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hallywoodxo said:
Doesn't the n word come from the Sanskrit word naga and nagini which more or less relates blackness of the highest divinity??
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The ****? Hell nah thats not what it comes from.

That **** came from a white man. And it damn sure ain't divine.
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it's derived from a latin word that means black.  and was co-opted by spanish/portuguese slave traders to describe the people (read: product) they cargod, and eventually became a term of derision and poison.

i don't know who misled you and told you that **** was divine.

after the fact, more recently, 20th century blacks took to calling each other ******, again as a term of derision, and eventually as a colloquialism.

more recently people are arguing they're taking the power away from the word by redefining it.  and if you want to hear patti smith tell it (circa 1978):

"****** no invented for color it was MADE FOR THE PLAGUE the word (art) must be

redefined-all mutants and the new babes born sans eyebrow and tonsil-outside logic-beyond

mathematics poli-tricks baptism and motion sickness-any man who extends beyond the classic

for is a ******-one sans fear and despair-one who rises like rimbaud beating hard gold

rythumn outta soft solid ****-tongue light is coiling serpant is steaming spinal avec ray gun

hissing scanning copper head w/ white enamel eye wet and shining crown reeling thru gleem

vegetation ruby dressing of thy lips puckering whispering pressing high bruised thighs silk route

mark prussian vibrating gushing milk pods of de/light translating new languages new and

abused rock n roll and lashing from tongue of me ******"

-- from the Rock n Roll ****** liner notes
 
Guess I shouldn't have came off so passive phrasing it as a question, it was more if a rhetorical question then anything.

Glad to see the white propaganda machine is still in full affect and blacks are thinking their origin isn't "divine." With that said I'm not gonna try and argue what connotations it picked up once slavery started but :



If you grew up in the United States, you’ve either heard the term ******, called someone a ******, or you’ve probably been called a ******. I was always taught not to say the word, that it was derogatory & racist etc. We were all taught that the word ****** derives from the Spanish word “Negro” which means “Black Object” therefore labeling someone as not really a human being. We’ve been taught that it means “Ignorant Person” etc. Despite all of those things the word has become a household term, it’s one of the main root words in Hip-Hop music (NaS even named an album after it) & the word itself has grown into a kind of social phenomenon. Personally, I’ve used the word as a term of endearment to friends close to me, friends of all races, White included. I think words (and basically everything else) are fueled by the energy you put behind them. The truth is ****** actually doesn’t derive from anything negative, derogatory or hurtful in anyway. It’s actually the opposite. Phonetically, words all have small roots within them & the meanings of those words evolve into other words & terms but essentially have the same value & energy. The term ****** is an evolution from something positive, that was turned negative & due to the Alchemical nature of our people it’s been turned back into something positive. Here is the scoop on where ****** actually comes from.

The Historical and Occult Origins of the Word ******.

Naga

means “Serpent” in the Vedic Sanskrit. The Hindu Naga Serpent Gods of India are mention in the “Upanishad Texts”, Nagini for the feminine. Indian Serpent Ruler, son of Kadru (Kedar in Hebrew means Black). In ancient India , the people with the blackest skins were respected and held to high esteem; original, first or primary. The Nagas ruled India as well as a substantial portion of Asia from Arabia to China and the South Pacific, as well as the Indian Ocean region. There are a few definitions of the Naga but the origin is the Naga serpent, or the Naga’s a race of serpent like people from Hindu and Buddhist mythology. The word Naga comes from the Sanskrit and nag is still the word for snake, especially the cobra, in most of the languages of India . The Naga is referring to the people who have full access to the Kundalini energy. Kundalini being a serpentine force, to be honored with being called a Naga is to be wise as the serpent. Matthew 10:16 verse “Be ye therefore wise as Serpents, yet gentle as doves.” Note that the Snake (Serpent Spirit) has been a symbol of wisdom since the metaphysical story of Adam and Eve. It’s the wise Serpent who offered them the fruit of knowledge. Also attach to the wise Nag serpent is eternal healing, mystery, magical power, and holiness throughout most of the ancient non-western world.

