ESPN Page 2: Leave the scowl at home, Kobe - By Tim Keown

What the hell does a face have to do with anything?

Bill Simmons = fail

Smh at how people reach soooo much to hate on Kobe. Lebron too.
 
Unlike LeBron, though, Kobe can't let his game speak for him. He has to accentuate everything with the facial expressions and the dismissiveness. It's not enough for him to beat someone; he feels compelled to belittle that person in the process.


The fact is that it is Kobe's personality.

I really am not a Kobe Bryant fan. I'm a New Jersey Nets fan. I want the Lakers to lose actually...I think Artest and Battier is the coolest combo I'veseen.

It's not always about being a fanboy...I disagree with the article. Kobe's "scowl" is not phony. He is competitive.

Underline all you want...I disagree with you and the author.
 
i mean i kinda feel where kobe would be coming from...
after all that while girl rape thing or whatever... i would not put myself out there... just give people the image you think they wanna see and run with it...some people still need to keep their sanity... he cant hide from the camera's like eminem can.... just to stay in his house and gain weight..... he stillplays basketball on TV

now as for the court... everything this dude does on the court... seems to always be related to MJ..... dude can score at will but then eveyone calls him aball hog.... dude drops 55 and people say he's trying to be like mike... it seems to be a lose lose unless he dishes out 15 assist and only score 20 agame... but the lakers need more then that from him for them to win the chip... he needs to take over games and just finish them all off.. and if he does? whathappens... "kobe came through like jordan did" even the people that interview him try to prepare him for the "MJ question" and all he saysis.. he just wants to be kobe.....
 
Very well written, and spot on point.

I can tell you right now who will disagree with it, though, and who else will disagree with it vehemently.
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It's the truth; 90% of what we see from Kobe seems contrived to most people watching. It's not about how to celebrate or anything or being nit-pickyjust to be a hater. The arguments made against Kobe's persona have remained unchanged since they began in '96, folks.

And reminding people of the 3 championships means nothing in terms of responding about a persona.
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Personas and character traits have nothing to do with winning a championship,so bringing up championships only throws something in the discussion that doesn't belong.
 
Originally Posted by travman24

What the hell does a face have to do with anything?

Bill Simmons = fail

Smh at how people reach soooo much to hate on Kobe. Lebron too.
 
Originally Posted by got shoes

He doesn't do that. Every player does that.

This is the simplest way to explain how I feel.

He "mimicks" Michael Jordan? I guess that's what happens when you grow up watching Michael Jordan.

He is "cocky"? So are most basketball players.

The author managed to infer a million different things about Kobe Bryant from a discussion on the bench with Pau Gasol, that he never heard.

I get it...sometimes you meet people and there is just something that is annoying about them.

It's the same thing for athletes.

I don't see what the author sees, and if you disagree with me...that's fine.
 
I respect Kobes game but this article is dead on TRUTH. Only Laker fans will deny it.

Jordan made the whole world love him. Kobe can't get anyone outside of Los Angeles to give him respect.
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Kobe's more interesting when he's a jerk.

He comes off like a fake to me when he tries the good guy act.
 
players that scowl and trash talk after buckets...


Kobe
Lebron
KG
Nate Robinson
JR Smith
Eddie House
D wade

i could go on forever, lotta athletes are cocky GET OVER IT.
 
Originally Posted by JordanXI45

I respect Kobes game but this article is dead on TRUTH. Only Laker fans will deny it.

Jordan made the whole world love him. Kobe can't get anyone outside of Los Angeles to give him respect.
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Again...not a Lakers fan.

And if Jordan "made the whole world love him," why is that act any better than Kobe's "act"?
 
Originally Posted by XAleXShaneX

Originally Posted by got shoes

He doesn't do that. Every player does that.

This is the simplest way to explain how I feel.

He "mimicks" Michael Jordan? I guess that's what happens when you grow up watching Michael Jordan.

He is "cocky"? So are most basketball players.

The author managed to infer a million different things about Kobe Bryant from a discussion on the bench with Pau Gasol, that he never heard.

I get it...sometimes you meet people and there is just something that is annoying about them.

It's the same thing for athletes.

I don't see what the author sees, and if you disagree with me...that's fine.

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Um i see your reading comprehension is pretty low my friend
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The article about the Spike doc was written by a completely different person about a completely different subject
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As much as I like Kobe, and am in his camp still, I do really agree with that article... there is something really ingenuine about his personality. And it doesfeel really contrived anymore.

