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Originally Posted by CP1708
Eli isn't exactly Dilfering it out there ya know.
I literally thought in my head "It's not like he Dilfered his way to 2 SB's..." when I read dlands post.
Eli Manning will be in the Hall of Fame
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I literally thought in my head "It's not like he Dilfered his way to 2 SB's..." when I read dlands post.
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Yep
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Yeah, I'm not sure I understand how A-Rod (even though we all like him) is a lock for the HOF right now and Eli isn't. I asked this question before and folks had no response for it. I mean we're ready to say that A-Rod could be the best ever, but Eli in the HOF is a stretch? Illogical. Outside of Big Ben, no QB had been more clutch in the SB than Eli in recent years. Not Brady, not Peyton. Eli.
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Agree with above, the only true locks right now are Peyton/Tom. Look at who is waiting to get on the HOF, it isn't an easy thing to get in.
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Hes not. Pretty clearly if his career ends today he doesn't get voted to the Hall.
Rodgers career SO FAR has him as the most efficient QB in NFL history... #1 in several categories including highest TD%, lowest INT% and highest career QB Rating by like 8 full points... People say it because he made one of the best playoff runs ever last year and was on xbox mode all season this year.
Hes not in right now, but I don't know how you could say hes not on pace.
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And that's how I feel about both QBs, Manning and Rodgers. If they never touched another football again, neither would be in the HOF. Period.
I'd hate for you to feel like I'm picking on A-Rod because I'm not. I wanted to point out the hypocrisy of S&T. People ride for their guy so hard they go to illogical lengths to discredit the next man.
But they are both on pace for making it to the Hall. No doubt about it.
Although if A-Rod never wins another SB, do people discredit his career? For discussions' sake, say the rest of his seasons (regular and post) are IDENTICAL to this year. Does he still get in?
I'd hate for you to feel like I'm picking on A-Rod because I'm not. I wanted to point out the hypocrisy of S&T. People ride for their guy so hard they go to illogical lengths to discredit the next man.
But they are both on pace for making it to the Hall. No doubt about it.
Although if A-Rod never wins another SB, do people discredit his career? For discussions' sake, say the rest of his seasons (regular and post) are IDENTICAL to this year. Does he still get in?
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wassup with the stupid question of if their careers ended today? let it all play out im sure all listed qbs on here will make it eventually
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are u sure about that? eli manning will be in the hall of fame is what the thread says
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Why is this even a question?
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I've read a lot of biased and ignorant comments here. Eli Manning and Peyton Manning will forever be a 'family' name. They will be famous no matter what!! Their names ring a lot more bells and they are loved by a lot more people than most QBs.
Getting into the HOF is a 20/20 thing. If newer generations cannot eclipse the prior generation or craft their own name, historical names become more 'famous' and adored. More so, situational and historical context will need to be evaluated before
It takes a team effort to win a Super Bowl, but crafting your name takes time, success, and admiration. I honestly cannot see how ELI was HOF clutch in those situations. He's made a couple of throws, but they were typical. I've seen that sideline route constantly, and do not see what the fuss is about. To say the least, the SUPER BOWL was only exciting in the last 5 MINUTES. HAHAHA
AARON RODGERS is not a HOF QB, as he's only had 2-3 seasons of success. If he crafts his name by doing what he does, and he fights to extends the shelf life of a QB against new entrants, then he'll be a HOF.
The question becomes, do you need a Super Bowl to SOLIDFY your name. Thankfully Peyton did, and so did Eli. But if you had to compare, I would say that Peyton came into the league and crafted his name. More so, he left his stamp on the 'game'. Can you say the same for ELI? Probably not.
You might as well consider Trent Dilfer a HOF.
Getting into the HOF is a 20/20 thing. If newer generations cannot eclipse the prior generation or craft their own name, historical names become more 'famous' and adored. More so, situational and historical context will need to be evaluated before
It takes a team effort to win a Super Bowl, but crafting your name takes time, success, and admiration. I honestly cannot see how ELI was HOF clutch in those situations. He's made a couple of throws, but they were typical. I've seen that sideline route constantly, and do not see what the fuss is about. To say the least, the SUPER BOWL was only exciting in the last 5 MINUTES. HAHAHA
AARON RODGERS is not a HOF QB, as he's only had 2-3 seasons of success. If he crafts his name by doing what he does, and he fights to extends the shelf life of a QB against new entrants, then he'll be a HOF.
