The Official Anime & Manga Thread Vol: 三

[2sappy]

that would be my guess... either that or there's a glitch in the matrix...
dudes flash stepping all over the place now

He went on Gamefaqs.com and downloaded a hacked save file.

 

[spidermachine916]

he's about that game genie life now...

 

[dakingii]

I dont see the hype in SAO at all.

I just watched all the episodes out so far and i really wasnt impressed at all. People were making it seem like this was one of the greatest animes ever but its really not all that.

 

[blakep267]

Does Madara even know who the 3rd is??? There's been nothing to support that he's been in contact with the 3rd. The guy has been in a cave for who knows how long. But no one answered my question. You guys just keep going over it. If the first was so strong and bad how come he couldn't kill a 70 year miserable old man??? I mean it's not like he was immortal, in his prime, had the 2nd hokage on his side, and orochimaru fighting with him. Oh wait, he did.

I showed you the panels. They acted as bodyguards for oro and only attacked Hiruzen when he attacked. They were not fighting him. Orochimaru was basically taunting Hiruzen with his old masters. Not once did we see Tobirama do any space time techniques.You're literally an idiot if you keep asking that question. This is not the anime. Also they were mindless for the last time. The kunai in the skull is the same thing Kabuto tried to do to Itachi to control him. Also there was no conversation going on between the kages, because they didnt have their minds

Also if anything, its plot no jutsu that hiruzen even survived that long at all.

 

[lexlieno]

I showed you the panels. They acted as bodyguards for oro and only attacked Hiruzen when he attacked. They were not fighting him. You're literally an idiot if you keep asking that question. This is not the anime. Also they were mindless for the last time. The kunai in the skull is the same thing Kabuto tried to do to Itachi to control him. Also there was no conversation going on between the kages, because they didnt have their minds

I'm in idiot? Dude I've literally destroyed every single point you've made. You clearly add your own stuff to the manga. They acted as bodyguards? They clearly went on the attack. The funniest part is you still didn't answer the question. It's because they couldn't. 3rd>1st. You don't even know the manga because Kabuto used a different seal than oro when it came to edo tensei, so the last portion of your post is irrelevant to the conversation. There's no way around it dude, the 3 is the strongest hokage. Deal with it.

 

[blakep267]

I'm in idiot? Dude I've literally destroyed every single point you've made. You clearly add your own stuff to the manga. They acted as bodyguards? They clearly went on the attack. The funniest part is you still didn't answer the question. It's because they couldn't. 3rd>1st. You don't even know the manga because Kabuto used a different seal than oro when it came to edo tensei, so the last portion of your post is irrelevant to the conversation. There's no way around it dude, the 3 is the strongest hokage. Deal with it.

I showed you actual pages where they stood there like zombies. Hiruzen used a katon, Tobirama used a suiton. Hiruzen used the mud wall, Hashirama used mokuton. Hiruzen summoned enma, the edo's evaded. Hiruzen summoned the death god, hashi used infinite darkness.

And kabuto had a kunai with a tag in his hand and stated now Im going to control you (itachi). Oro placed a kunai with a tag in their heads before the fight. You havent shown any panel. Youre getting delusional now in your fanboyism of a guy who wasnt even the strongets kage alive at that time. Oonoki would **** on him with his dust technique. What would he have done against Oro, probably fly around and decimate the entire arena. Raikeage with lightning speed that only a sharingan or somebody of equal speed could match. comeon now. Things have changed since then. You cannot use a 70 year old hiruzen as proof of anything, since he wasnt that strong in his old age. Kishi has clearly made stronger characters

You have no argument. Iruka's statement came before Kishi created a bunch of other characters and techniques. And Hiruzen didnt dominate anybody. Your done kid. Youre now blocked

 

[2sappy]

Anyone catch the show Aoi Sekai No Chuushin De? It's an action adventure anime where all of the characters in the series are parodies of actual characters from nintendo and sega games. I have yet to figure out who all the characters are parodies of so far, but the ones i have seen have made me laugh.
So far, tails was killed in front of Sonic by soldiers sent by Mario from the evil nintendo empire.

