OK so Clemens is a Fraud...so who do you think is the best pitcher of "our generation" ?

The Cleveland Indians disagree.

Hey before this season Johan was 7-2 against you all

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Originally Posted by MFr3shM

You already know the best trio.

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earlier, I wrote:

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I'm going to go with Maddux, but I won't feel good about myself making this reply without at least mentioning Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, or Pedro Martinez.

Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling were money for the D'Backs World Series victory, and Schilling has been on point for the Red Sox, but off the top, I'm thinking Schilling's years with the Phils weren't impressive enough to warrant 'best pitcher of our generation.' let me go check that before setting that opinion in concrete, though.
O.K., on that...

Schilling: pitching since '88, and only has 5 seasons where his ERA was under 3.00, with three of those five seasons being 2.95, 2.97, and 2.98. Of theother 2 remaining, one of them was in a season with the O's where he was 1 - 2. Also, no Gold Gloves.

Randy Johnson: pitching since '88, but he has 8 seasons under 3.00, with the highest of those being 2.64. Also, he had a 4-year stretch of sub-3.00 ERAs.Also, immediately before those 4 years, he finished the previous season by pitching 11 games with the Astros; he was 10 - 1, 1.28 in those eleven games.

Also, no Gold Gloves.

Pedro: pitching since '92, and has 11 seasons where his ERA finished below 3.00, INCLUDING 2 season where he dipped below 2.00 (1.90 in '97 withMontreal; 1.74 in 2000 with the Red Sox). Not to mention 2.07 in '99 with the Red Sox. Also, no Gold Gloves.

Maddux: pitching since '86 and has 9 sub-3.00 seasons, including a very impressive stretch of 7 in a row from '92-'98. And that stretch includedback-to-back sub 2.00 seasons (1.56 in '94; 1.63 in the Braves World Series winning 1995 season). And 17... SEVENTEEN... Gold Gloves.

Son, 17?!

I knew, I mean, we all know Maddux fields his position VERY well. But I had no idea dude had 17 Gold Gloves.

Briefly researching the Gold Glove, I'm pretty sure that's more than anyone, at any position, ever.

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Maddux: pitching since '86 and has 9 sub-3.00 seasons, including a very impressive stretch of 7 in a row from '92-'98. And that stretch included back-to-back sub 2.00 seasons (1.56 in '94; 1.63 in the Braves World Series winning 1995 season). And 17... SEVENTEEN... Gold Gloves.

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Ska said:
Maddux: pitching since '86 and has 9 sub-3.00 seasons, including a very impressive stretch of 7 in a row from '92-'98. And that stretch included back-to-back sub 2.00 seasons (1.56 in '94; 1.63 in the Braves World Series winning 1995 season). And 17... SEVENTEEN... Gold Gloves.
You might want to go back and delete your line about Maddux never having a "lights out" period in his career.

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I knew, I mean, we all know Maddux fields his position VERY well. But I had no idea dude had 17 Gold Gloves.

Briefly researching the Gold Glove, I'm pretty sure that's more than anyone, at any position, ever.

Yup....

17 - Greg Maddux, P
16 - Jim Kaat, P
16 - Brooks Robinson, 3B
13 - Ozzie Smith, SS
13 - Ivan Rodriguez, C
12 - Roberto Clemente, OF
12 - Willie Mays, OF

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CarlMonday

You should be a member of NT detectives...

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