The question becomes, do you need a Super Bowl to SOLIDFY your name. Thankfully Peyton did, and so did Eli. But if you had to compare, I would say that Peyton came into the league and crafted his name. More so, he left his stamp on the 'game'. Can you say the same for ELI? Probably not.
You might as well consider Trent Dilfer a HOF.
Tim Teufel, now that I think about it, what else would we be discussing, whether Eli would go to the HOF if he wins 3 more Super Bowls? Many of the comments were saying that Eli is a lock for the Hall based on the 2 Super Bowls and basically saying that he can retire today and he'll go to the HOF.
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Originally Posted by CP1708
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If you win 2 Super Bowls, 2 SB MVP's, 2 game winning drives in the 4th quarter of those SB's, win more road playoff games than any other QB thru history to this point, throw for 4,900 yards in a season and nobody claims you were top 5 that year, and have a chance to realistically finish with 40,000+ yards and maybe in the neighborhood of 300 or so touchdowns, in a historically difficult divsion, with wins over Favre on the road, Rodgers on the road, Romo on the road, and the 9ers defense on the road, and multiple wins vs Brady/Belichick in those same SB's, yeah, I'm ok with thinkin he has a legit shot at some HOF love. Sure, why not?
Eli isn't exactly Dilfering it out there ya know.
Yes, but Eli is more than capable of playing subpar the duration of his career. Seldom does he light the regular season on fire the whole way through, and I wouldn't be surprised if some up and coming NFC East teams relegate NYG to an average 8-8 record the rest of Eli's career.
It's also very possible that he has an Eli like, 2:1 TD:INT ratio during the regular season. Not saying it happens this way, but like it can go the other way, I can still see Eli allowing us room to question his HOF status.
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This. Yall gettin to caught up in these ESPN stories about legacy's. Let these dudes play a few more years.
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They might screw Ben on 1st ballot. Brees and Eli get in though. Rodgers needs more years of greatness.
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How does Eli Manning get in first ballot, but Ben Roethlisberger does not?
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Because he Dilfer'd his way into that first SB victory.
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Eli Manning's first playoff to Super Bowl run: 854 yards, 6 TDs, 1 INT, 102.2 avg QB rating.
Ben Roethlisberger's first playoff to Super Bowl run: 803 yards, 7 TDs, 2 rushing TDs, 3 INTs, 97.9 avg QB rating.
Trent Dilfer's only playoff to Super Bowl run: 590 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT, 85.2 avg. QB rating.
Soooooooooooooooooo............ about that...
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If you win 2 Super Bowls, 2 SB MVP's, 2 game winning drives in the 4th quarter of those SB's, win more road playoff games than any other QB thru history to this point, throw for 4,900 yards in a season and nobody claims you were top 5 that year, and have a chance to realistically finish with 40,000+ yards and maybe in the neighborhood of 300 or so touchdowns, in a historically difficult divsion, with wins over Favre on the road, Rodgers on the road, Romo on the road, and the 9ers defense on the road, and multiple wins vs Brady/Belichick in those same SB's, yeah, I'm ok with thinkin he has a legit shot at some HOF love. Sure, why not?
Eli isn't exactly Dilfering it out there ya know.
Yes, but Eli is more than capable of playing subpar the duration of his career. Seldom does he light the regular season on fire the whole way through, and I wouldn't be surprised if some up and coming NFC East teams relegate NYG to an average 8-8 record the rest of Eli's career.
It's also very possible that he has an Eli like, 2:1 TD:INT ratio during the regular season. Not saying it happens this way, but like it can go the other way, I can still see Eli allowing us room to question his HOF status.
Ok, last 3 years, he's been over 4,000 yards. But for the 7 years he's been the starter, he's averaging around 3,800 a year. With 25 TD's.
IF, he does that for 5 more years, he'll finish at 46,600 yards, and 310 TD"s.
Dude, that's easily within his range if he stays healthy, and those numbers put him top 7-8 yards, and top 5-6 TD's, more than John Elway has man.
And he has the 2 titles in his pocket. He's basically down to doing regular season work, anything he adds in the postseason is all gravy now.
If he manages even 2 more 4K and 30 TD seasons, then he can throttle it down and still hit those marks with ease. Bottom line, he COULD wind up in the top 8 of both categories, even at a slower than what he's already been doing pace, AND have 2 rings, that he earned full well.
And that isn't a HOF resume?
Montana got 273 TD's, Eli on pace for 310 if he plays just 5 more seasons at 25 per. I don't give a @#$% how many more picks the kid throws, how is this not on par with what others have done? @#$% he BLOWS Aikman's numbers out of the sky. Aikman is NO WHERE NEAR those numbers, and has one extra ring, and that guy played with a couple HOF'ers on his team, and one guy that should get in (Haley) Eli has one HOFer on his team, and that was Strahan, who was only around for the first title.
