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I don't smoke guys
***The Official Legalization of Cannabis Thread***
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^I see nothing wrong with trying to protect minors.
those rules were probably put in place to try and make the law serious.. akin to drinking laws.
those rules were probably put in place to try and make the law serious.. akin to drinking laws.
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^I see nothing wrong with trying to protect minors.
those rules were probably put in place to try and make the law serious.. akin to drinking laws.
those rules were probably put in place to try and make the law serious.. akin to drinking laws.
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the way i see it... prop 19 is better than nothing. we can make changes as we go but right now its a good starting point. if people dont vote this in who knows when the next possibility will be.Originally Posted by Futuristic
DING DING DINGOriginally Posted by akaValentino
quick reply before I dip out for class:
primarily it's because it's funded and ran by a few MJ activist who have made good money in the industry who now want to have a monopoly operating in Oakland.
many tobacco big wigs have already investing in property and copyrighting cannabis slang in preparation if Proposition does pass. These are the same people who
use extra additives into cigarettes to gain the effects your receive, what makes you think they won't do the same to cut costs in the production of marijuana?
also because of the stricter laws that will be enforced if you're smoking with, distributing, or plain ol' burning up a doobie in front of an individual under 21.
the proposition is just poorly written were it leaves so much room for local authority to govern however they feel is necessary within that given time and
within the certain parameters of a city who allows it, and a city where they don't.
here is an excerpt from Wikipedia of Prop 19 Authorization and Civil Penalties:
-- Every person 18 years of age or older who hires, employs, or uses a minor in transporting, carrying, selling, giving away marijuana, or knowingly sells or gives away marijuana to
someone under the age of 14, shall be imprisoned in state prison for a period of three, five, or seven years.
-- Every person 18 years of age or older who knowingly sells or gives away marijuana to someone older than the age of 14 but younger than 18,
shall be imprisoned in the state prison for a period of three, four, or five years.
-- Every person 21 years of age or over who knowingly sells or gives away marijuana to someone older than the age of 18 but younger than 21,
shall be imprisoned in county jail for up to six months and fined up to $1,000 per offense.
pretty messed up right? Most legal experts agree that Prop 19 is poorly written and will leave police and judges to enforce it at their discretion. For example, consuming
cannabis would be illegal in the same "space" as a minor. Police and judges are free to interpret the word "space" to mean the same room, house, or entire apartment complex.
the hell does all that mean? you can get arrested for having a blunt at a show now... AHHH %!@$ THAT!
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the way i see it... prop 19 is better than nothing. we can make changes as we go but right now its a good starting point. if people dont vote this in who knows when the next possibility will be.Originally Posted by Futuristic
DING DING DINGOriginally Posted by akaValentino
quick reply before I dip out for class:
primarily it's because it's funded and ran by a few MJ activist who have made good money in the industry who now want to have a monopoly operating in Oakland.
many tobacco big wigs have already investing in property and copyrighting cannabis slang in preparation if Proposition does pass. These are the same people who
use extra additives into cigarettes to gain the effects your receive, what makes you think they won't do the same to cut costs in the production of marijuana?
also because of the stricter laws that will be enforced if you're smoking with, distributing, or plain ol' burning up a doobie in front of an individual under 21.
the proposition is just poorly written were it leaves so much room for local authority to govern however they feel is necessary within that given time and
within the certain parameters of a city who allows it, and a city where they don't.
here is an excerpt from Wikipedia of Prop 19 Authorization and Civil Penalties:
-- Every person 18 years of age or older who hires, employs, or uses a minor in transporting, carrying, selling, giving away marijuana, or knowingly sells or gives away marijuana to
someone under the age of 14, shall be imprisoned in state prison for a period of three, five, or seven years.
-- Every person 18 years of age or older who knowingly sells or gives away marijuana to someone older than the age of 14 but younger than 18,
shall be imprisoned in the state prison for a period of three, four, or five years.
