocation of the killers' probations.
There were also a smaller number of cases in which prosecutors pursued murder charges despite strong self-defense arguments or tenuous evidence. Some defendants told The News that they accepted plea bargains because they were afraid of being convicted and viewed probation as a "get out of jail" card.
Mr. Watkins said his office could request early releases for such defendants, whose probation typically runs 10 years. Doing so - under the type of probation they were given, known as deferred adjudication - would mean the murder convictions wouldn't appear on their criminal records.
Some cases also could be sent to the conviction integrity unit for further review, officials said. That is the unit Mr. Watkins created after taking office this year to investigate whether DNA evidence could exonerate some inmates. Mr. Watkins has made credibility and public confidence key themes of his administration.
"A lot of folks just look at that unit as dealing with DNA [exonerations]," he said. "But it deals with all these convictions that we should have gotten or that we shouldn't have gotten. We have to go back and fix that."
Dallas County leads the nation in the number of convictions overturned on DNA reviews.
Robert Schuwerk, who helped write the rules that govern Texas lawyers, said Mr. Watkins' decision is a "very encouraging sign and consistent with the district attorney's ethical responsibility to undertake this kind of review."
Mr. Schuwerk was one of a half-dozen legal experts from around the country who reviewed cases The News identified. All questioned the reliance on probation-for-murder deals, saying they endangered public safety and risked punishing innocent people.
"You really need to make an effort to find out why these things happened and not just whether it was just or unjust," said Mr. Schuwerk, who teaches legal ethics at the University of Houston Law Center, "and then to evaluate whatever systems are in place in the office now to see whether or not any defects that the DA notices can be prevented in future cases."
News of the review encouraged the defense attorney for a 17-year-old who said she killed her ex-boyfriend in self-defense.
The 34-year-old ex-boyfriend, who had an extensive criminal record, attacked Jacqueline Fox in 2000, hitting her repeatedly with a 2-by-4 so forcefully that it broke, records show.
Ms. Fox said she didn't believe stabbing him twice with a kitchen knife was murder. But she said she agreed to a plea deal for probation after spending 4 ½ months in jail awaiting trial and out of fear of prison.
"I think it's a promising sign," said her attorney, Clark Birdsall, a former prosecutor. "I think it's consistent with everything you see from Craig Watkins. In my opinion, Craig is trying to undo the sins of others."
In many states, probation is a rare or even impossible sentence for murder. But The News found that it happened in Texas at least 120 times from 2000 through 2006.
Legal loopholes made probation available even for killers with violent criminal histories - including previous murders. One such case in Dallas involved 71-year-old Eddie Mae Dudley, whose prosecutor termed her a "little sweet old lady." The prosecutor was unaware of her past killing but told The News that it wouldn't have changed his decision to offer probation.
Most of Dallas County's probation sentences for murder came about through deals offered by prosecutors. Juries made most of the other decisions. Under a new state law, juries will no longer be able to offer probation for murder.
Once freed, some killers violated their probations repeatedly with few consequences, based on The News' review of probation supervision records. Several committed new crimes, such as dealing drugs and illegally carrying weapons. Three hurt innocent people while free.
Mr. Watkins said some of the violators who remain free could fall under the district attorney's review. However, any decision to punish such killers with prison would be made by judges, who, The News found, often view probation as an opportunity for reform.
Killers on probation need to understand there is a consequence for violations, Mr. Watkins said. "Obviously, just based on your article, a lot of those folks don't understand that," he said, "and so we have to do something about that."
I know its too long for your non-reading $#! so let me summarize it for you. 9 PERCENT of ALL Dallas County Murderers were given probation. That's 47people that our judicial system let walk. 120 people through 6 years. Some were let off the hook due to their age, health or gender. Google Aaron LamontJackson for an example of a guy getting probation for murdering someone he tried to rob. He even said he should've been locked up and they gave himprobation. Read up bruh.You gotta be informed. I guess what i'm saying is if a cat can get off for murder than i'm not in the least shocked by a guygetting community service and a year in prison for automatics and silencers.
Anyone who is still trying to say T.I.'s lawyers/celebrity status got him out of this needs to stop drinking the $+%!!++ kool-aid. I can't believe I'm even arguing with you over this.
I hope you're not old enough to vote but if you are man cut that !+@ in your head. Do whatever it takes for you to vote Obama. They won't givefelon's the right to vote if their under probation but let cats like you waltz into a voting booth.
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Why don't you get out more and actually read. Unless you live in Alaska or somethin' you can pick up a newspaper right now and see a dude who got probation for murdering a dude. I hope you don't have the right to vote. You're the type of cat who needs to just vote independant and keep it movin'. Might F #%* up for Obama. Wake the F up bruh.....