It’s the represents the power of life death resurrection. It’s used in everything from sex potions to drugs to kill cancer, life and death. .Its poison can kill and used to heal, is shed its skin as a symbol of resurrection. It’s a symbol of all the four elements water, air, earth and fire. The wise serpent lives in water and also in the earth, the poison is fire and the movement in “S” form is the same way waves move across air. Its symbol is used today in medicine, and other healing professions in the form of the Caduceus, and its live descendants are hailed as sacred and used in everything from cancer drugs to sex potions. Other words related to the Naga or Nag:

Naga-raj: King of cobras

Naga-rjuna: A Baudha Saint

Nag-eena: Gem of Ring, Diamond, great

Nag-endra: Lord Shiva

Nag-esh: Lord Shiva, Lord of snakes

Nag-eshwar: Airawat, Sheshnaag

Nag-eshwaran: Lord Snake

Nag-mani: Lord Krishna, Snake’s Gem

Nag-pal: Protector of Snakes

Nag-pati: Master of Snakes

Nag-raj: Sheshnaag, Snake king

Nag-ulan: Witty

Niger and Niger-ia: are two countries in Africa . The words “ Niger ” means in Ibo “King (emperor)” and “Niger-ia” means “Queen (empress).”

Negger: “Golden One” in ancient Kemit. Negger is another form of the god “Geb also referred to as Seb and Keb. This god was the personification of the earth, and indeed this is what his name means earth, and thus it was said that when he laughed, it caused earthquakes. The feminine version would be the goose that laid the golden egg reference to the universe being an egg before the big bang. Also Mother Goose would be a way later version of Geb. Geb is prosperity because of the association with fatness, and pregnancy, cosmic egg and so forth, the individual glyph became used as the word for goose represented as a black goose, where black represented the fertile soil and also the people of the land, The Negger’s. It is also a termed for the King-Initiate which keeps its connection to Naga the Serpent King/ Queen. Literally translated Arnold Schwarzenegger (German) Schwarz = Black or Black-Negger.
 
Few things:

I'm Igbo and the Igbo word for king is "eze."  I'm not entirely sure on the meaning of Niger in igbo, or if there is any, but I think there are a few slightly incorrect things in what you are saying up there.

I've also taken language development classes and understand the development and morphology of phonemes and roots and i get that nag can generally mean black or dark. this is how language spreads.

I also know that in Portugal negro means black.  literally the word black.  and that the first protuguese slavers had ZERO knowledge of sanskrit or any academic knowledge of the origin of their latin language.  they literally looked at people as an object and said lets call these dark ones black.  perhaps there was a similar use for the word naga in the past that was positive but this use was not.  much as the words spawn from similar roots, they can arise organically independently of each other with separate very different meanings.

you yourself said a word has no power without the energy (and i assume you mean meaning and intent) one puts behind it.  as such, the N word as it is used in the English language, by those who began and until the 1970s chose to use it here in the united states, comes from a place of hatred.

it may not have been pure hate and derision when the slavers first used it, it might literally have just been a practical way to describe the africans they saw, but not very long after it became literally the most evil and poisonous thing you can call a person. 

if you trace the root of the sanskrit word i'm sure you can argue that it can and should have a positive interpretation.  but it is not white propaganda to say that was not the known intent of the words use by those who still oppress others with the word today.
 
if you trace the root of the sanskrit word i'm sure you can argue that it can and should have a positive interpretation.  but it is not white propaganda to say that was not the known intent of the words use by those who still oppress others with the word today.
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I actually agree with some of the things you said, and disagree.

I hope I didn't come off as over zealously pro-black for the fear of getting lost in the stereotype and the attributes that come with it.

FWIW I'm mixed down the middle black/white so I have no preference besides the truth.

The point I was trying to make is that the word doesn't originate out of hate like a lot of people think. We both agreed though like you said it's the energy people put behind it. Look how words like "ratchet" and "swag" have taken off In the past few years because the energy people have put behind it. I'm sure those aren't the best examples but they're the first that come to mind.

Let's say black people and the word naga are interchangeable.

IMO people of African descent (blacks) were the original. They migrated from there and expanded through out the world and were respected civilizations up until colonial slavery. From hence forth they are looked at as an abomination to the human civilization. Things have progressed but the black race isn't what it originally was yet you still the heritage and where they came from.