-- Every person 21 years of age or over who knowingly sells or gives away marijuana to someone older than the age of 18 but younger than 21,
shall be imprisoned in county jail for up to six months and fined up to $1,000 per offense.
pretty messed up right? Most legal experts agree that Prop 19 is poorly written and will leave police and judges to enforce it at their discretion. For example, consuming
cannabis would be illegal in the same "space" as a minor. Police and judges are free to interpret the word "space" to mean the same room, house, or entire apartment complex.
the hell does all that mean? you can get arrested for having a blunt at a show now... AHHH %!@$ THAT!
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thanks man imma check this out
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thanks man imma check this out
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Survey: 80% Of Pennsylvanians Support Medical Marijuana
Published on 10-17-2010 04:17 AM
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A bill has been introduced in the Pennsylvania Legislature to legalize the medicinal use of marijuana -- and a new survey shows that about 80 percent of state voters support the move.
"Even though there is broad popular support for legalizing medical marijuana in the state, prospects for its legalization seem slim," wrote pollsters G. Terry Madonna and Berwood Yost, both Franklin & Marshall College staffers.
The poll also showed that only 33 percent of the state's voters favor the outright legalization of marijuana, reports David Warner of the Mechanicsburg Patriot-News.
The medical marijuana bill, introduced by Rep. Mark Cohen (D-Philadelphia), has set off a hot debate between those who see marijuana as medicine, and those who claim the bill is merely a stepping stone to completely legalize cannabis.
Cohen concedes that he does not yet have the votes to pass the bill, but said he is sure the time will come.
Leading the opposition to the medical marijuana bill is Rep. Matthew Baker (R-Tioga County), who claims that the bill is actually a "Trojan horse to legalize the use of pot throughout the nation."
To buttress his case, Baker quotes an inaccurate and discredited 2006 FDA report that says "No sound scientific studies supported medical use of marijuana for treatment in the United States."
Baker claimed that Cohen, of Philadelphia, "represents a far more liberal constituency" than some other legislators, including himself.
"Support for legalizing marijuana declines with age, among self-described conservatives, and with born-again Christians," the survey report unsurprisingly says.
But that's just the bad news, and there's plenty of good news, too.
"Just about every demographic group supports the use of medical marijuana, but the likelihood of supporting it is higher among women than men, among liberals and moderates than conservatives, and among those who do not consider themselves born-again Christians," authors Cohen and Baker point out.
There are about 40,000 marijuana arrests in Pennsylvania every year, according to Chris Goldstein, communications director at Philly NORML. Goldstein guesstimated that one in three adults in Pennsylvania uses cannabis.
Cohen, who is chairman of the House Health Committee, where Democrats hold the majority, dismissed the complaints of critics who claim that marijuana can be addictive and can lead to harder drug use.
"It may be as addictive as chocolate," Cohen said.
Cohen argued that cannabis is already widely available. "People who want marijuana know how to get it," he said.
He compared the legalization of marijuana to changing the laws about gambling. Years ago, Cohen noted, the illegal numbers racket in most American cities made money off gambling. Then the state decided to get into the lottery business, and the money -- rather than going to bookies -- now goes to help senior citizens.
But even with wide public support, Cohen concedes he doesn't yet have the support of enough politicians to pass the bill in the Pennsylvania Legislature.
"I think people are used to striking an anti-drug pose," Cohen said.
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Published on 10-17-2010 04:17 AM
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A bill has been introduced in the Pennsylvania Legislature to legalize the medicinal use of marijuana -- and a new survey shows that about 80 percent of state voters support the move.
"Even though there is broad popular support for legalizing medical marijuana in the state, prospects for its legalization seem slim," wrote pollsters G. Terry Madonna and Berwood Yost, both Franklin & Marshall College staffers.
The poll also showed that only 33 percent of the state's voters favor the outright legalization of marijuana, reports David Warner of the Mechanicsburg Patriot-News.
The medical marijuana bill, introduced by Rep. Mark Cohen (D-Philadelphia), has set off a hot debate between those who see marijuana as medicine, and those who claim the bill is merely a stepping stone to completely legalize cannabis.
