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According to an Australian study published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine,


Interestingly, the second biggest indicator was an air cell in the heel:
Players wearing shoes with[sup] [/sup]air cells in the heel were 4.3 times more likely to injure an[sup] [/sup]ankle than those wearing shoes without air cell.


Another article with commentary on the study says:
First of all, it’s quite reasonable to think that mid-sole construction and composition in basketball shoes should play a role in preventing/producing injuries. Basketball-shoe midsoles tend to be quite thick, for one thing. In theory, this exaggerated thickness provides better cushioning, but it also makes the foot and ankle more unstable, compared to a situation in which the foot is closer to the ground. In particular, it makes the foot and ankle more prone to the violent side-to-side tipping motions which produce ankle sprains and other ankle injuries.

NBA players often change their sneakers every two to three games. This is because there is a proven link between the replacement of sneakers and the prevention of injuries…Even when the outside of the sneaker looks good, the mid-sole of a basketball sneaker (the eva) is often worn down. When this happens, there is added stress to bones and ligaments in the foot and the leg…Currently, the American Academy of Podiatric Sports Medicine is recommending that high school basketball players switch sneakers monthly.


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Now since Nike is making their shoes on the cheap, then with them wearing down quickly, can we expect more injuries to those who will rock nothing but Nike?
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According to an Australian study published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine,


Interestingly, the second biggest indicator was an air cell in the heel:
Players wearing shoes with[sup] [/sup]air cells in the heel were 4.3 times more likely to injure an[sup] [/sup]ankle than those wearing shoes without air cell.


Another article with commentary on the study says:
First of all, it’s quite reasonable to think that mid-sole construction and composition in basketball shoes should play a role in preventing/producing injuries. Basketball-shoe midsoles tend to be quite thick, for one thing. In theory, this exaggerated thickness provides better cushioning, but it also makes the foot and ankle more unstable, compared to a situation in which the foot is closer to the ground. In particular, it makes the foot and ankle more prone to the violent side-to-side tipping motions which produce ankle sprains and other ankle injuries.

NBA players often change their sneakers every two to three games. This is because there is a proven link between the replacement of sneakers and the prevention of injuries…Even when the outside of the sneaker looks good, the mid-sole of a basketball sneaker (the eva) is often worn down. When this happens, there is added stress to bones and ligaments in the foot and the leg…Currently, the American Academy of Podiatric Sports Medicine is recommending that high school basketball players switch sneakers monthly.


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Now since Nike is making their shoes on the cheap, then with them wearing down quickly, can we expect more injuries to those who will rock nothing but Nike?
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LMAO at this lil war. However, I agree with some points on each guys side. Buy what you want, just by spouting off rhetoric about Nike being cheap and this and that doesn't convince anyone else who likes Nike not to buy the product. But I agree on the other hand that it seems Nike has and is charging us for cheaper materials and crappier quality. $150 for a Space Jam Retro that is really really badly put together?? But as always, people keep on buying, so Nike keeps on making em.
 
LMAO at this lil war. However, I agree with some points on each guys side. Buy what you want, just by spouting off rhetoric about Nike being cheap and this and that doesn't convince anyone else who likes Nike not to buy the product. But I agree on the other hand that it seems Nike has and is charging us for cheaper materials and crappier quality. $150 for a Space Jam Retro that is really really badly put together?? But as always, people keep on buying, so Nike keeps on making em.
 
I still think Nike puts out quality production is most areas, basketball included. I think what they've been doing lately though is focused a bit too much on the exclusive releases and they end up over-doing the whole feel etc.. While producing a very neat, clean aesthetic design, the more sought after models seem to receive something different in terms of function lately...

^^ As for the argument at hand... idk
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I still think Nike puts out quality production is most areas, basketball included. I think what they've been doing lately though is focused a bit too much on the exclusive releases and they end up over-doing the whole feel etc.. While producing a very neat, clean aesthetic design, the more sought after models seem to receive something different in terms of function lately...

^^ As for the argument at hand... idk
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I remember when the quality of Nike shoes started going downhill.....A new study shows that air-cell athletic shoes may be harmful.

EU Proposal Could Put Ban on Air-Sole Shoes
NEW YORK (October 15, 2004) - European Union officials reached a tentative agreement on Thursday to reduce fluorinated greenhouse gas emissions that would lead to the prohibition of air-cushioned footwear in the region.