 

[jubilantoutlier]

I showed you the panels. They acted as bodyguards for oro and only attacked Hiruzen when he attacked. They were not fighting him. You're literally an idiot if you keep asking that question. This is not the anime. Also they were mindless for the last time. The kunai in the skull is the same thing Kabuto tried to do to Itachi to control him. Also there was no conversation going on between the kages, because they didnt have their minds

I'm in idiot? Dude I've literally destroyed every single point you've made. You clearly add your own stuff to the manga. They acted as bodyguards? They clearly went on the attack. The funniest part is you still didn't answer the question. It's because they couldn't. 3rd>1st. You don't even know the manga because Kabuto used a different seal than oro when it came to edo tensei, so the last portion of your post is irrelevant to the conversation. There's no way around it dude, the 3 is the strongest hokage. Deal with it.

I see where both of you guys are coming from.  I don't agree that the 1st and 2nd were bodyguards, they were the first attack wave.  Oro put the kunai in them, which made them his mindless puppets, but the 3rd said that they were "as quick and strong as ever".  The only thing that they would lack is the strategy from their own minds.  When you compare that to what the 3rd had lost (He was old as hell and had no chakra), the 3rd still wins out.

Kabuto himself said that Oro perfected it the jutsu.

I think that originally the 3rd was supposed to be the strongest, but because of Kishi being a douche, he contradicted himself in Shippuden. He's contradicted himself before, so it's nothing new, even if it is annoying.

 

[blakep267]

I see where both of you guys are coming from.  I don't agree that the 1st and 2nd were bodyguards, they were the first attack wave.  Oro put the kunai in them, which made them his mindless puppets, but the 3rd said that they were "as quick and strong as ever".  The only thing that they would lack is the strategy from their own minds.  When you compare that to what the 3rd had lost (He was old as hell and had no chakra), the 3rd still wins out.

Kabuto himself said that Oro perfected it the jutsu.

I think that originally the 3rd was supposed to be the strongest, but because of Kishi being a douche, he contradicted himself in Shippuden. He's contradicted himself before, so it's nothing new, even if it is annoying.

This is what Im saying. In part 1, Kishi said hiruzen was the strongest of the current kages. Yet we see years later rai and oonoki, who was about to destroy and entire island and stopped Madara's first meteor. Things change, so using a statement from back then, when we know what we know now is kinda dumb.

The only reason I said they were bodyguards is because they stood in front of Oro for the majority of the battle. We didnt see them do any battle strategy, or anything like a ninja would actually do.

 

[lexlieno]

I showed you actual pages where they stood there like zombies. Hiruzen used a katon, Tobirama used a suiton. Hiruzen used the mud wall, Hashirama used mokuton. Hiruzen summoned enma, the edo's evaded. Hiruzen summoned the death god, hashi used infinite darkness.
And kabuto had a kunai with a tag in his hand and stated now Im going to control you (itachi). Oro placed a kunai with a tag in their heads before the fight. You havent shown any panel. Youre getting delusional now in your fanboyism of a guy who wasnt even the strongets kage alive at that time. Oonoki would **** on him with his dust technique. What would he have done against Oro, probably fly around and decimate the entire arena. Raikeage with lightning speed that only a sharingan or somebody of equal speed could match. comeon now. Things have changed since then. You cannot use a 70 year old hiruzen as proof of anything, since he wasnt that strong in his old age. Kishi has clearly made stronger characters
You have no argument. Iruka's statement came before Kishi created a bunch of other characters and techniques. And Hiruzen didnt dominate anybody. Your done kid. Youre now blocked

I just explained to you that Kabuto and oros edo isn't the same. Now you're saying that oonoki can beat the third. Just what do you think a reanimated corpse is??? They weren't defense only, they used linked moves which led to taijutsu. Haha I'm loving how you constantly make stuff up. It's been stated that Hiruzen was the strongest kage at the time of his death and the strongest hokage ever.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v16/c140/3.html

Clearly says he's still the strongest of the kage. It's amazing that your posts make point even stronger. What's a 70year old man who's not strong doing fighting 3 kage level guys?!? Why didn't they kill him? Please play the I'm annoying card. You absolutely failed at this debate. Literally everything you've said was either an opinion or something completely false which I've proved with the panels. I'll give you credit for trying though. You get an A for effort. Lmao at you blocking me and calling me a kid. Adults know how to have reasonable debates using facts. Learn some logic and how to debate before you come at a big dog.