So you check the newspaper every single day and know for a fact every person whose been arrested and who hasn't? As well, you probably have a direct connect inside
Please, PLEASE, find me an article where someone received probation for MURDERING someone. Not vehicular manslaughter, not being acquitted on a murder case because of lack of evidence, but FOUND GUILTY, and SENTENCED TO PROBATION. PLEASE, I BEG YOU TO FIND THAT.
T.I. DID NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO KEEP HIM OUT THE FEDS. Martha Stewart was convicted of LESSER CRIMES, HAD NO PRIOR RECORD, and HAD WAY MORE MONEY, and she did time.
Anyone who is still trying to say T.I.'s lawyers/celebrity status got him out of this needs to stop drinking the $+%!!++ kool-aid. I can't believe I'm even arguing with you over this.
Yo the SEC got at Martha and u contradicting yourself cause Martha DID get off easy because of her money and fame she was facing up to 10 years but only did 5months plus a heafty fine so your Martha example isnt provin your point.
And I dont think yall understand how Atlanta is Atlanta is the black New York they got so many black powerful people over there that u can have pull if u knowthe right people.
Im not saying he didnt but Im just tryin to expand black peoples minds that just cause a black man got off easy doesnt mean he "snitched" White folksbeen gettin off easy for the longest but black people have to go to prison or they violating the code of the streets?
Yall forgettin the boy HAS to go for a year starting next year + his several months house arrest + hundrends of hours of cs
And white folks been getting probation for murder hell u been
http://findarticles.com/p...55/is_n24_v83/ai_13610154
http://www.pegasusnews.co...any-murderers-probation-/
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So you check the newspaper every single day and know for a fact every person whose been arrested and who hasn't? As well, you probably have a direct connect inside
Please, PLEASE, find me an article where someone received probation for MURDERING someone. Not vehicular manslaughter, not being acquitted on a murder case because of lack of evidence, but FOUND GUILTY, and SENTENCED TO PROBATION. PLEASE, I BEG YOU TO FIND THAT.
T.I. DID NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO KEEP HIM OUT THE FEDS. Martha Stewart was convicted of LESSER CRIMES, HAD NO PRIOR RECORD, and HAD WAY MORE MONEY, and she did time.
Anyone who is still trying to say T.I.'s lawyers/celebrity status got him out of this needs to stop drinking the $+%!!++ kool-aid. I can't believe I'm even arguing with you over this.
Yo the SEC got at Martha and u contradicting yourself cause Martha DID get off easy because of her money and fame she was facing up to 10 years but only did 5 months plus a heafty fine so your Martha example isnt provin your point.
And I dont think yall understand how Atlanta is Atlanta is the black New York they got so many black powerful people over there that u can have pull if u know the right people.
Im not saying he didnt but Im just tryin to expand black peoples minds that just cause a black man got off easy doesnt mean he "snitched" White folks been gettin off easy for the longest but black people have to go to prison or they violating the code of the streets?
Yall forgettin the boy HAS to go for a year starting next year + his several months house arrest + hundrends of hours of cs
And white folks been getting probation for murder hell u been
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n24_v83/ai_13610154http://findarticles.com/p...55/is_n24_v83/ai_13610154
http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2007/nov/11/dallas-county-gave-twice-many-murderers-probation-/http://www.pegasusnews.co...any-murderers-probation-/
Exactly. That's all i'm saying. I don't know what TIP did and anyone who says they do is lying to themselves. If you gonna say hesnitched you gotta have something to back that up with. I don't see anything otu there that says he did. And once again, that doesn't mean hedidn't but where's the proof at?
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Lol at people calling another man a snitch when they have no proof. Dude is writing paragraphs over speculation andfairy tales.
It's common knowledge that u can prove any man snitched by looking at the court documents which happen to be PUBLIC RECORD!
There's always a "Papertrail" (pun intended)...
It's common knowledge that u can prove any man snitched by looking at the court documents which happen to be PUBLIC RECORD!
There's always a "Papertrail" (pun intended)...
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*!!? Are you talking about? I didn't say none of the above. Fact is, if TI could snitch on someone it would be a big time cat. Like the BMF cats. The highest dudes on the totem pole. So yea we'd hear about it just like heard about BMF gettin' locked up. Vick was the highest guy on the totem pole. Cats snitched on him that's why he got his 2 years. Feds don't play around with cats. When they come they comin' to give time. They want the highest guy on the totem pole and with TIP's celebrity the only guys higher than him are guys who sell illegal weaponary or who are drug lords. And you're misunderstanding me. I never said TIP snitched or didn't snitch. I'm saying we don't know. You don't have no facts to back up any claims of him snitchin' so stop it. You're basing your opinions on assumptions. On what you think went down.