The proposed agreement is part of a larger EU effort to address global warming issues by phasing out harmful emissions primarily caused by refrigeration, air conditioning, fire-fighting, tires, non-refillable containers, one-component foam and footwear.

“The legislation agreed today is another element in the framework we are building to curb climate change and to implement the Kyoto Protocol,
 
I remember when the quality of Nike shoes started going downhill.....A new study shows that air-cell athletic shoes may be harmful.

EU Proposal Could Put Ban on Air-Sole Shoes
NEW YORK (October 15, 2004) - European Union officials reached a tentative agreement on Thursday to reduce fluorinated greenhouse gas emissions that would lead to the prohibition of air-cushioned footwear in the region.

The proposed agreement is part of a larger EU effort to address global warming issues by phasing out harmful emissions primarily caused by refrigeration, air conditioning, fire-fighting, tires, non-refillable containers, one-component foam and footwear.

“The legislation agreed today is another element in the framework we are building to curb climate change and to implement the Kyoto Protocol,
 
  Wow, I can't believe the global warming debate is now effecting my shoes.  Good grief, that is nuts.

While I do agree that the decrease in the use of Zoom sucks, although maybe the above post has something to do with it, I'm not sure I agree with the quality issue and the use of plastic.  My favorite shoe that had a lot of durability was the Ultraflight and other shoes with synthetic materials also have held up better than my old leather stuff and the fit has been much better.  I'm not sure what you call the material on the Kobe V's, maybe it's some form of plastic, but I'll take it.  It's not tupperware.  If it wears out, that will give me an excuse to buy another pair.  No old leather shoe could ever fit so well.   It seems some people are never happy.  You want new tech, but complain about it when nike puts it out. 

  As far as air cells causing ankle sprains, well that's not being very specific.  Most of my zoom based shoes have been perfect in that area, although I did try to extent my wear of my fourth pair of Ultraflight's knowing they were about shot for playing ball, and ended up spraining it pretty bad.  I did land on someone foot, but I still think if had went to my next pair like I was thinking about doing, I would have been ok.  Of course, those same shoes still lasted a long time after hoops wearing them for work etc. 

  I did have a kid on my team I was coaching sprain his ankle in a pair of the new Air Max Lebrons, which to me seem high off the ground with no outrigger or anything to help prevent a sprain.  This kid had nobody around him and sprained it pretty bad.  He's a small guard type player, so I think he was wearing the wrong type of shoe anyways, so I think that all played a part.

  I always read that a pair of running shoes last about 300 miles.  So I figured one time that equals about 50 hours of court time, which always seemed to work for me.  So after 50 hours they become a pair of work shoes.  Personally, I think zoom based cushioning  has lasted a lot longer than any Adidas shoe I've worn. In fact the zoom gets softer and nicer for walking around after they have done there hoop time.  The last Adidas I wore  Kobe from way back. Awesome shoe, but the cushioning went flat after while. 

  Summary- Nike, figure out a way to bring back a long lasting full length zoom, and keep the new materials coming.
 
  Wow, I can't believe the global warming debate is now effecting my shoes.  Good grief, that is nuts.

While I do agree that the decrease in the use of Zoom sucks, although maybe the above post has something to do with it, I'm not sure I agree with the quality issue and the use of plastic.  My favorite shoe that had a lot of durability was the Ultraflight and other shoes with synthetic materials also have held up better than my old leather stuff and the fit has been much better.  I'm not sure what you call the material on the Kobe V's, maybe it's some form of plastic, but I'll take it.  It's not tupperware.  If it wears out, that will give me an excuse to buy another pair.  No old leather shoe could ever fit so well.   It seems some people are never happy.  You want new tech, but complain about it when nike puts it out. 

  As far as air cells causing ankle sprains, well that's not being very specific.  Most of my zoom based shoes have been perfect in that area, although I did try to extent my wear of my fourth pair of Ultraflight's knowing they were about shot for playing ball, and ended up spraining it pretty bad.  I did land on someone foot, but I still think if had went to my next pair like I was thinking about doing, I would have been ok.  Of course, those same shoes still lasted a long time after hoops wearing them for work etc. 