Cohen concedes that he does not yet have the votes to pass the bill, but said he is sure the time will come.
Leading the opposition to the medical marijuana bill is Rep. Matthew Baker (R-Tioga County), who claims that the bill is actually a "Trojan horse to legalize the use of pot throughout the nation."
To buttress his case, Baker quotes an inaccurate and discredited 2006 FDA report that says "No sound scientific studies supported medical use of marijuana for treatment in the United States."
Baker claimed that Cohen, of Philadelphia, "represents a far more liberal constituency" than some other legislators, including himself.
"Support for legalizing marijuana declines with age, among self-described conservatives, and with born-again Christians," the survey report unsurprisingly says.
But that's just the bad news, and there's plenty of good news, too.
"Just about every demographic group supports the use of medical marijuana, but the likelihood of supporting it is higher among women than men, among liberals and moderates than conservatives, and among those who do not consider themselves born-again Christians," authors Cohen and Baker point out.
There are about 40,000 marijuana arrests in Pennsylvania every year, according to Chris Goldstein, communications director at Philly NORML. Goldstein guesstimated that one in three adults in Pennsylvania uses cannabis.
Cohen, who is chairman of the House Health Committee, where Democrats hold the majority, dismissed the complaints of critics who claim that marijuana can be addictive and can lead to harder drug use.
"It may be as addictive as chocolate," Cohen said.
Cohen argued that cannabis is already widely available. "People who want marijuana know how to get it," he said.
He compared the legalization of marijuana to changing the laws about gambling. Years ago, Cohen noted, the illegal numbers racket in most American cities made money off gambling. Then the state decided to get into the lottery business, and the money -- rather than going to bookies -- now goes to help senior citizens.
But even with wide public support, Cohen concedes he doesn't yet have the support of enough politicians to pass the bill in the Pennsylvania Legislature.
"I think people are used to striking an anti-drug pose," Cohen said.
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Survey: 80% Of Pennsylvanians Support Medical Marijuana
Published on 10-17-2010 04:17 AM
0 Comments Comments
A bill has been introduced in the Pennsylvania Legislature to legalize the medicinal use of marijuana -- and a new survey shows that about 80 percent of state voters support the move.
"Even though there is broad popular support for legalizing medical marijuana in the state, prospects for its legalization seem slim," wrote pollsters G. Terry Madonna and Berwood Yost, both Franklin & Marshall College staffers.
The poll also showed that only 33 percent of the state's voters favor the outright legalization of marijuana, reports David Warner of the Mechanicsburg Patriot-News.
The medical marijuana bill, introduced by Rep. Mark Cohen (D-Philadelphia), has set off a hot debate between those who see marijuana as medicine, and those who claim the bill is merely a stepping stone to completely legalize cannabis.
Cohen concedes that he does not yet have the votes to pass the bill, but said he is sure the time will come.
Leading the opposition to the medical marijuana bill is Rep. Matthew Baker (R-Tioga County), who claims that the bill is actually a "Trojan horse to legalize the use of pot throughout the nation."
To buttress his case, Baker quotes an inaccurate and discredited 2006 FDA report that says "No sound scientific studies supported medical use of marijuana for treatment in the United States."
Baker claimed that Cohen, of Philadelphia, "represents a far more liberal constituency" than some other legislators, including himself.
"Support for legalizing marijuana declines with age, among self-described conservatives, and with born-again Christians," the survey report unsurprisingly says.
But that's just the bad news, and there's plenty of good news, too.
"Just about every demographic group supports the use of medical marijuana, but the likelihood of supporting it is higher among women than men, among liberals and moderates than conservatives, and among those who do not consider themselves born-again Christians," authors Cohen and Baker point out.
There are about 40,000 marijuana arrests in Pennsylvania every year, according to Chris Goldstein, communications director at Philly NORML. Goldstein guesstimated that one in three adults in Pennsylvania uses cannabis.
