This is NOT a good SIGN for JB

Originally Posted by GottaBdaShoes

Those are well thought assumptions but non of them fit, like a bad shoe. I'm not against JB, I'm just keeping things realistic. Also, hypothetically typing. Worst case scenario if you will.

Response to 1. What happens if at some point in the future, retailers don't want JB products because of such decline in sales? Do you think they will still want the products? Will JB maintain those numbers they consistently attain?

Response to 2. Let's say the sneaker game dies in a few years, with all the crappy products JB is currently putting out (material wise), do you think people will buy despite it not being up to par performance wise?

Response to 3. Retro shoes will only go so far. Chuck Taylors are still sold, do they sell like they did back in the 60's and 70'? No. Only reason they still sell at all is because Nike owns Converse.

Response to 4. Hype only attracts kids and simple individuals. You would need a CONSISTENCY of hype, I'm talking about one after the next after the next after the next for a shoe to sell if it gets really bad for JB. Plus a lot of the hype is about shoes that have seen hype before, so JB preys on this. It would be like running through a gauntlet and hoping for the best.

A lot of people on NT and sneaker heads everywhere know what they want and don't need hype to make them give in. Corporations are always changing their plan around to save money. Intentionally looking away when a good thing is already good. A huge company I worked for did this and now they are losing a lot of customers. It's a bad omen.
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1. sales are down not because of bad jordans, but because EVERYONE isn't spending as much.

2. ok, i see you're point performance-wise. but i was referring to younger kids. i'm pretty sure when you're like 9 yrs old, you're not caringif your sneaker can provide ultimate traction control and ankle support... that really comes when you become a more serious athlete- in your late teens andearly 20's. but before that, if a young kid wants a sneaker and it's not TOO expensive (and sometimes price just doesnt matter) a parent will buyregardless a brand.

3. Using the Chuck Taylor example was the worst choice because what you said was very false. Chucks are sold WAAAAAAY more than when they were first made. Infact, retail-wise one of THE most sold shoe styles. Fashion-wise, one of THE most copied silhouettes. Believe me, I can confidently make both these statementsbecause i've been part of the retail AND fashion review sides. Nike owning Converse has no conditional effect on sales. Ever think their good Chuck salesis the reason why Nike wanted to own it?
NOT TO MENTION- there are new-born collectors every year. retro jordans just make it easier to let them cop what they like that came before they startedcoppin. so retroes will always be copped. maybe not be you, but you're baby cousin in a few years.

4. you're last statement just doesn't make any sense to me, maybe it's one of those things where the reading type loses tone of voice. but fromi'm reading, i'll say this... the use of internet (NT, sneakernews, nicekicks, hyepbeast, etc) will only further help promote Jordan products.Therefore giving Jordan free advertisement. ever wonder why Jordan only used to make commercials for new Air Jordans? Jordan doesn't need to make acommercial saying "hey we made the jordan 1's to commemorate his 60+ point acheivement." all these sites advertise for them.
 
Sales are not down overall, I never said that. JB is a $1 billion company. It will take years for them to fall.

Performance-wise, a kid may not know any difference or even care for that matter. Their parents are the ones buying the shoes. THEY count as the general publicaside from us dedicated sneaker heads. They will buy Jordans for their kids to make them happy. There are many reasons why we buy them, we are more intricate.If mommy isn't buying them for little chad because of the recession, then JB has us. If we are completely unsatisfied with JB's products on a constantbasis, who do they have left? Foreign countries? They definitely wont compensate for the numbers lost in the U.S. Retailers won't order shoes from a brandthat is not selling over time. They will cut down their count.

The chuck taylors are dirt cheap. I only see punkers wearing them now a days. They used to be used for basketball. Nike bought converse because it might be alucrative venture but the brand would not last on it's own. Makes me wonder if JB would survive if they had nothing to do with Nike. Hmm.. that'sanother topic though.

I will elaborate on my last statement. It's not hard to understand that if hype has helped sell a shoe, it won't always do the job alone. I can hustleand sell water to a whale but when that whale realizes that there is water all around, will the whale still buy from me? People eventually open their eyes andsay enough is enough.
 
i wasn't referring to JB sales, i knew what you meant. i was talking about the economy in general. my first statement was referring back to the originaltopic as to why eastbay might be taking off the 2 quantity limit. they may feel whoever is willing to buy 2 may be willing to buy 3... or even more if its awholesaler. an extra pair of jordans here and there may also help make up for lack of sales for other products eastbay sells.


i agree- but i still feel in the end, even if JB continues to produce !#+*, ppl are still gonna cop. definitely sneakerheads loyalty decreasing, but let'ssay the typical hood rat... "oh !#+*- dem !*%$! is jordans... i'm coppin"



true chucks are a more rock scene, but im still looking at it from a retail point of view... rock produces just as big of a trend as hip hop- maybe more. sothere are PLENTY of ppl rocking chucks, not to mention just plain everyday ppl and little kids. it's not like converse asked nike to buy them in order tosurvive. nike saw profit and jumped on it... but YES- Nike is essential to Jordan brand.



but let's not lose sight of why chucks were brought up- jordan retroes... i pretty much stand by to the thought that they're always a new market toappeal to. you never had true blues? awesome, now's your chance. and even if you did have the 01 retroes, you still might cop to give your older ones arest. and even if you just never liked them at all, in a few years there are new generation sneakerheads that never had the chance to cop em. but if JBre-retroes... he's buying



ok i understand you're last thing better... and i agree, but my aforementioned scenario plays to this too. you and i (or whoever) may no longer give intoANY hype EVER again.... but the new sneakerheads that emerge a few years from now are still giving into every little influence.



regardless if you agree or disagree (i mean this for everyone- not just GottaBdaShoes), i think he said it right... it's safe to say JB has a long way tobe falling financially
 
hahahah cracked me up with "oh !#+*- dem !*%$! is jordans... i'm coppin"

To the rest you wrote... we will have to wait a couple of years to see what happens right? I'm with everyone who loves the brand. Hopefully JB steps theirgame up on the quality tip. I will always love the retro J's. It's those fusions, hybrids, etc.. etc.. that have me with arms in the air. That crapwill drive the brand right into the ground.