  I did have a kid on my team I was coaching sprain his ankle in a pair of the new Air Max Lebrons, which to me seem high off the ground with no outrigger or anything to help prevent a sprain.  This kid had nobody around him and sprained it pretty bad.  He's a small guard type player, so I think he was wearing the wrong type of shoe anyways, so I think that all played a part.

  I always read that a pair of running shoes last about 300 miles.  So I figured one time that equals about 50 hours of court time, which always seemed to work for me.  So after 50 hours they become a pair of work shoes.  Personally, I think zoom based cushioning  has lasted a lot longer than any Adidas shoe I've worn. In fact the zoom gets softer and nicer for walking around after they have done there hoop time.  The last Adidas I wore  Kobe from way back. Awesome shoe, but the cushioning went flat after while. 

  Summary- Nike, figure out a way to bring back a long lasting full length zoom, and keep the new materials coming.
 
Originally Posted by rayban776

  Wow, I can't believe this global warming farce is now effecting my shoes.  Good grief, that is nuts.

While I do agree that the decrease in the use of Zoom sucks, although maybe the above post has something to do with it, I'm not sure I agree with the quality issue and the use of plastic.  My favorite shoe that had a lot of durability was the Ultraflight and other shoes with synthetic materials also have held up better than my old leather stuff and the fit has been much better.  I'm not sure what you call the material on the Kobe V's, maybe it's some form of plastic, but I'll take it.  It's not tupperware.  If it wears out, that will give me an excuse to buy another pair.  No old leather shoe could ever fit so well.   It seems some people are never happy.  You want new tech, but complain about it when nike puts it out. 

  As far as air cells causing ankle sprains, well that's not being very specific.  Most of my zoom based shoes have been perfect in that area, although I did try to extent my wear of my fourth pair of Ultraflight's knowing they were about shot for playing ball, and ended up spraining it pretty bad.  I did land on someone foot, but I still think if had went to my next pair like I was thinking about doing, I would have been ok.  Of course, those same shoes still lasted a long time after hoops wearing them for work etc. 

  I did have a kid on my team I was coaching sprain his ankle in a pair of the new Air Max Lebrons, which to me seem high off the ground with no outrigger or anything to help prevent a sprain.  This kid had nobody around him and sprained it pretty bad.  He's a small guard type player, so I think he was wearing the wrong type of shoe anyways, so I think that all played a part.

  I always read that a pair of running shoes last about 300 miles.  So I figured one time that equals about 50 hours of court time, which always seemed to work for me.  So after 50 hours they become a pair of work shoes.  Personally, I think zoom based cushioning  has lasted a lot longer than any Adidas shoe I've worn. In fact the zoom gets softer and nicer for walking around after they have done there hoop time.  The last Adidas I wore  Kobe from way back. Awesome shoe, but the cushioning went flat after while. 

  Summary- Nike, figure out a way to bring back a long lasting full length zoom, and keep the new materials coming.
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Now......I just know that you did not put up a link to a religious view, one to be used against scientific study, did you? This is not the thread for this, but the basis of that religious view is flawed, due the source of that view.  
  
 
Originally Posted by rayban776

  Wow, I can't believe this global warming farce is now effecting my shoes.  Good grief, that is nuts.

While I do agree that the decrease in the use of Zoom sucks, although maybe the above post has something to do with it, I'm not sure I agree with the quality issue and the use of plastic.  My favorite shoe that had a lot of durability was the Ultraflight and other shoes with synthetic materials also have held up better than my old leather stuff and the fit has been much better.  I'm not sure what you call the material on the Kobe V's, maybe it's some form of plastic, but I'll take it.  It's not tupperware.  If it wears out, that will give me an excuse to buy another pair.  No old leather shoe could ever fit so well.   It seems some people are never happy.  You want new tech, but complain about it when nike puts it out. 

  As far as air cells causing ankle sprains, well that's not being very specific.  Most of my zoom based shoes have been perfect in that area, although I did try to extent my wear of my fourth pair of Ultraflight's knowing they were about shot for playing ball, and ended up spraining it pretty bad.  I did land on someone foot, but I still think if had went to my next pair like I was thinking about doing, I would have been ok.  Of course, those same shoes still lasted a long time after hoops wearing them for work etc. 

  I did have a kid on my team I was coaching sprain his ankle in a pair of the new Air Max Lebrons, which to me seem high off the ground with no outrigger or anything to help prevent a sprain.  This kid had nobody around him and sprained it pretty bad.  He's a small guard type player, so I think he was wearing the wrong type of shoe anyways, so I think that all played a part.

