Originally Posted by CP1708
They showed the destruction of Krypton. They showed a deep, and full rendering of a young boy learning from his father how to be human, and not alien. An alien that could squash the entire planet if he went another way.
They had a villain, with absolute purpose. Who in some reality, wasn't even a villain, he was trying to rebuild his people. It had a balance between wanting to rebuild a people, but by tearing down another planet to do so.
It put the weight of that on this alien living among us, who showed him plenty of bad, and forced him to choose between building his own kind up, or saving the world he currently lived on.
All that, and the very people he's trying to save stick guns in his direction and fire.
That's like saying check my stats. MoS is the Vince Carter of superhero movies.
Tell me, Batman did what? Save a single city. Ironman got out of a cave after feeling bad for selling weapons. Thor had daddy issues.
It shows restraint, and even says something about how well those stories and characters were expressed, that those lowerkey stakes meant more. I remember reading this Damon Lindelof interview, where he explained the pressures of writing a blockbuster film and that...once someone gives you $100M+ to make a movie...you almost HAVE to save the world. I mean, all
Kick-*** did was take down his ex-friend's mob dad at his house and that was a great movie.
They all work, but don't spin me that all that somehow dwarfs what MOS brought to the table. No damn way those movies are superior to MOS. Not saying the movie is perfect, but it absolutely belongs in that group of Marvel films and Batman Begins.
I have this feeling that Snyder, Goyer, and the rest never had a chance with some people. Not sure why, but seems to be a lot of resistance where I don't see a need. The movie FAR surpassed the previous films, it holds just as well as the Marvel origins, and can compare to the first Bale Bat. It delivered great dialogue, solid casting and quality performances. The action was clearly up to par. The beauty, and shots/imagery was there. The villain was every bit the others. Joker and Loki and Bane can make their case, but Zod was better than Scarecrow, or Iron Man's boss, or Red Skull. And Costner can match what Liam gave Bruce Wayne in terms of guidance.
I don't see the beef. To be called fake, and lacking story sounds like predetermined judgements before even being seen.
Yeah, all the ideas were there, and the cast came together, and the effects were all good, but Zack Snyder is the Mike D'antoni of filmmaking. It's just always gonna be style over substance for him. And it's almost the worst thing you could do to ask him to put substance in, because he'll make you regret it.
It's like when someone dumb uses a big word they don't really know. If you don't care or you're not paying attention or you're just proud of them for trying, good on em. If you do care, you're just going
the whole time. It feels like Snyder made a cheatsheet of little clips from Terence Malick and Friday Night Lights
and Batman Begins
It's not a film, it's a scrapbook. It doesn't really tell an honest story or earn its moment. It just hides behind the FNL cinematography, and follows the instructions on every scene. That's why the whole movie feels like a trailer. Cuz it's all surface. There's nothing sincere behind it, cuz he's not building characters and story for real moments. He's just tracing. And he's an incredibly good tracer. But that movie's hollow.
Hey...JJ Abrams is the same way, but I'll give him this much. He cares about character a helluva lot more than Snyder does. And it's not Snyder hate...I was one of the people saying yall should give Sucker Punch
extended a shot. But every time you think MoS
is on to something, it reminds you almost immediately that it just doesn't care about any of its characters too much. It's a "who can we waste the most" competition.
The movie is just the trailer stretched thin, and then the battle of Metropolis.