I still really like the guy - and think he acts no worse than Jordan did with his cockiness on the court.. but yeah, I definitely can see what this guy isgetting at.

its a lose/lose for him if he tries to be funny and joke around he being forced and phoney/ if he tries to be competitive and scowl after baskets he being forced and phoney....


people just have to realize the kids intense and competitive on the court get over it
i agree with this also.

I don't think people would like Kobe for the most part, regardless of what he did.. i'm not sure where that comes from though, but there is somethingpeople fundamentally don't like about this guy - and i still trace it back to the Kobe/Shaq thing for most of the kobe haters. I think it just became amatter of one or the other for most people, and it was a lot easier to take Shaq's funny antics to Kobe's seriousness at the time, and people don'twant to move past that side-choosing they made back then. Perhaps...

I'm just theorizing there.. i really don't know, that's just when I sort've started noticing the Kobe hate get turned up around the world.. andlike the last guy said, he really can't win now. He'd be getting this article written about him for however he acted right now, because people justflat out don't like this guy anymore.
 
its a lose/lose for him if he tries to be funny and joke around he being forced and phoney/ if he tries to be competitive and scowl after baskets he beingforced and phoney....


people just have to realize the kids intense and competitive on the court get over it
 
Bill Simmons =
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I think the Barry Bonds comparison is wrong I am one of the few people who like Barry for the most part and the difference is that Bary doesn't give a %*!*what you think about him as a person.
 
Kobe is a cocky, @$%% talker, but has the ability to light you up then the next night to shoot his team out of the game. But how is that different from anysuperstar? Think about how GP was back in the day. Think about Rodman's self serving antics. Think about MJ chokin his own players out in the locker room.Think about Bron flexing to the camera or KG down on all fours barking like a dog to his opponents.

The NBA is entertainment and should be treated as such. I don't spend my money to go watch Tim Duncan and his team look like !!*%!# programmed robots outthere. I want to see Ron Ron in someones face. I want to see Kobe talking smack while he's lighting people up. I want to see a competitive spectacle.There's nothing wrong with how Kobe presents himself and how other stars/superstars do either. I don't care how you act on and off the court as long asyou're doing your job and winning games for me.


*** Oh and let me tell you why Kobe plays with such "little joy" because everyone, the media, haters, Laker fans, act like he never won achampionship because he did it with Shaq. If you were that disrespected you'd probably feel the need to over compensate too.
 
All I know is, it'd be lame if Kobe did what he did in game 2, yelling 'He can't guard me', to everybody who'd listen, Doug Collinsincluded, making faces after every shot, tonight, considering the game 4 he had.
 
Originally Posted by Mister Negative

Originally Posted by XAleXShaneX

Originally Posted by got shoes

He doesn't do that. Every player does that.

This is the simplest way to explain how I feel.

He "mimicks" Michael Jordan? I guess that's what happens when you grow up watching Michael Jordan.

He is "cocky"? So are most basketball players.

The author managed to infer a million different things about Kobe Bryant from a discussion on the bench with Pau Gasol, that he never heard.

I get it...sometimes you meet people and there is just something that is annoying about them.

It's the same thing for athletes.

I don't see what the author sees, and if you disagree with me...that's fine.

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Um i see your reading comprehension is pretty low my friend
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The article about the Spike doc was written by a completely different person about a completely different subject
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It was used to supplement the argument made in this article.

Stop nit-picking and taking the sub-intellectual "reading comprehension/didn't read the article" argument that NT thinks is bulletproof, andbegin to state your own opinion. It's something I would like to hear.

Explain to me further how Kobe's cockiness, scowl, or whatever you want to call it is all one giant act.
 
Mister Negative:
How is it that Ska is like the only Lakers/Kobe fan that is grounded in reality?
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Not at all. There are plenty of Lakers fans on here that you can have reasonable discussion with, whether the topic is pro-Lakers, anti-Lakers,pro-Kobe, anti-Kobe, pro-LeBron, anti-LeBron, or what have you.
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Yeah, there are Kobe stans and Laker stans, but there are also Bobcat fans who honestly think in their mind that next year, the Bobcats will be in the Finals.
 