  I always read that a pair of running shoes last about 300 miles.  So I figured one time that equals about 50 hours of court time, which always seemed to work for me.  So after 50 hours they become a pair of work shoes.  Personally, I think zoom based cushioning  has lasted a lot longer than any Adidas shoe I've worn. In fact the zoom gets softer and nicer for walking around after they have done there hoop time.  The last Adidas I wore  Kobe from way back. Awesome shoe, but the cushioning went flat after while. 

  Summary- Nike, figure out a way to bring back a long lasting full length zoom, and keep the new materials coming.
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Now......I just know that you did not put up a link to a religious view, one to be used against scientific study, did you? This is not the thread for this, but the basis of that religious view is flawed, due the source of that view.  
  
 
Originally Posted by rayban776

 So why are you trying to start a debate then.  I'll keep it to sneaks from now on.
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Which it is supposed to be. If you wish to debate religion versus science, I am sure that you know wear the General Forum is. If you start a thread on that subject there, I'd be glad to join.

Right we are talkng about the seemingly inability of Nike making a durable shoe, that continuously protects the foot for more than a few wears.   

  
 
Originally Posted by rayban776

 So why are you trying to start a debate then.  I'll keep it to sneaks from now on.
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Which it is supposed to be. If you wish to debate religion versus science, I am sure that you know wear the General Forum is. If you start a thread on that subject there, I'd be glad to join.

Right we are talkng about the seemingly inability of Nike making a durable shoe, that continuously protects the foot for more than a few wears.   

  
 
Originally Posted by Nat Turner

rayban776 wrote:
 So why are you trying to start a debate then.  I'll keep it to sneaks from now on.
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Which it is supposed to be. If you wish to debate religion versus science, I am sure that you know wear the General Forum is. If you start a thread on that subject there, I'd be glad to join.

Right we are talkng about the seemingly inability of Nike making a durable shoe, that continuously protects the foot for more than a few wears.   

  



Nat so are you honestly saying that NIKE does not make a durable shoe that offers protection at all? You dont honestly believe that do you?
 
Originally Posted by Nat Turner

rayban776 wrote:
 So why are you trying to start a debate then.  I'll keep it to sneaks from now on.
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Which it is supposed to be. If you wish to debate religion versus science, I am sure that you know wear the General Forum is. If you start a thread on that subject there, I'd be glad to join.

Right we are talkng about the seemingly inability of Nike making a durable shoe, that continuously protects the foot for more than a few wears.   

  



Nat so are you honestly saying that NIKE does not make a durable shoe that offers protection at all? You dont honestly believe that do you?
 
Originally Posted by 3onPar5

Originally Posted by Nat Turner

rayban776 wrote:
 So why are you trying to start a debate then.  I'll keep it to sneaks from now on.
Click to expand...
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Which it is supposed to be. If you wish to debate religion versus science, I am sure that you know wear the General Forum is. If you start a thread on that subject there, I'd be glad to join.

Right we are talkng about the seemingly inability of Nike making a durable shoe, that continuously protects the foot for more than a few wears.   

  
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Nat so are you honestly saying that NIKE does not make a durable shoe that offers protection at all? You dont honestly believe that do you?


For the first few wears, yes. But after a month of seriously hard hoop runs, no. Adidas AND Reebok, then New Balance all win that battle, hands down.

Some Niketop tier hoops shoes have issues right out of the box, thus the video I posted.

Wanna see it again?

 
Originally Posted by 3onPar5

Originally Posted by Nat Turner

rayban776 wrote:
 So why are you trying to start a debate then.  I'll keep it to sneaks from now on.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Which it is supposed to be. If you wish to debate religion versus science, I am sure that you know wear the General Forum is. If you start a thread on that subject there, I'd be glad to join.

Right we are talkng about the seemingly inability of Nike making a durable shoe, that continuously protects the foot for more than a few wears.   

  
Click to expand...



Nat so are you honestly saying that NIKE does not make a durable shoe that offers protection at all? You dont honestly believe that do you?


For the first few wears, yes. But after a month of seriously hard hoop runs, no. Adidas AND Reebok, then New Balance all win that battle, hands down.

Some Niketop tier hoops shoes have issues right out of the box, thus the video I posted.

Wanna see it again?

 
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