 

[lexlieno]

I see where both of you guys are coming from.  I don't agree that the 1st and 2nd were bodyguards, they were the first attack wave.  Oro put the kunai in them, which made them his mindless puppets, but the 3rd said that they were "as quick and strong as ever".  The only thing that they would lack is the strategy from their own minds.  When you compare that to what the 3rd had lost (He was old as hell and had no chakra), the 3rd still wins out.

Kabuto himself said that Oro perfected it the jutsu.

I think that originally the 3rd was supposed to be the strongest, but because of Kishi being a douche, he contradicted himself in Shippuden. He's contradicted himself before, so it's nothing new, even if it is annoying.

I feel this post. I want more people to chime in on the debate. What I'm saying is indisputable though. If its said that the third is the strongest(fact), what does learning new info about an already dead ninja matter? We learned he can do a few new tricks, but he can't do them now. The other thing is that we're learning about before hizurens prime( which we Know nothing about besides the fact that everyone referred to him we the GOD of shinobi)Which means does it really matter if it's before hiruzens prime. Where once both of their primes were over it was stated that Hiruzen was the strongest.

 

[blakep267]

the issue here is that your taking this as the end all be all, when its been shown that Kishi changes around his manga when it suits him. Kabuto said he was the strongest of the kages. That was before Kishi created Oonoki and rai. The reader has no knowledge of these characters and kishi probably doesnt either sense he hadnt created them yet. This is what a retcon is. naruto is full of them. if kishi wrote tomorrow that Shodaime can created anything with a thought and is god, does that still mean Hiruzen is stronger than him, based on an early aspect of the anime? No it doesnt. Name 1 thing you know that Hiruzen can do to stop shodai from creating an entire forest filled with sleeping gas, and the ability to self heal without seal? You cant. Name 1 thing Hiruzen can do to stop Oonoki's dust element? You cant

Nothing Kishi says is concrete. We were told how strong the byakugan was the predecessor to the sharingan, but now thats not true. We were told Kakashi was six when he passed the chuunin exams, thats not true. At the time to hype up hiruzen, he was called those things. But now to hype up madara, we are learning how much of a beast Shodaime was. Thats the issue. If we establish that Kishi retcons his manga, then nothing is sacred, especially an old quote in light of new knowledge

 

[nako xl]

just to play the devil's advocate.  there's a lot about the first that most ninjas didn't know til this recent. i.e. the details about his fight with madara, the fact that he auto regenerates and heals. we still don't know the full extent of his abilities.

and it can be assumed that madara knew about the third hokage. he had zetsu as a spy and presumably sees through zetsu (how else did he find obito). we can assume he kept track of the village.

If he knew some of the other kages, then he knew who sarutobi was.

 

[lexlieno]

the issue here is that your taking this as the end all be all, when its been shown that Kishi changes around his manga when it suits him. Kabuto said he was the strongest of the kages. That was before Kishi created Oonoki and rai. The reader has no knowledge of these characters and kishi probably doesnt either sense he hadnt created them yet. This is what a retcon is. naruto is full of them. if kishi wrote tomorrow that Shodaime can created anything with a thought and is god, does that still mean Hiruzen is stronger than him, based on an early aspect of the anime? No it doesnt. Name 1 thing you know that Hiruzen can do to stop shodai from creating an entire forest filled with sleeping gas, and the ability to self heal without seal? You cant. Name 1 thing Hiruzen can do to stop Oonoki's dust element? You cant
Nothing Kishi says is concrete. We were told how strong the byakugan was the predecessor to the sharingan, but now thats not true. We were told Kakashi was six when he passed the chuunin exams, thats not true. At the time to hype up hiruzen, he was called those things. But now to hype up madara, we are learning how much of a beast Shodaime was. Thats the issue. If we establish that Kishi retcons his manga, then nothing is sacred, especially an old quote in light of new knowledge