Cohen, who is chairman of the House Health Committee, where Democrats hold the majority, dismissed the complaints of critics who claim that marijuana can be addictive and can lead to harder drug use.
"It may be as addictive as chocolate," Cohen said.
Cohen argued that cannabis is already widely available. "People who want marijuana know how to get it," he said.
He compared the legalization of marijuana to changing the laws about gambling. Years ago, Cohen noted, the illegal numbers racket in most American cities made money off gambling. Then the state decided to get into the lottery business, and the money -- rather than going to bookies -- now goes to help senior citizens.
But even with wide public support, Cohen concedes he doesn't yet have the support of enough politicians to pass the bill in the Pennsylvania Legislature.
"I think people are used to striking an anti-drug pose," Cohen said.
via sinemilla
Published on 10-17-2010 04:17 AM
0 Comments Comments
A bill has been introduced in the Pennsylvania Legislature to legalize the medicinal use of marijuana -- and a new survey shows that about 80 percent of state voters support the move.
"Even though there is broad popular support for legalizing medical marijuana in the state, prospects for its legalization seem slim," wrote pollsters G. Terry Madonna and Berwood Yost, both Franklin & Marshall College staffers.
The poll also showed that only 33 percent of the state's voters favor the outright legalization of marijuana, reports David Warner of the Mechanicsburg Patriot-News.
The medical marijuana bill, introduced by Rep. Mark Cohen (D-Philadelphia), has set off a hot debate between those who see marijuana as medicine, and those who claim the bill is merely a stepping stone to completely legalize cannabis.
Cohen concedes that he does not yet have the votes to pass the bill, but said he is sure the time will come.
Leading the opposition to the medical marijuana bill is Rep. Matthew Baker (R-Tioga County), who claims that the bill is actually a "Trojan horse to legalize the use of pot throughout the nation."
To buttress his case, Baker quotes an inaccurate and discredited 2006 FDA report that says "No sound scientific studies supported medical use of marijuana for treatment in the United States."
Baker claimed that Cohen, of Philadelphia, "represents a far more liberal constituency" than some other legislators, including himself.
"Support for legalizing marijuana declines with age, among self-described conservatives, and with born-again Christians," the survey report unsurprisingly says.
But that's just the bad news, and there's plenty of good news, too.
"Just about every demographic group supports the use of medical marijuana, but the likelihood of supporting it is higher among women than men, among liberals and moderates than conservatives, and among those who do not consider themselves born-again Christians," authors Cohen and Baker point out.
There are about 40,000 marijuana arrests in Pennsylvania every year, according to Chris Goldstein, communications director at Philly NORML. Goldstein guesstimated that one in three adults in Pennsylvania uses cannabis.
Cohen, who is chairman of the House Health Committee, where Democrats hold the majority, dismissed the complaints of critics who claim that marijuana can be addictive and can lead to harder drug use.
"It may be as addictive as chocolate," Cohen said.
Cohen argued that cannabis is already widely available. "People who want marijuana know how to get it," he said.
He compared the legalization of marijuana to changing the laws about gambling. Years ago, Cohen noted, the illegal numbers racket in most American cities made money off gambling. Then the state decided to get into the lottery business, and the money -- rather than going to bookies -- now goes to help senior citizens.
But even with wide public support, Cohen concedes he doesn't yet have the support of enough politicians to pass the bill in the Pennsylvania Legislature.
"I think people are used to striking an anti-drug pose," Cohen said.
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for those of you interested in the marijuana laws for your state
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4516
good thread
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4516
good thread
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for those of you interested in the marijuana laws for your state
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4516
good thread
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4516
good thread
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I'm holding off on my medical evaluation until after the elections, but I've come to the realization that I should probably vote no on prop 19. Having it decriminalized was a HUGE step in itself.
Keep it home grown and local. We don't need the corporate influence and the extra laws that will come with prop 19.
Keep it home grown and local. We don't need the corporate influence and the extra laws that will come with prop 19.
