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Before I cover everything else: yes they do help.

APLConcept1.jpg

Player Profile:
6'2" 155lbs
1-2 hybrid. Generally end up having to run the point in pickup games.
Slashing guard that likes to finish around the rim or shoot midrange.
Without the APL's, my vertical was recently measured at 36" (2 feet jump off a 3 step drop)
Other shoes I've played in: almost everything.... haha. Most of my court time has been spent in Jordan XIV's, XIX's, XX3's, Lebron IV's, VII's, Flightposite I's, KD2's, KD3's, Hyperdunks, and Kobe IV's 

Packaging/Extras: 10/10

Opening up the box, the packaging is impressive. The box is very high quality and everything fits properly. It has a sliding box similar to some Lebrons, and the outer box is tight to the inside box, unlike some of the similarly boxed Lebrons and Nikes. They also come with a free gym bag which is high quality.

Comfort/Fit: 9/10

First time putting these one, they fit pretty tight. They almost bordered a foamposite shoe for snug fit. I don't know if that was due to the carbon fiber mesh uppers or what, but they were snug. However, they fit pretty true to size. The toe boxes had enough room but weren't huge like some Lebrons. I normally wear a 13 or 13.5 in Nike/Jordans depending on the cut and the 13 in APL's was perfect.

Support: 9.5/10

The APL's have a GREAT lockdown feel. Once laced properly, my foot felt like it was going nowhere. I've had issues over the last few months with the inside of my left arch blistering with my KD2's, and after two long sessions with the APL's, these issues were gone.

Cushioning: 8.5/10

The APL's had good cushioning but it wasn't mindblowing. Its blend between courtfeel and cushioning was almost ideal. Not a luxury car like the XIX SE's but still enough to where your feet don't hurt after 3 hours of ball.

Breathability: 7.5/10

Like a majority of basketball shoes, the Concept 1's didn't breath well. The carbon fiber mesh uppers are not ideal for breathability, but they didn't get super hot either (like suede XXI's). They were middle of the pack.

Quality: 10/10

These are by far the highest quality basketball shoes I've ever owned. It's hard to explain unless you've seen them in person or worn them, but they're made right with great materials. I see these taking a TON of abuse before even starting to break down.

Traction: 7/10

This was the one big weak spot for the APL's. The traction was sub par especially compared to high end basketball shoes from Nike and Jordan. The sole pattern just doesn't allow for enough grip, especially on not perfect courts. Both facilities I played at had slick/dusty courts. I'm sure they're better performers on nice courts, but on average or below average courts, I experienced a lot of sliding.

Vertical Increase and other Performance: 10/10

While I did not experience the 4-5" some people claim, I did get about 2" higher in them. Like I mentioned before, the courts were bad, so it is possible I could gain more in better courts and with some more time to adjust to them. Another thing I did notice is my legs were not tired at all after either session. I do not know if that is because of the spring effect, but I felt no fatigue either day, and I was playing pretty hard.


Overall the APL Concept 1 is a great basketball. It does instantly increase your vertical and is the best constructed basketball shoe I've ever seen. Whether or not they're worth $195 is completely up to each consumer. However, so far I am satisfied with the purchase. I hope with the next model, APL improves the traction and breathability. Otherwise, they have one of if not the best basketball shoes available today.

And just to show off a little, here's some pics of me dunking. smiley: roll

DunkoverElizabeth.jpg

ElbowinRim.jpg

btlrd3006.jpg

post #2 of 68
Thread Starter 
Before I cover everything else: yes they do help.

APLConcept1.jpg

Player Profile:
6'2" 155lbs
1-2 hybrid. Generally end up having to run the point in pickup games.
Slashing guard that likes to finish around the rim or shoot midrange.
Without the APL's, my vertical was recently measured at 36" (2 feet jump off a 3 step drop)
Other shoes I've played in: almost everything.... haha. Most of my court time has been spent in Jordan XIV's, XIX's, XX3's, Lebron IV's, VII's, Flightposite I's, KD2's, KD3's, Hyperdunks, and Kobe IV's 

Packaging/Extras: 10/10

Opening up the box, the packaging is impressive. The box is very high quality and everything fits properly. It has a sliding box similar to some Lebrons, and the outer box is tight to the inside box, unlike some of the similarly boxed Lebrons and Nikes. They also come with a free gym bag which is high quality.

