Why Are Obama Fans Unwilling To Defend His Policies on Their Merits?

Obviously this is not the case for all Obama supporters but far too many Obama supporters, even otherwise smart people, seem unwilling to even discuss hispolicies. For every statement in support of his policies, that are based on facts or at least the theory or promise of his policies, we see 10, 20, 100 or morearguments that amount to saying anything but a sound and reasoned argument.

Since Barack Obama is clearly so much better than George W Bush in terms of policy and because Democrats consider themselves the party of thinkers andintellectuals, why do Obama supporter end us using the same tactics used by hardcore pro-Bush partisans?

Obama supporters tend to have three lines of argument. One is that his critics are racist. There going to be people who cannot see past the color of his skinbut bad policy is bad policy when supporters of those policies would rather make accusations, then talk about the facts and merits of an ideas, it sends badsignals. The second popular defense is that terrible things will happen if we do no give Obama and his team has much power as they need. What happened to beingprincipled and quotin gBen Franklin's commnetary on trading liberty for security, if it was true after 9/11 why is it not true now? The third and mostridiculous line of argument is that we should refrain from criticizing him because he has just started. If he moved at a slower pace and was yet to introduceany major legislation, I can understand that line of argument but it is President Obama who is wasting no time in introducing several items that will or could,for betetr or worse, drastically change the direction and character of the Country. No president should be allowed nor is owed absolute power for one day, letalone six months or a year.

What is most confusing about those who defend Obama aginst all criticisms is that he is doing what would be roundly criticized if it were done by aRepublicans. Giving away money to big business will cost us and future generations, no matter who is doing it. It is ironic that Obama supporters completelyridicule those rallies and give virtually no serious thought to why these rallies are happening. Naturally, some of the protesters at the tea parties wereracists, secessionist and other crazies but that is to be expected at any rally. Similar elements turned out for anti War rallies and pro "undocumentedworker" rallies and idiots on the right focused on the crazies and did not spend so much as a moment to discuss or consider the very real and legitimategrievances of the majority of those crowds.

One would have thought that after years of feeling like they were shouted down, ignored or called traitors for dissenting with the last administration, therewould not be such a grand effort on the part of the current administration's supporters to duplicate and perhaps surpass the coarseness of the Bushadministration and its supporters.
For those who find the reading too challenging, here are some cliff notes:

Why do so many Obama supporters act like Bush supporters did? I had hope that Barack Obama would set a tone of thinking, discourse and civility. Bush set theopposite tone amongst his supporters and I am disappointed that Obama has not been able to get his supporters to be any different from pro-Bush partisans.

Why do you think NT will have the answer? Also you write the most long-winded crap on this board, even in the sports forum a simple question like"who's your favorite athlete" devolves into a 4 page wall of text that sucks all the fun out of the topic. "Well it all began when i was twogrowing up in the valley of California, where my father begat me, who was begat by his father blah blah blah.."

cliff notes?

hope?

Originally Posted by Frankie Valentino

Why do you think NT will have the answer? Also you write the most long-winded crap on this board, even in the sports forum a simple question like "who's your favorite athlete" devolves into a 4 page wall of text that sucks all the fun out of the topic. "Well it all began when i was two growing up in the valley of California, where my father begat me, who was begat by his father blah blah blah.."

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"You been doing too much typing, Rex"






Really though, I appreciate Rex's posts because they're well written and thought out.

YER RASIST

OMG 1984 is here!!!!

the first two sound like a married couple.

Wall of text. Blog.

Why isn't there a Jordan Obama shoe?

wait... people actually support big bank bailouts? i thought the overall public sentiment was negative concerning this issue

Why another Obama thread? WHY??

Originally Posted by Frankie Valentino

Why do you think NT will have the answer? Also you write the most long-winded crap on this board, even in the sports forum a simple question like "who's your favorite athlete" devolves into a 4 page wall of text that sucks all the fun out of the topic. "Well it all began when i was two growing up in the valley of California, where my father begat me, who was begat by his father blah blah blah.."