Same with the n word and naga. The word has evolved but the lineage is there from what it truly came from. Whether you decide to focus 400 years back or 4,000 years back is a perspective that's up to you.

I know I use the N word often, and at times I've felt guilty for using it. Perhaps I'm reaching to try and comfort myself for something that may be wrong. But with that train of thought someone can say "well do you feel wrong for being black, cause that was something that once fueled hatred as well"
 
Nope this word and it's history have a different meaning you can't dress it up or talk about ancient history that's out of context
 
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if you trace the root of the sanskrit word i'm sure you can argue that it can and should have a positive interpretation.  but it is not white propaganda to say that was not the known intent of the words use by those who still oppress others with the word today.
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I actually agree with some of the things you said, and disagree.

I hope I didn't come off as over zealously pro-black for the fear of getting lost in the stereotype and the attributes that come with it.

FWIW I'm mixed down the middle black/white so I have no preference besides the truth.

The point I was trying to make is that the word doesn't originate out of hate like a lot of people think. We both agreed though like you said it's the energy people put behind it. Look how words like "ratchet" and "swag" have taken off In the past few years because the energy people have put behind it. I'm sure those aren't the best examples but they're the first that come to mind.

Let's say black people and the word naga are interchangeable.

IMO people of African descent (blacks) were the original. They migrated from there and expanded through out the world and were respected civilizations up until colonial slavery. From hence forth they are looked at as an abomination to the human civilization. Things have progressed but the black race isn't what it originally was yet you still the heritage and where they came from.

Same with the n word and naga. The word has evolved but the lineage is there from what it truly came from. Whether you decide to focus 400 years back or 4,000 years back is a perspective that's up to you.

I know I use the N word often, and at times I've felt guilty for using it. Perhaps I'm reaching to try and comfort myself for something that may be wrong. But with that train of thought someone can say "well do you feel wrong for being black, cause that was something that once fueled hatred as well"[/quote]
i see what you're saying.

language does change and evolve.  just look at one of the new meanings of the word "literally":

"in effect; in substance; very nearly; virtually; not literally."
 
It's crazy how Dame Dash got railroaded but man, he's done so much for hip-hop man. I already knew he was the one who had faith in Ye' first but that comment Ye' made in the interview solidified it.
 
http://thetalkhouse.com/reviews/view/lou-reed

Probably been posted, but I figured I'd repost. Came across this when reading Chuck Klosterman's piece about Lou Reed. I thought it was interesting to hear his perspective on the album, both from that of an immensely talented musician and somebody who was 70 years old and from a different era.

Also hearing Black Skinhead in that phone commercial just makes me :smh: Still can't believe how much they neutered that song from the early version:

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/singl...ck+Skinhead+(Saturday+Night+Live+Performance)

This sounds so savage and aggressive. The recorded version? Well it sounds like it could go in a phone commercial :lol: Even some of the lyrics he changed/removed were wrong moves IMO and sounded better before.
 
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Kanye West recently spoke to Ryan Seacrest about a number of things. Here's one of the things he said.
There’s no way Kim Kardashian shouldn’t be on the cover of Vogue. She’s like the most intriguing woman right now. She’s got Barbara Walters calling her like everyday … and collectively we’re the most influential with clothing. No one is looking at what [President] Obama is wearing. Michelle Obama cannot Instagram a [bikini] pic like what my girl Instagrammed the other day … so it’s to say when we are there and [editor-in-chief of French Vogue] Carine Roitfeld supports my girl, that’s a breakthrough … there’s a wall of classism that we are breaking through.”
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Dear Kanye,

Hi, it's Michelle. Michelle Obama, Barack's wife. Barack Obama, the President of the United States of America.

That makes me the First Lady of the United States of America. Me = Michelle Obama.

I hope all is well.

You know, Kanye, I woke up this morning. In the White House. And one of my aides told me she had something to show me. Something that would make me laugh. A "cute" thing, if you will.

It was a series of quotes, Kanye. About my husband and me. About my Vogue magazine cover. And fashion. And classism.

They were your quotes. You were the cute thing, Kanye. And my aide was right. It did make me laugh. Oh, what a hearty White House laugh it was.