Comfort/Fit: 9/10

First time putting these one, they fit pretty tight. They almost bordered a foamposite shoe for snug fit. I don't know if that was due to the carbon fiber mesh uppers or what, but they were snug. However, they fit pretty true to size. The toe boxes had enough room but weren't huge like some Lebrons. I normally wear a 13 or 13.5 in Nike/Jordans depending on the cut and the 13 in APL's was perfect.

Support: 9.5/10

The APL's have a GREAT lockdown feel. Once laced properly, my foot felt like it was going nowhere. I've had issues over the last few months with the inside of my left arch blistering with my KD2's, and after two long sessions with the APL's, these issues were gone.

Cushioning: 8.5/10

The APL's had good cushioning but it wasn't mindblowing. Its blend between courtfeel and cushioning was almost ideal. Not a luxury car like the XIX SE's but still enough to where your feet don't hurt after 3 hours of ball.

Breathability: 7.5/10

Like a majority of basketball shoes, the Concept 1's didn't breath well. The carbon fiber mesh uppers are not ideal for breathability, but they didn't get super hot either (like suede XXI's). They were middle of the pack.

Quality: 10/10

These are by far the highest quality basketball shoes I've ever owned. It's hard to explain unless you've seen them in person or worn them, but they're made right with great materials. I see these taking a TON of abuse before even starting to break down.

Traction: 7/10

This was the one big weak spot for the APL's. The traction was sub par especially compared to high end basketball shoes from Nike and Jordan. The sole pattern just doesn't allow for enough grip, especially on not perfect courts. Both facilities I played at had slick/dusty courts. I'm sure they're better performers on nice courts, but on average or below average courts, I experienced a lot of sliding.

Vertical Increase and other Performance: 10/10

While I did not experience the 4-5" some people claim, I did get about 2" higher in them. Like I mentioned before, the courts were bad, so it is possible I could gain more in better courts and with some more time to adjust to them. Another thing I did notice is my legs were not tired at all after either session. I do not know if that is because of the spring effect, but I felt no fatigue either day, and I was playing pretty hard.


Overall the APL Concept 1 is a great basketball. It does instantly increase your vertical and is the best constructed basketball shoe I've ever seen. Whether or not they're worth $195 is completely up to each consumer. However, so far I am satisfied with the purchase. I hope with the next model, APL improves the traction and breathability. Otherwise, they have one of if not the best basketball shoes available today.

And just to show off a little, here's some pics of me dunking. smiley: roll

DunkoverElizabeth.jpg

ElbowinRim.jpg

btlrd3006.jpg

post #3 of 68
Great review, I got the same pair, and have to agree 100% with everything you said.. I too am 6-2, but much heavier.. I did get a little extra (Maybe an inch +), and I have the same complaints (mainly grip and breathability).. I think it is well worth the 195...
post #4 of 68
Great review, I got the same pair, and have to agree 100% with everything you said.. I too am 6-2, but much heavier.. I did get a little extra (Maybe an inch +), and I have the same complaints (mainly grip and breathability).. I think it is well worth the 195...
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after i saw the desection of the apl's it turned me off to them. seems really bottom heavy and i'm not sure about having mini springs in my
shoes. i'm sure it's a very well-constructed shoe but just not feeling its midsole in the 1's. i hope to see a concept 2 or something. maybe apl will evolve their load n launch tech by then.
post #8 of 68
after i saw the desection of the apl's it turned me off to them. seems really bottom heavy and i'm not sure about having mini springs in my
shoes. i'm sure it's a very well-constructed shoe but just not feeling its midsole in the 1's. i hope to see a concept 2 or something. maybe apl will evolve their load n launch tech by then.
post #9 of 68
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Teddy: Thanks man. Glad to hear others with the APL's agree with the review. I think if a shoe can legitimately improve your performance, they're well worth $195.

cbfpunch: They're not nearly as bottom heavy as you would assume from the dissection. Plus I can't think of a single shoe someone dissected and people were happy with what they found.

I hope the APL 2 (if released) has a better sole pattern to improve traction. I think a herringbone-style would do wonders for this shoe traction wise.
post #10 of 68
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Teddy: Thanks man. Glad to hear others with the APL's agree with the review. I think if a shoe can legitimately improve your performance, they're well worth $195.

cbfpunch: They're not nearly as bottom heavy as you would assume from the dissection. Plus I can't think of a single shoe someone dissected and people were happy with what they found.