You guys need to wake up, if Eli can do work for just 4-5 more years, and add ANYTHING in the playoffs, even just 1 win a playoff, he's getting in. I could care less about Pro Bowls, top 5 lists, fantasy stats, goofy looks on his face, whatever, kid only needs 5 more years and he gets a bust.
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I'm a huge Eli supporter and I'll even say he's not HOF worthy... yet. The door has certainly opened though. He continues to have seasons like this and he can stroll on in.
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eli has never had a losing season since his rookie year playing in year in year out the hardest division in the NFL, since 2005 every NFC east team has made the playoffs at least twice(can any other division say that?), you guys expect giants to make the playoffs every year? thats why petyon manning wont join the ******** who will offer the most money, i dont care how great peyton is he doesnt make the playoffs at the rate he has if he played his entire career in the east and his stats wouldnt have been as great.....
last 5 years they made the playoffs 3 times and missed it winning 10 games a year ago......if the giants make the playoffs 5 times in the next 8 years i'll be happy with that....
sh happens but that 09 season if plax doesn't shot himself i think they go all the way(they were the 1 seed), after that shot they lost 4 of 5 and where just a different team, yes the loss of plax's talent was huge but they way they lost him is what killed the team, they would have been better off if he blew his ACL....team was completely different and it was the hardest thing they had to deal with in past 5 years......
if they played in the NFC west what would their chances be? if the ******** had a good QB this season each team in the division would have been 8-8 at worst....you have to take into account the strength of the division....so strong the team that many picked to be 3rd at best won the super bowl, so strong/competitive last week of the season 3 teams were fighting for one spot
last 5 years they made the playoffs 3 times and missed it winning 10 games a year ago......if the giants make the playoffs 5 times in the next 8 years i'll be happy with that....
sh happens but that 09 season if plax doesn't shot himself i think they go all the way(they were the 1 seed), after that shot they lost 4 of 5 and where just a different team, yes the loss of plax's talent was huge but they way they lost him is what killed the team, they would have been better off if he blew his ACL....team was completely different and it was the hardest thing they had to deal with in past 5 years......
if they played in the NFC west what would their chances be? if the ******** had a good QB this season each team in the division would have been 8-8 at worst....you have to take into account the strength of the division....so strong the team that many picked to be 3rd at best won the super bowl, so strong/competitive last week of the season 3 teams were fighting for one spot
If a Quarterback wins 2 Superbowls, he is a Hall of Famer regardless of everything else.
I mean, thats essentially what people the people who are advocating Eli being a HOFer already are saying right?
key word is "wins" eli 2 game winning drives in his 2 super bowls.....15 TDs 2 ints in those playoff runs.....best QB bar none in those playoff runs....only QB to throw for 15 TDs in the 4th qtr.....only Qb to beat 2 1 seeds and a 2 seed while winning super bowl mvp not once but twice......
i agree not a HOFer yet only because if it ended today he didnt do enough......4 or 5 pro bowls good stats, an MVP type year gets him in......another super bowl its not a question.....and the giants won't be worst in rushing next season, that was fluke....and the nice reg season eli had was his worst stat season out of play action.....only will get better....
only 2 super bowl current QBs have a higher playoff QB rating than eli rodgers and brees
If you win 2 Super Bowls, 2 SB MVP's, 2 game winning drives in the 4th quarter of those SB's, win more road playoff games than any other QB thru history to this point, throw for 4,900 yards in a season and nobody claims you were top 5 that year, and have a chance to realistically finish with 40,000+ yards and maybe in the neighborhood of 300 or so touchdowns, in a historically difficult divsion, with wins over Favre on the road, Rodgers on the road, Romo on the road, and the 9ers defense on the road, and multiple wins vs Brady/Belichick in those same SB's, yeah, I'm ok with thinkin he has a legit shot at some HOF love. Sure, why not?
Eli isn't exactly Dilfering it out there ya know
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thank you! people keep comparing eli to dilfer its not even in the same area.......in fact dilfer 4 TDs in the playoffs for his super bowl is more than peytons 3 TDs for hiswho is more dilfer peyton or eli?........and no i dont think peyton had a dilfer playoff that year, its not all about TDs
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Eli is currently the most clutch QB in the NFL... but please, whatever you do, don't use Bill Simmons as a source.
For anything.
Ever.
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