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Tim Duncan is ALWAYS and WILL be appreciated.
Tim Duncan Appreciation
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Appreciated, and anyone who refrained from automatically comparing him to someone else and starting useless arguments is appreciated too.
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--Appreciated.
--Some of y'all making valid arguments considering Karl Malone.
--The Laker haters here in San Diego put Duncan above Bean for player of the decade. (2000-2009)
--Some of y'all making valid arguments considering Karl Malone.
--The Laker haters here in San Diego put Duncan above Bean for player of the decade. (2000-2009)
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Duncan>Karl Malone all day.. He is definitely the best PF of all time if you look at his achievements.. Appreciated
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The stats are misleading bc Pop always pulls Duncan early. He couldve been out playing getting more points and rebounds in a lot of games. Duncan never cared for stats only winning. Dude is the best IMO. It's been pleasure watching him, I still remember getting hyped during the draft lottery because we got the number 1 pick. No lie I'm a little sad this could be his last last year, I'm feeling old
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He's appreciated for endorsing this gem, if for nothing else.
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Always Been A Fan...Still Got My Nike TD Swingman
Last Player To Win MOP In College And NBA MVP
Last Player To Win MOP In College And NBA MVP
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Originally Posted by The Fresh Sole
The stats are misleading bc Pop always pulls Duncan early. He couldve been out playing getting more points and rebounds in a lot of games. Duncan never cared for stats only winning. Dude is the best IMO. It's been pleasure watching him, I still remember getting hyped during the draft lottery because we got the number 1 pick. No lie I'm a little sad this could be his last last year, I'm feeling old
i mean true but duncan as a whole only played 2.8 i think less minutes a game... its not like malone was putting in 42 minute nights all day every day and ducan was puttin in like 30. And the fact that he played center/pf at a time that was deeply deprived of size and the position he shouldve gotten alot more then he shouldve. Outside of shaq which he never really head on faced, there was kg, sheed, and webber. I mean i would expect him at close to 7'0 tall snaggin rebounds on inferior opponents and players s/f sized playing pf/c... I mean my goodness it was a time elton brand at 6'8 was a allstar center on the west.
Name any 6'7 6'8 centers/pf's in the 90's outside of barkley who occasionally played the pf. I mean amare was hurt most of the time and still relatively young. pau wasnt the pau we no today. so it was maybe 3 or 4 decent/good big men duncan faced on a regular basis.
Plus add the fact that until his last 2 or 3 yrs there wasnt much of a dropoff in terms of stats and gameplay in malone. I mean lets face it tim has went down. He is maybe a top 5 pf now and thats by default and lack of many big men.
As far as rings goes last i checked it was a team sport and he had a relatively good/great squad. And always had. I mean in came into the league with a top 50 center and has played with one the most clutch shooters and one of the best one on one defenders. Yall act like dude was playing with the likes of tyrone corbin and adam keefe. I mean his team may not of won much, but considering what he had to work with and competing in probably the most difficult, skilled era of bball says alot.
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Tim Duncan became my fav player when I was 7 because the Spurs swept the Lakers in the 98-99 playoffs and my dad was a huge Shaq fan
I would always root against the Lakers it didn't matter who they played and I remember watching the series with him and he came up with excuses and said wait until next year
Well that next year the Spurs ended up getting swept by the Lakers and that dynasty started lol but I still stuck with Tim and until this day he's still my favorite player
KD is a close second though
I would always root against the Lakers it didn't matter who they played and I remember watching the series with him and he came up with excuses and said wait until next year
Well that next year the Spurs ended up getting swept by the Lakers and that dynasty started lol but I still stuck with Tim and until this day he's still my favorite player
KD is a close second though
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If we're gonna do the whole stats mumbo jumbo, let's take a look at their stats per 36 minutes at age 35...
http://www.basketball-ref...players/d/duncati01.html
http://www.basketball-ref...players/m/malonka01.html
Tim Duncan (at 35, per 36 mins): 18.2 points, 10.8 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 1.7 blocks, 47.5% FG
Karl Malone (at 35, per 36 mins): 22.9 points, 9.1 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 0.9 blocks, 49.5% FG
They are/were playing at a pretty close level of excellence, just that Duncan plays less minutes (and this is true pretty much for his entire career). Duncan's numbers aren't necessarily WOW-worthy because he hasn't played more than 35 minutes per game since 2003. And this is by Popovich's design. Credit Malone for putting up the great stats over more minutes, but I don't think it's really fair to TD to be saying his stats aren't up to par just because Popovich had bigger goals for his team than winning regular season games.