And I might %!#% it up for Obama? You're exactly the ignorant kind of idiot who makes Obama look BAD. With your ignorant opinions and naivety oozing out of your damn ears. Please, PLEASE, find me an article where someone received probation for MURDERING someone. Not vehicular manslaughter, not being acquitted on a murder case because of lack of evidence, but FOUND GUILTY, and SENTENCED TO PROBATION. PLEASE, I BEG YOU TO FIND THAT.
You non-reading bastard. Why don't you go sit your @@% down somewhere and go play. I was talkin' to Yungmatt but since you didn't catch that I guess you too should go and vote indepedent. And I read them in the Dallas Morning News since its where I stay at. I'll find them later but until then i'll leave you with this....
Dallas County DA re-examines murder probation
Action follows report Dallas County led Texas in plea deals that let killers walk free
11:48 PM CST on Friday, November 30, 2007
By REESE DUNKLIN / The Dallas Morning News
rdunklin@dallasnews.com
The Dallas County district attorney's office has decided to review dozens of plea bargains in which prosecutors agreed to release killers on probation.
Interactive story
Unequal Justice: Dallas County leads the state in killers allowed to walk the streets.
The move follows a Dallas Morning News investigation last month that showed Dallas County led Texas - the nation's death penalty capital - in granting probation as a punishment for murder from 2000 through 2006.
Nine percent of all Dallas County murder sentences resulted in probation, meaning at least 47 killers were set free. That was twice the number that the county sent to death row during the same time.
And it was more than double the rate of Harris County, which had the state's second-highest number of probation-for-murder cases.
District Attorney Craig Watkins and his top assistant, Terri Moore, said two veteran prosecutors will re-examine the probation-for-murder plea deals, many of which were made despite strong evidence against the killer.
"I don't want to be so arrogant," Ms. Moore said, "that I've got a closed mind and say, 'Well, whatever we decided, it must have been right.' If somebody calls something into question, then let's stop and review it, and make sure we're taking the proper course."
The review is expected to begin in January, and prosecutors will then make recommendations to the district attorney and his aides.
Mr. Watkins said he isn't sure what might result from the review. But two types of cases identified by The News caught his attention.
First were killers who were "clearly guilty," he said, but got probation because of their age, health or gender. Prosecutors made deals either because they feared juries might find the killers sympathetic and go easy on them or because they didn't want to see them imprisoned.
"To rectify that," Mr. Watkins said, his office will check for any rules that were violated that could provide grounds to seek revocation of the killers' probations.
There were also a smaller number of cases in which prosecutors pursued murder charges despite strong self-defense arguments or tenuous evidence. Some defendants told The News that they accepted plea bargains because they were afraid of being convicted and viewed probation as a "get out of jail" card.
Mr. Watkins said his office could request early releases for such defendants, whose probation typically runs 10 years. Doing so - under the type of probation they were given, known as deferred adjudication - would mean the murder convictions wouldn't appear on their criminal records.
Some cases also could be sent to the conviction integrity unit for further review, officials said. That is the unit Mr. Watkins created after taking office this year to investigate whether DNA evidence could exonerate some inmates. Mr. Watkins has made credibility and public confidence key themes of his administration.
"A lot of folks just look at that unit as dealing with DNA [exonerations]," he said. "But it deals with all these convictions that we should have gotten or that we shouldn't have gotten. We have to go back and fix that."
Dallas County leads the nation in the number of convictions overturned on DNA reviews.
Robert Schuwerk, who helped write the rules that govern Texas lawyers, said Mr. Watkins' decision is a "very encouraging sign and consistent with the district attorney's ethical responsibility to undertake this kind of review."
Mr. Schuwerk was one of a half-dozen legal experts from around the country who reviewed cases The News identified. All questioned the reliance on probation-for-murder deals, saying they endangered public safety and risked punishing innocent people.
"You really need to make an effort to find out why these things happened and not just whether it was just or unjust," said Mr. Schuwerk, who teaches legal ethics at the University of Houston Law Center, "and then to evaluate whatever systems are in place in the office now to see whether or not any defects that the DA notices can be prevented in future cases."
News of the review encouraged the defense attorney for a 17-year-old who said she killed her ex-boyfriend in self-defense.
The 34-year-old ex-boyfriend, who had an extensive criminal record, attacked Jacqueline Fox in 2000, hitting her repeatedly with a 2-by-4 so forcefully that it broke, records show.