See, you're playing the what if and the possibilities. Use what you know. No one has seen the 3rd in his prime but Kishi. All that is known and is FACT from the manga is that he was stronger than all the kages and is the strongest hokage. It's face value. Take it for what it is. Both data books state this. This is what you've been doing the whole time. I say use facts from the manga, you talk about the hulk and Lebron. Its ironic you say shodai is god as the example, like anyone would refer to the 1st as God of Shinobi......No one else has been called the god of shinobi outside of the sage....oh and the 3rd.

 

[lexlieno]

just to play the devil's advocate.  there's a lot about the first that most ninjas didn't know til this recent. i.e. the details about his fight with madara, the fact that he auto regenerates and heals. we still don't know the full extent of his abilities.

and it can be assumed that madara knew about the third hokage. he had zetsu as a spy and presumably sees through zetsu (how else did he find obito). we can assume he kept track of the village.

If he knew some of the other kages, then he knew who sarutobi was.

He found obito because he was in his passage way I believe.

 

[nako xl]

just to play the devil's advocate.  there's a lot about the first that most ninjas didn't know til this recent. i.e. the details about his fight with madara, the fact that he auto regenerates and heals. we still don't know the full extent of his abilities.

and it can be assumed that madara knew about the third hokage. he had zetsu as a spy and presumably sees through zetsu (how else did he find obito). we can assume he kept track of the village.

If he knew some of the other kages, then he knew who sarutobi was.

He found obito because he was in his passage way I believe.

still we KNOW zetsu roams around outside as a spy.  just two issues ago he was scouting a battlefield and "happened" on kakashi and rin.

it's safe to assume madara knew what was going on in the village.

 

[lexlieno]

still we KNOW zetsu roams around outside as a spy.  just two issues ago he was scouting a battlefield and "happened" on kakashi and rin.

it's safe to assume madara knew what was going on in the village.

There's still no link to it. If I take a page ou of blakes books and say what if the reason Madara didnt make any moves after he left and kept quiet was because he was scared of the 3rd!!?! Either way, we still have more to learn. Just by the sheer magnitude of it, why wasn't Madara or the 1st referred to as the god of shinobi?? By everyone. Not by a faction or jut a village, EVERYONE.

 

[blakep267]

facts change. Thats the point. You know nothing about Hiruzen's prime. So at most he a question mark. Do you think he has an answer to Madara's perfect sussano? Which nobody knew about. Because it wasnt invented yet. Thats the point. Bringing up old facts in this day is useless. Nobody knows what went down at the valley of the end. Madara from what we've seen, minus the rinnegan powers would beast almost any1. How is hiruzen gonna combat 5 shdow clones with sussanoo. how is Hiruzen going to break out of something like izanagi or izanami?

it just comes down to does Kishi change things in his manga to suit his purposes? and if you say no, well then we know what you are.

Also madara's plan predicated on Nagato ressurecting him after he had died. Plus he wouldve had to get all the tailed beasts etc. So what good for going to fight Hiruzen do.

 

[jubilantoutlier]

I feel this post. I want more people to chime in on the debate. What I'm saying is indisputable though. If its said that the third is the strongest(fact), what does learning new info about an already dead ninja matter? We learned he can do a few new tricks, but he can't do them now. The other thing is that we're learning about before hizurens prime( which we Know nothing about besides the fact that everyone referred to him we the GOD of shinobi)Which means does it really matter if it's before hiruzens prime. Where once both of their primes were over it was stated that Hiruzen was the strongest.