Keep my name out your mouth, ya heard.

Tell me, Kanye, what's your goal with this? Why us? Are you still mad about my husband calling you a jackass a few times? Is that why you're focusing on me instead of on all the other women who have been on the cover of Vogue?

That's what this is all about, isn't it? You're out here all mad simply because we're stylin' on you? I know Barack never did apologize for the name-calling, because you know how you men are with your stubbornness.

But it's more than that. It's bigger than fashion. To you, this has become a couple vs. couple thing.

I once overheard some of our summer interns talking about you — about how mad you get when you're compared to other rappers, because your peers are Jesus and Jobs and Walt Disney. I heard it and actually respected that. It shows you have some drive to be a great man. You should fight to get your respect. I see my husband, the President of the Free World, get disrespected every day. And it tears me apart.

So you have to understand where I'm coming from when I say it's laughable for my 21-year marriage to be mentioned on the same website as your thing with Kim.

Imagine if someone compared you to Papoose, Kanye. Well, you're Barack's Papoose. And yes, Kim is my Remy Ma.

My husband's not moving our family out the country so you can't see where we stay. Because he runs the country, you see.

And, again, we live in the White House. Very visible.

Look, Kanye, I'm a fan. You had me the second you brought along Uncle Charlie Wilson, and there's no turning back. I don't think you're crazy at all, and in fact fully think you're saying things that other people are scared to articulate. And, of course, Chicago will always bring us together.

Knowing that, never think that I'm not from Chicago for one second. Barack may be from Hawaii, but I will always be from that 312.

As a woman who loves fashion but never sought to be an iconic figure of some sort, I understand where you're coming from. And your frustrations. You're both deeply embedded in fashion, you and Kim, and daring to match, with the man skirts and silly string bikinis. I hear you even have a little pop-up store next to hers that sells nice Confederate flags.

And there's me, a semi-conservative dresser with my fashion not at the center of my life, and somehow I still ended up on the Vogue cover. And, to make matters worse, I didn't even ask.

They came to me. And get this, I actually had to think about it.

But next time, Kanye, if we can agree to squash this, I will decline and tell them to ask Kim. Will that make you happy? Will that end classism? Will the inclusion of your born-rich future wife break down the walls that my trailblazing old-ladyness seeks to build up? Just let me know.

Because, at the end of the day, who really needs to be on the cover of Vogue for a third time?

In the meantime, there's always Terry Richardson.

Jackass.

Send my love to Kim and baby Nori.

—Michelle
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I can't ride with Kanye on this whole "Kim not being on the cover of Vogue = classism" nonsense he said ti Seacrest.

I know he probably said the Obamas names because they were the most recent cover figures he could think of, but still, shut up Kanye.  Kim was born into money.  Barack and Michelle worked their way up the same way you did. Maybe even more so when you consider where they ended up.  I was rockin' with you on almost everything else til you took it there.
 
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I can't ride with Kanye on this whole "Kim not being on the cover of Vogue = classism" nonsense he said ti Seacrest.

I know he probably said the Obamas names because they were the most recent cover figures he could think of, but still, shut up Kanye.  Kim was born into money.  Barack and Michelle worked their way up the same way you did. Maybe even more so when you consider where they ended up.  I was rockin' with you on almost everything else til you took it there.
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See, you're coming to your senses. I knew it would take a couple of months, but you see it. 
 
As great as Kanye is, he still not great enough to convince the world that Kim has any relevancy beyond being good looking :lol:

Rembert Browne is an ill writer though, that ether.
 
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The girl is a glorified jumpoff and that's it.
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I can't help but to think about what Too $hort said at the end of "The World is Filled' on Life After Death with Biggie.  His words connect to this situation so much..........

"Stupid *** *****...she ain't nothing but a ***

But you fell in love with her man

You can't turn a *** into a housewife fool

Everytime you turn your back that ***** is ******g with dem gangstas"
 
That Michelle Obama letter not real right?

Why do people waste their time with that ****?
 
The circular screen that was damaged is INTEGRAL to the entire stage design, so I understand why this happened.

Hope they get a new one and get it back on the road ASAP.
 
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