Plus, defense is almost impossible to represent with stats and Duncan has been as good as you can get defensively most of his career.
(Just for kicks you should check out the Per 36 minutes stats for Duncan's whole career. You can NOT get much more consistent than this man.)
I remember years ago reading Pop telling Duncan (paraphrasing) "I've pretty much ruined your career stats." Tim just laughed it off, saying he didn't care.
Edit: This is NOT a knock on Malone, as Malone was an absolute beast who can be argued as well for GOAT PF. But just saying that if you're gonna look at stats, there's much more to it than just per game regular season averages.
http://www.basketball-ref...players/d/duncati01.html
http://www.basketball-ref...players/m/malonka01.html
Tim Duncan (at 35, per 36 mins): 18.2 points, 10.8 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 1.7 blocks, 47.5% FG
Karl Malone (at 35, per 36 mins): 22.9 points, 9.1 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 0.9 blocks, 49.5% FG
They are/were playing at a pretty close level of excellence, just that Duncan plays less minutes (and this is true pretty much for his entire career). Duncan's numbers aren't necessarily WOW-worthy because he hasn't played more than 35 minutes per game since 2003. And this is by Popovich's design. Credit Malone for putting up the great stats over more minutes, but I don't think it's really fair to TD to be saying his stats aren't up to par just because Popovich had bigger goals for his team than winning regular season games.
Plus, defense is almost impossible to represent with stats and Duncan has been as good as you can get defensively most of his career.
(Just for kicks you should check out the Per 36 minutes stats for Duncan's whole career. You can NOT get much more consistent than this man.)
I remember years ago reading Pop telling Duncan (paraphrasing) "I've pretty much ruined your career stats." Tim just laughed it off, saying he didn't care.
Edit: This is NOT a knock on Malone, as Malone was an absolute beast who can be argued as well for GOAT PF. But just saying that if you're gonna look at stats, there's much more to it than just per game regular season averages.
Like going out in the first round last year, or getting swept in the second round the year before, or first round year before that.........
Yeah, savin him up the last 3 years workin wonders there.
Oh and by the way, TIM DUNCAN IS NOT A POWER FORWARD ANYMORE, THE MAN IS A CENTER.
But other then that, yeah you right.
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How does the Spurs' recent playoff success have anything to do with the simple fact that Duncan plays less minutes than Malone? The fact that it didn't WORK has no relevance on the fact that Popovich DID explicitly and intentionally limit Duncan's (as well as all his starters) minutes thus making statistical arguments specious and spurious at best. Wasn't trying to argue for or against anything else.Originally Posted by CP1708
Like going out in the first round last year, or getting swept in the second round the year before, or first round year before that.........
Yeah, savin him up the last 3 years workin wonders there.
Oh and by the way, TIM DUNCAN IS NOT A POWER FORWARD ANYMORE, THE MAN IS A CENTER.
But other then that, yeah you right.
I even said that Malone has an arguable case for GOAT PF. ::
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I don't get the hate towards Duncan, he's one of the best big men ever
Not a fan, but you have to respect his accomplishments and his skills
I personally think Malone is his prime was better though
Not a fan, but you have to respect his accomplishments and his skills
I personally think Malone is his prime was better though
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its not a knock its just i am considering his circumstance... most of the all time great big men he faced he did so in the twlight of their careers, while he was at his peak, and most of the good/great big men of today he is facing at his twlight years and many arent at their peaks.
I mean even at center he was battling the likes of a constant hurt yao, bryant country reeves, tractor traylor, olowakandi, kwame brown, etc.... in his peak. I mean not saying he sucked but i mean you kinda do look bigger then life when your facing the likes of a yi, eddy curry....