TennHouse2:
its a lose/lose for him if he tries to be funny and joke around he being forced and phoney/ if he tries to be competitive and scowl after baskets he being forced and phoney....
Somewhere in the middle is 'Don't be what you think you need to be to repair your image or be marketable. Just be yourself. And don'tmake it such an obvious point to let everyone know how unbelievably amazing and spectacular you are and how no one is on your level; just pay the game the wayyou play and we'll all see how spectacular you are and that VERY few people are on your level.'

But I'm just restating what was said in the article.
 
i don't see Kobe as being contrived, i think that's just the way he is. i think i've said this before.. but i believe that Kobe's actions onthe court only stand out because we are in an era of "nice" superstars. when Kobe came into the league, the players he played against like Jordan,Pippen, Reggie Miller, Gary Payton, etc were ALL ultra-competitive **$ holes on the court. that's just the way he learned to compete, and he hasn'tchanged.

i mean, you guys seriously don't think Reggie Miller ever said "you can't guard me" to an opposing player? Barkley never said that? you thinkMJ never said that? and Reggie Miller is corny as $+@+, so if people think Kobe is "contrived" i don't know why they don't have a problemwith Reggie Miller and his trashtalking.


nowadays, the current superstar players like Lebron, Wade, Melo, Dwight, etc are all buddy buddy, text messaging each other every day and whatnot.. Kobe is a90s player, he didn't grow up with that $+@+. when he came into the league, he would see superstar players fighting each other on the court every night.imagine if Lebron and D-Wade got into a fight? exactly, that would never happen. that's why Kobe's 90s era competitiveness seems to stand out on thecourt today. if he was in the 90s, he would fit right in with MJ, Reggie Miller, Payton, John Starks, etc. but he just looks like an a-hole in the current erabecause nobody really competes like that any more.


and it's funny that Bill Simmons would write an article about Kobe's attitude.. look at these quotes by his white Jesus Larry Bird. imagine the uproarif Kobe said any of these things:

After Bird made four straight baskets with Rodman guarding him, he ran over to Chuck Daly and asked "who's guarding me, Chuck? Is anyone guarding me? You better get someone on me or I'm gonna go for 60." Then he'd continue the banter the next time he got the ball with Rodman inches away.

"I started talking a little trash to him," Horace Grant recalled, when the Celtics were the defending champions. "I'm saying, 'You're not going to score. You're not getting this basket. I remember him then telling me exactly what he was going to do to me. He says he's going to fake me left and then he's going to shoot a right-hand hook over me. And then he goes and does it and scores."

On a West Coast trip in 1986, Bird told the entire Dallas Mavericks bench that after the time out, Ainge would inbounds the pass to DJ, who would hit Bird in the corner where Bird would step back and take a three. "So you got that?" Bird queried the bench. "I'm gonna stand right here. I'm not going to move. They'll pass me the ball, and the next sound you here will be the ball hitting the bottom of the net." And that's exactly what happened. Bird winked at the Maverick before heading back down to the other end of the court.

When the Indiana Pacers put rookie George McCloud on Bird in the closing minutes of a game, Bird yelled over to the Pacers bench, "Hey, I know you guys are desperate, but can't you find someone who at least has prayer?"

Longtime NBA radio announcer Ted Davis, now the voice of the Milwaukee Bucks, told the Milwaukee Journal the best trash talker he had seen was Larry Bird. "You never knew it because you couldn't see his lips move," he said. "He had no lips."

After Craig Hodges won the NBA All-Star Game Three-Point contest in Bird's absence, Hodges was asked if the victory was tainted because Bird hadn't participated. "He knows where he can find me," was Hodges retort. Told of Hodges' challenge, Bird replied, "Yeah, at the end of the Bulls bench."

Knicks' forward Charles Smith remembers when Bird barked "Sorry, Charlie," as he released a long, last-second shot to win a game. "That kind of a thing makes you want to jump on a guy," said Smith.

Heat forward Glen Rice said, "When Bird started lighting you up and talking trash, that's hard on you. It's like driving a stake through your heart."

The year after Bird greeted fellow three-point shooting contest participants by asking which one of them would finish in second place behind him, Dale Ellis told the press that Bird didn't have much to say this year. "There was no need to talk this time," Bird replied,"we all knew who was going to win."

Bird even precipitated a fight with Julius Erving by repeating a single phrase over and over. The phrase? 42-5, or the number of points each had scored during an easy Boston victory.
 
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