As a matter of fact, I went to a cook out today and some geeky dude was wearing some flint grey/ blue AJF 13's. He was maybe 21 yrs old. I didn't evenknow they were out yet, don't care. They looked like variants at first but then I looked right at the hologram and realized they weren't. I didn'tsay anything to dude because I wasn't about to start some drama at my gf's friend's house but I was like *@*?! I even mentioned it to my girl. Shelooked at them and turned to me and laughed. She likes Jordans and wears retro's too but isn't as much a sneak head as I am, but my point is that evenSHE knows what crap JB is putting out. It's just not a good sign for the company. If they keep it up, no one will want these shoes, people will purposelywait for ONLY retro's to drop, and the brand will slowly die. JB can't run a $1billion company on retro J's alone. They will lose theirexclusivity. If mike was still playing, it'd be a different story of course. One can only wish though.
 
agreed. but i didn't say that retroes would carry them. but with MJ leaving the game and JB already passing the AJ 23, potential is drifting away. butretroes certainly do help while they're thinking of what are the next big steps to take to keep the empire strong. basically everything that i brought upfrom the get-go was that current sales, economy, retailers taking away quantity limits isn't a sign that JB is falling down the tubes in the NEAR future,but JB has their own problems to come.
 
Originally Posted by GottaBdaShoes

As a matter of fact, I went to a cook out today and some geeky dude was wearing some flint grey/ blue AJF 13's. He was maybe 21 yrs old. I didn't even know they were out yet, don't care. They looked like variants at first but then I looked right at the hologram and realized they weren't
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Um, those aren't out yet. Those were fakes.
 
Originally Posted by MSheraton23

i actually like the packs, i might be alone on that tho
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i like packs...it just sucks when they throw in a garbage shoe
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Those fusions were disgusting and they weren't fakes. He just found a way to get them early. What a waste of time AND money. It's his prerogativethough.
 
Originally Posted by Ivehademall

"and no, im sure they arent hurting. they build shoes that average a cost between $7-15 and sell em for $125-175. they are making a fortune either way. just figure the profit margin"


That isn't totally true...JB doesnt' retail the shoes for $310....the retailer does. Cost to a retailer is typically around 50% of the suggested retail price....which means if JB puts out a $310 pack....cost for FTL to purchase is around $155 -#%@ give or take including shipping. THere are also several steps along the way that make these "windfall profits" seem alot less crazy.

I'm not defending the whole process...it's just that most people do not understand the retail supply chain.
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ive been in retail since i was bout 14, i know how it all breaks down. JB DOES retail them for 310, its marked on the shoebox. i never said theymake the entire difference. we all know the stores buy them for less and make their own profit. even selling at lets say $75 per pair from nike to Retail,thats $60 profit PER PAIR. thats 400% of the cost. now you do the math
 
JB can easily continue to be a successful brand. There are different strategies which they can use.

1. Continue to release fusions. These appeal to the average sneaker buyer and probably make JB the most money. Like it or not they are profitable and need tobe continued in order for the brand to survive.

2. Release Retro Jordans in new colorways. Although this might disgust some, people just getting into the shoe game would love to see a pair of red white andblue IV's. By releasing new colorways, this keeps the game fresh and keeps shoe buyers off Ebay and in Footlocker.

3. Rerelease popular retros, Concord 11's, Cement 3's. These will appeal to the true sneakerheads and can be released at a high price.

Any smart Nike executive realizes that they barely make money off NT members. Think of the percentage of shoes that are bought by NT members. Most are boughton Ebay or NT, either used or through resellers. JB makes little money off NT members. The way they can make more money thru NT is through re releasing retrosin OG colorways. however, for total profit JB cannot stop making fusions, 6 rings, 60+, etc.
 
^^^ I totally agree with you man. They will always get there money anyhow. I like the idea of releasing the og's. They started that with the space jamsthis year. Hopefully we will get some other og colorways soon.
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JB is obviously going to find ways to survive. They can only fool the public for so long though. It's sad, my gf has a pair of '03-'04 retrocardinal 7's that are made of tough material (tumbled and full grain leather), the paint hasn't even chipped yet. She wears them casually. I look atthe orlando 7's that came in the pack, compare them and the tumbled leather JB uses is WAY different. It's crappy, stretchable, and damages veryeasily. I returned the pack I bought from eastbay for that reason and because the bing cashback was canceled by eastbay. Screw a 310 charge. I'm startingto go away from buying retro J's in new colorways to ONLY buying the ones that are released in original colorways.. this company is either feeling thecurrent decline in the economy or they are trying not to feel it by minimizing their material costs and increasing their prices on us at the same time.It's such a shame that most people are not noticing this.
 
JB is never in trouble, if they were. just release some hype retro and theyll be back on top
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