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I'm holding off on my medical evaluation until after the elections, but I've come to the realization that I should probably vote no on prop 19. Having it decriminalized was a HUGE step in itself.
Keep it home grown and local. We don't need the corporate influence and the extra laws that will come with prop 19.
Keep it home grown and local. We don't need the corporate influence and the extra laws that will come with prop 19.
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^interesting. so you'd rather have the status quo than approve one that you deem flawed?
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is keeping the corporate influence out of it worth all the money used to house people jailed for marijuana though?
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is keeping the corporate influence out of it worth all the money used to house people jailed for marijuana though?
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^interesting. so you'd rather have the status quo than approve one that you deem flawed?
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The penalties look like they'd stay the same, except for an increase in the fine.
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The penalties look like they'd stay the same, except for an increase in the fine.
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basically, weed in california is legal already, u just gotta get a cannabis card so cops wont F wit u. a lot of people are against it because when it becomes fully legalized, ur neighborhood drug dealers will stop eating, cannabis clubs will shut down because major companies like walmart, target, and probably gas stations on every corner will have marijuana on deck like its alcohol. government will tax the F outta everyone using/selling marijuana.
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basically, weed in california is legal already, u just gotta get a cannabis card so cops wont F wit u. a lot of people are against it because when it becomes fully legalized, ur neighborhood drug dealers will stop eating, cannabis clubs will shut down because major companies like walmart, target, and probably gas stations on every corner will have marijuana on deck like its alcohol. government will tax the F outta everyone using/selling marijuana.
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Because. Right now the power is in the hands of the growers. Growers are people. People demand less money than corporations. Growers are happy with what they're doing and what they're making right now. And what they're making in the Bay at least, makes me quite happy.
If it's legalized, the game will be taken over by corporations. And as far as money goes, corporations are insatiable. The focus will no longer be on the product, it will be on the profit. Believe me when I tell you, that is not a good thing for the consumers.
After reading the proposed restrictions on legalization, I actually feel that it would be more dangerous for me. Right now it's decriminalized. Outside of blowing smoke in a baby's face, no one really cares what I do with weed.
The ONLY benefit I see from legalizing marijuana is the possible help it could be to California's economy. I'm sure there's some way something could be amended and a portion of all the money were spending on bud could go to helping us dig our way out of this
Unfortunately, since the underground world has been busy at their studies all these years while cannabis has been illegal for no good reason, knowledge is no longer hard to come by. People can easily learn how to grow some fire all by themselves.
Cliffnotes:
-Attempts to make bud into a big industry will kill quality
-Who knows what other crap will be added to it
-The new rules that would come with legalization actually look scarier than the ones we have now
-The only upside to legalization would be money for whoever takes over the game. Which hurts me plenty and helps me none.
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Because. Right now the power is in the hands of the growers. Growers are people. People demand less money than corporations. Growers are happy with what they're doing and what they're making right now. And what they're making in the Bay at least, makes me quite happy.
If it's legalized, the game will be taken over by corporations. And as far as money goes, corporations are insatiable. The focus will no longer be on the product, it will be on the profit. Believe me when I tell you, that is not a good thing for the consumers.
After reading the proposed restrictions on legalization, I actually feel that it would be more dangerous for me. Right now it's decriminalized. Outside of blowing smoke in a baby's face, no one really cares what I do with weed.
The ONLY benefit I see from legalizing marijuana is the possible help it could be to California's economy. I'm sure there's some way something could be amended and a portion of all the money were spending on bud could go to helping us dig our way out of this
Unfortunately, since the underground world has been busy at their studies all these years while cannabis has been illegal for no good reason, knowledge is no longer hard to come by. People can easily learn how to grow some fire all by themselves.
Cliffnotes:
-Attempts to make bud into a big industry will kill quality
-Who knows what other crap will be added to it
-The new rules that would come with legalization actually look scarier than the ones we have now
-The only upside to legalization would be money for whoever takes over the game. Which hurts me plenty and helps me none.