It would mean more if it was a prime still very good zo, ewing, mutumbo etc.. or at pf a malone, rodman, larry johnson, kevin willis, oakley, etc...
Malone however was puttin up great numbers one on a team that really had no other scoring options thus making it more difficult for him to score cause he was a focal point. and two the competition he faced....
im pretty sure the numbers malone produced in his best years would far exceed what they were if he wasnt battling players in the likes of mchale, barkley, derrick coleman, cliff robinson on a nightly basis. hell you even had a tough night facing shawn kemp, danning manning, vin baker.
I mean outside of tim and shaq, sheed, kg, webber and dirk in which it is kinda questionable.... What players of the last decade as far big men are there? That where even good/great thru the past 10 yrs? and two of those players due to injuries etc werent even dominant great most of the last decade, and another one stepped up and became great about halfway thru the decade.
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Duncan is great but not better than Malone in any way.
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the lone fact that he from the VI alone is appreciated.
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Karl Malone is a slightly better offensive player, it's pretty difficult to argue that Timmy is better, there are very players to have ever graced basketball court that are more effective the The Mailman.
What gives Timmy the edge is his complete dominance defensively for 15+ years while Karl vacillated between being a non factor or mediocre.
Tim Duncan is the best player of the last decade at the most valuable position in basketball, to me that can go without question.
What gives Timmy the edge is his complete dominance defensively for 15+ years while Karl vacillated between being a non factor or mediocre.
Tim Duncan is the best player of the last decade at the most valuable position in basketball, to me that can go without question.
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Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh
Karl Malone is a slightly better offensive player, it's pretty difficult to argue that Timmy is better, there are very players to have ever graced basketball court that are more effective the The Mailman.
What gives Timmy the edge is his complete dominance defensively for 15+ years while Karl vacillated between being a non factor or mediocre.
Tim Duncan is the best player of the last decade at the most valuable position in basketball, to me that can go without question.
id argue 15 yrs seeing he has only played 15 yrs.... and do to the fact i can stress it enough that in his prime there werent even 10 great/good big men playing in the game... be hard press to name really more then 5. I know it isnt timmys fault but to put up great numbers against 80% of your competition werent even good enough to last longer then a few years in the league. or were on the last leg of their careers really isnt a big woooooooooow to me. Its kinda how jr smith is overseas getting 50+ pt 20+ rbs 15 ast nights. Now if he was pulling numbers like this playing against the likes of a kobe, lebron, etc.... yes im impressed.
playing big against players in which are of equal skill set, or has an advantage in size impresses me more. versus playing big against players who arent even in the same level of play and you have height, size advantage. Plus lets not forget how much the game has changed, you cant play physical ball anymore. Imagine hip checks, clips full forced box outs by the likes of a charles oakley, rodman... and still betting them to the rim etc..
Nowadays you cant even get barely in arm length of a player without a foul being called, and being that you cant play up close to a man and you are at a height disadvantage.
and yea duncan competed against some all time greats... but it was when they were 12+ years in the league, in late 30's early 40's or guys who were at best journeymen or didnt even last past their initial contract.
Are we going to say a player is better then lets say a kobe when he is in his prime and kobe is out in his 19th season? Or a player is a better scorer then durant when a player is in his prime and durant in pushing 40?
If the league stays diluted in big men how it is now are we gonna say dwight howard is one or is the greatest big man of all time becuase of how he dominants the likes of players like javelle mcgee. And ignore players like akeem, ewing, robinson etc... who dominated against worthy opponents?
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Duncan's a bad defender now? Hardly. Yes, you are a Tim hater, I've seen you at lengths try to discredit dude in multiple situations.
Tim Duncan is still a very good player in this league. He is a coach on the court essentially and makes all those guys better still.
Tim Duncan is still a very good player in this league. He is a coach on the court essentially and makes all those guys better still.
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Yeah because we're supposed to win every yearOriginally Posted by CP1708
Like going out in the first round last year, or getting swept in the second round the year before, or first round year before that.........
Yeah, savin him up the last 3 years workin wonders there.
Oh and by the way, TIM DUNCAN IS NOT A POWER FORWARD ANYMORE, THE MAN IS A CENTER.
But other then that, yeah you right.