Ms. Fox said she didn't believe stabbing him twice with a kitchen knife was murder. But she said she agreed to a plea deal for probation after spending 4 ½ months in jail awaiting trial and out of fear of prison.
"I think it's a promising sign," said her attorney, Clark Birdsall, a former prosecutor. "I think it's consistent with everything you see from Craig Watkins. In my opinion, Craig is trying to undo the sins of others."
In many states, probation is a rare or even impossible sentence for murder. But The News found that it happened in Texas at least 120 times from 2000 through 2006.
Legal loopholes made probation available even for killers with violent criminal histories - including previous murders. One such case in Dallas involved 71-year-old Eddie Mae Dudley, whose prosecutor termed her a "little sweet old lady." The prosecutor was unaware of her past killing but told The News that it wouldn't have changed his decision to offer probation.
Most of Dallas County's probation sentences for murder came about through deals offered by prosecutors. Juries made most of the other decisions. Under a new state law, juries will no longer be able to offer probation for murder.
Once freed, some killers violated their probations repeatedly with few consequences, based on The News' review of probation supervision records. Several committed new crimes, such as dealing drugs and illegally carrying weapons. Three hurt innocent people while free.
Mr. Watkins said some of the violators who remain free could fall under the district attorney's review. However, any decision to punish such killers with prison would be made by judges, who, The News found, often view probation as an opportunity for reform.
Killers on probation need to understand there is a consequence for violations, Mr. Watkins said. "Obviously, just based on your article, a lot of those folks don't understand that," he said, "and so we have to do something about that."
I know its too long for your non-reading $#! so let me summarize it for you. 9 PERCENT of ALL Dallas County Murderers were given probation. That's 47 people that our judicial system let walk. 120 people through 6 years. Some were let off the hook due to their age, health or gender. Google Aaron Lamont Jackson for an example of a guy getting probation for murdering someone he tried to rob. He even said he should've been locked up and they gave him probation. Read up bruh.You gotta be informed. I guess what i'm saying is if a cat can get off for murder than i'm not in the least shocked by a guy getting community service and a year in prison for automatics and silencers.
Anyone who is still trying to say T.I.'s lawyers/celebrity status got him out of this needs to stop drinking the $+%!!++ kool-aid. I can't believe I'm even arguing with you over this.
I hope you're not old enough to vote but if you are man cut that !+@ in your head. Do whatever it takes for you to vote Obama. They won't give felon's the right to vote if their under probation but let cats like you waltz into a voting booth.
Well I'm %!!@%@' speechless. I eat my words. 9%. That's nuts.
But I'm not voting for Obama. I'm not voting for McCain, either, but I'm not going to vote for Obama by default of not liking McCain.
I also apologize for reacting to the Obama comment, assumed it was directed at me. But 9% in Dallas. And to think, I was thinking of Dallas a possible newspot for me in 1.5 years.
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Dallas a coo spot to live at. I think in a couple of years its gonna be as big as Atlanta. You already got TV shows and Movies filming here to start up theprocess. But yea cats gettin' off on murders. I can't explain it and neither can the judicial system. All they do is blame it on some"loophole" in the system. I just don't get it myself. Cats robbin' and murdering and getting probation. I too had no knowledge of that untilI seen the article last year in the Dallas Morning News. Its crazy.
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Originally Posted by Chico Cummings
Lol at people calling another man a snitch when they have no proof. Dude is writing paragraphs over speculation and fairy tales.
It's common knowledge that u can prove any man snitched by looking at the court documents which happen to be PUBLIC RECORD!
There's always a "Papertrail" (pun intended)...
He snitched .
He is a confidential informant .
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dudes talkin about he snitched like they have inside information on what went on in the court room ****
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Originally Posted by ILLIONAIRE
Originally Posted by Chico Cummings
Lol at people calling another man a snitch when they have no proof. Dude is writing paragraphs over speculation and fairy tales.
It's common knowledge that u can prove any man snitched by looking at the court documents which happen to be PUBLIC RECORD!
There's always a "Papertrail" (pun intended)...
He snitched .
He is a confidential informant .
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This is is halarious. If you believe that then I dont know what to tell you.MONEY TALKS yea,but to a certain extent. I been saying it since he got locked..... Regardless of money, A 3 TIME CONVICTED FELON CANNOT PLEAD GUILTY TO ANOTHER FELONY AND GET 1 YEAR IN JAIL AND COMMUNITY SERVICE. sorry for the CAPS but that just does not happen
it sho dont...
N' got caught with silencers and the TELESCOPE.. and got 10 months in prison
that !*+@ does not add up.. period