This is where you're right and wrong at the same time. We as readers cannot dispute it, but Kishi can to his heart's content, since he's writing it.
This^^. I would've liked it if there were no continuity errors (i.e. Hiruzen staying the strongest hokage), but there's not much we can do about it.

 

[jubilantoutlier]

I feel this post. I want more people to chime in on the debate. What I'm saying is indisputable though. If its said that the third is the strongest(fact), what does learning new info about an already dead ninja matter? We learned he can do a few new tricks, but he can't do them now. The other thing is that we're learning about before hizurens prime( which we Know nothing about besides the fact that everyone referred to him we the GOD of shinobi)Which means does it really matter if it's before hiruzens prime. Where once both of their primes were over it was stated that Hiruzen was the strongest.

This is where you're right and wrong at the same time. We as readers cannot dispute it, but Kishi can to his heart's content, since he's writing it.
This^^. I would've liked it if there were no continuity errors (i.e. Hiruzen staying the strongest hokage), but there's not much we can do about it.

 

[jubilantoutlier]

#3

 

[jubilantoutlier]

SMH I kept pressing post on the last page but it wouldn't take me to this page.  My fault

 

[lexlieno]

facts change. Thats the point. You know nothing about Hiruzen's prime. So at most he a question mark. Do you think he has an answer to Madara's perfect sussano? Which nobody knew about. Because it wasnt invented yet. Thats the point. Bringing up old facts in this day is useless. Nobody knows what went down at the valley of the end. Madara from what we've seen, minus the rinnegan powers would beast almost any1. How is hiruzen gonna combat 5 shdow clones with sussanoo. how is Hiruzen going to break out of something like izanagi or izanami?
it just comes down to does Kishi change things in his manga to suit his purposes? and if you say no, well then we know what you are.

Lets settle down here.  No one know anything about Hiruzens Prime.  However we've SEEN what we can do OUT OF HIS PRIME.  Which grants him that hype.  We've seen him in action vs EXTREMELY reputable ninjas. 1 of which you claim is the strongest ninja since the sage himself, yet he was bested by Hiruzen.  There's a reason for the hype.  God of Shinobi, The strongest hokage ever, there's a reason why he's earned those titles.  With all these unknowns you keep referring to, you're overlooking the knowns, and the 3rd Hokage is known as the strongest.  GOD OF SHINOBI, let that marinate.  What was madaras nickname??? What was the firsts??? Did it involve being compared to a GOD??? No?? I didn't think so.

 

[lexlieno]

This is where you're right and wrong at the same time. We as readers cannot dispute it, but Kishi can to his heart's content, since he's writing it.

This^^. I would've liked it if there were no continuity errors (i.e. Hiruzen staying the strongest hokage), but there's not much we can do about it.

Yes, Kishi can, its his manga.  However, at this moment he hasn't.  Like you said, we can't dispute it. Which is what this guy is trying to do, but it's just not working.

I don't understand how we all saw the 2 guys we're talking about fight and we clearly saw the direction it was heading in.  It was a handicap match from the jump too! Yet he doesn't see it the same way lmao.

 

[blakep267]

Lets settle down here.  No one know anything about Hiruzens Prime.  However we've SEEN what we can do OUT OF HIS PRIME.  Which grants him that hype.  We've seen him in action vs EXTREMELY reputable ninjas. 1 of which you claim is the strongest ninja since the sage himself, yet he was bested by Hiruzen.  There's a reason for the hype.  God of Shinobi, The strongest hokage ever, there's a reason why he's earned those titles.  With all these unknowns you keep referring to, you're overlooking the knowns, and the 3rd Hokage is known as the strongest.  GOD OF SHINOBI, let that marinate.  What was madaras nickname??? What was the firsts??? Did it involve being compared to a GOD??? No?? I didn't think so.

so your main argument comes back to a nickname. really. thats all.

So because Madara has no nickname, the fact that everybody is quivering in their boots at him means nothing. Madara mutha ****** Uchiha, the guy who drops meteors is invalidated because of not having a nickname. Ok guy