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Game. Blouses. /Thread

I can assure you that Frankie and I are not married nor are we in any sort of civil union. Ironically, he does know what I write, and he knows it well enoughto lampoon it so he obviously is reading it voluntarily, unless some professor somewhere has made my NT posts assigned readings.


Mangudai, thanks for the props and more so for the joke, which I think is an indirect reference to interventions for drug use.

Curious George, the who issue of the bailouts is a good example of how some people can be very uncritical because of partisanship and/or allegiance to apersonality. When people are polled and asked about the bailouts, the responses are almost universally negative and for good reason. However, when PresidentObama has his named attached to it, Democrats tend to favor it and Republicans tend to be even more negative about it. It is similar case with deficits ingeneral, Americans see the obvious problems with running deficits almost every year bu twhen Obama has his name attached to it, it becomes and"investment," and is viewed favorably by Democrats.

Why are voters called "fans"?

Come on man, its Friday!

Originally Posted by RavageBX

Originally Posted by Frankie Valentino

Why do you think NT will have the answer? Also you write the most long-winded crap on this board, even in the sports forum a simple question like "who's your favorite athlete" devolves into a 4 page wall of text that sucks all the fun out of the topic. "Well it all began when i was two growing up in the valley of California, where my father begat me, who was begat by his father blah blah blah.."

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Umm . .ok? His response was basically "WHY DO YOU CARE??", but I think rex posed some pretty valid questions considering how 95% ofthis forum suddenly became a political genius during the election. But I guess he's a moron because he wrote FOUR paragraphs questioning Obama'spolicies? I think the fact that the only flaws he could find in Rex's post were the length(unjustified) and his intent(unjustified) probably means that hemight actually have some semblance of a point.

I like how he says "why do you think NT will have the answer" like this forum isn't full of know-it-all's who are down to argue aboutANYTHING at any time . Good call.

Originally Posted by Mangudai954

Originally Posted by Frankie Valentino

Why do you think NT will have the answer? Also you write the most long-winded crap on this board, even in the sports forum a simple question like "who's your favorite athlete" devolves into a 4 page wall of text that sucks all the fun out of the topic. "Well it all began when i was two growing up in the valley of California, where my father begat me, who was begat by his father blah blah blah.."

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"You been doing too much typing, Rex"






Really though, I appreciate Rex's posts because they're well written and thought out.

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@ screencapping the dumb it down video

Ummm because so far Obama has done extremely well


His foreign policy is top notch
I disagree with some of the specifics of the bailout but it has not failed. If it fails it is bad policy. It hasn't failed.
The stimulus is the best way to create jobs now and in the future.. It got watered down through Congress and the original plan was the best plan but we got thebest plan we can get after going through government.

Also people consider Dems the rational and intelligent party because Republicans are acting like a chicken with their head cut off. They are using hatefullanguage and trying to start a revolution BUT they do not have any plans to help the country except for plans that are half thought and half considered and notcalibrated to the situation they are in now. All they have been doing is saying "No" and "If we just cut taxes all the way, and do not spend anymoney the economy will be fine." Stupid policy after stupidpolicy/


Obama does not have absolute power and he never will. You would know if he did. I.e. you wouldnt be able to type this thread.

And can it with the socialist crap. It is not a valid argument, the ones who push it are the ones who push the grab your guns and he wants to destroy America.We have been and always will be a Capitalistic & Socialist Society in the U.S. Just no one wants to admit it. If you went to a school you practiced inSocialistic policies. This argument was made to get people fired up about nothing and divide the country in half and lead to a terrible outcome. TheRepublicans believe this is the best way to win an election completely divide themselves from the democrats and many moderates and act hateful when a Democratcomes into charge.

So excuse everybody for likeing Obama and the democrats when they seem to be the only people trying to do their job.

its the same on both sides

its difficult to criticize Obama for the bailout when TARP was launched under Bush with support from both sides of the aisle.

The stimulus package on the other hand is fair game. Though im not sure whether or not to judge it as a success or not, its too early imo. Though on a nationallevel states seem like they need this money to balance thier budgets which have taken a hit.

I think the economy is bigger than Obama and our gov't quite frankly. It's so complex that i don't think anyone has a bullet proof solution to it.Economics is not an exact science.