I hope the APL 2 (if released) has a better sole pattern to improve traction. I think a herringbone-style would do wonders for this shoe traction wise.
post #11 of 68
damn. I really wanna try this shoe. but springs? I don't know how to feel... but if they improve performance... why not right?
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damn. I really wanna try this shoe. but springs? I don't know how to feel... but if they improve performance... why not right?
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post #13 of 68
I highly doubt you were dunking
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I highly doubt you were dunking
post #15 of 68
How do they fit compared to the zoom kobe 5 & 6.. i go .5 up in those two shoes
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How do they fit compared to the zoom kobe 5 & 6.. i go .5 up in those two shoes
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I want to try the Concours when they drop
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I want to try the Concours when they drop
post #19 of 68
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kobeoverbron: That's exactly how I felt at first, but once I got over it I realized that they actually do help. Plus now they cost as much as foams that do nothing performance wise, so it's worth it in my opinion.

KenJi714: I can dunk. No reason to hate.


lgsarafi: I wore a 13 in the Kobe 4's and 5's along with the APL. I do have a thinner foot though so you've have to make that call for yourself. I'd probably go the same size.

I MRDR PEEPS 4 FUN: The concours look dope. Personally for a shoe like this I want them to be loud colors and such, but I wouldn't be against those if I found them at the right price.
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kobeoverbron: That's exactly how I felt at first, but once I got over it I realized that they actually do help. Plus now they cost as much as foams that do nothing performance wise, so it's worth it in my opinion.

KenJi714: I can dunk. No reason to hate.


lgsarafi: I wore a 13 in the Kobe 4's and 5's along with the APL. I do have a thinner foot though so you've have to make that call for yourself. I'd probably go the same size.

I MRDR PEEPS 4 FUN: The concours look dope. Personally for a shoe like this I want them to be loud colors and such, but I wouldn't be against those if I found them at the right price.
post #21 of 68
you can't dunk though..

as stated in the vid, the rim is 9'8" and it's also not dunking when you bring the rim down a few inches to throw the dunk down.
post #22 of 68
you can't dunk though..

as stated in the vid, the rim is 9'8" and it's also not dunking when you bring the rim down a few inches to throw the dunk down.
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Actually I can... I just figured showing tougher dunks on a lower rim would be more impressive than basic dunks on 10ft

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Actually I can... I just figured showing tougher dunks on a lower rim would be more impressive than basic dunks on 10ft

post #25 of 68
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you can def dunk bro. wondering why people hating on you. lol.
you still using the apl? or you back on nikes?
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you can def dunk bro. wondering why people hating on you. lol.
you still using the apl? or you back on nikes?
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Originally Posted by kobeoverbron

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you can def dunk bro. wondering why people hating on you. lol.
you still using the apl? or you back on nikes?


Hah thanks man. I'm not sure why they're hating either, but it's probably because they can't dunk... hah.

I'm still using the APL's but I rotate. I've honestly only played three times since posting the review. Two times were in the APL's, and once was in my old Nikes. That time was outdoors on an awful court so I didn't want to jack them up. Hopefully the Concours coming out soon have a better tread pattern because that's really the only thing holding these back.

Everything about the original review still holds true.
  
post #28 of 68
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Originally Posted by kobeoverbron

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you can def dunk bro. wondering why people hating on you. lol.
you still using the apl? or you back on nikes?


Hah thanks man. I'm not sure why they're hating either, but it's probably because they can't dunk... hah.

I'm still using the APL's but I rotate. I've honestly only played three times since posting the review. Two times were in the APL's, and once was in my old Nikes. That time was outdoors on an awful court so I didn't want to jack them up. Hopefully the Concours coming out soon have a better tread pattern because that's really the only thing holding these back.

Everything about the original review still holds true.
  
post #29 of 68
regarding the concours, is it just me or do they seem to have
NO TRACTION PATTERN at all? checked the pics online and they
seem to have nothing. just a flat surface. are they just relying
on the surface to stick? the kind of material they use?
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regarding the concours, is it just me or do they seem to have
NO TRACTION PATTERN at all? checked the pics online and they
seem to have nothing. just a flat surface. are they just relying
on the surface to stick? the kind of material they use?
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