Breaking Bad Thread - "El Camino" - A Breaking Bad Movie on Netflix 10/11

ScottHallWithAPick said:

Anyone go through the "White's supremacy, destroyed by white supremacists." theory?

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mfreshm said:

Man jesse really needs a painful death.

huell snitching was hilarious he gave up quick

Can't wait for next week. Team Todd/Walter White

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swendro88 said:

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mfreshm said:

Man jesse really needs a painful death.

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Rexanglorum said:

It is probably due to the fact that I am a strong social critic but I just cannot see Walter White as a "bad guy." Most of what he does is not morally wrong. He made a product that folks buy willingly. Yes, meth is potentially addictive but he got rich by making something which people pay for of their own free will. He did not make millions by selling government backed mortgaged back securities, he does not sell weapons to governments, he does not operate private and for-profit prisons and all of his drug related business activity produced less pollution than many gas and oil and energy companies produce in a minute.

Most of the people he killed or ordered killed were dangerous, violent people who were going to kill him. Walter White and the homicides associated with him were not all justifiable but they are things that when done by a spy or soldier or policeman or politicians are at worst excused as collateral damage and more often are valorized and offered high honors.

Walter White is a man who did not have the inherited wealth, social capital, political access and personal connections to allow himself to become rich by trading on Wall Street, contracting with government or holding elected office and selling access and influence over public policy to the highest bidder.

The twin monsters in our society, High Finance (this not only can include Wall Street firms but also any entity that makes money because of state granted funding or privileges) and the "Security" Class (the entire nexus of Military, Law Enforcement and the public and private interests that create no wealth and are funded by extraction from those who do produce) complement each other.

Both groups have an interest in keeping the common man ignorant, sober, industrious, in perpetual debt and willing to work and work and work and smile and cheerfully see most of their output claimed by either a financial elite, that dominates most of this country's capital and takes much of their output in the form of low pay, and then the "security" classes all get their cut through taxation, tickets, court imposed fines, wage garnishments and all of this done at the point of a metaphorical gun that quickly turns into real guns and real manacles and real dungeons when a person defies this status quo.

Walter White defied this Status Quo, he is villain as far the ruling classes are concerned. Walt's worst acts are seen by the elite as his least worrisome actions. Poisoning a child and having a non violent person like Gale murdered in cold blood are all excusable (the fictional Jesse Pinkman and the very real James "******" Bulger and countless others, who inform for law enforcement, suddenly find that the meaning of murder is very flexible in the eyes of the law).

For the ruling elite, what is inexcusable is making money outside of the reach of the banks and the taxman. That is why murderous informants are given clemency as long as they inform on the people who generate capital through voluntary transactions that occur outside of the rigid, top heavy, strict hierarchy that has been designed for the benefit of a very small few all at the expense of the vast masses of the powerless and the unconnected.

People like Hank and Jesse are some of the worst people in our society. They are both the perfect servants of the status quo. Jesse Pinkman, may be a person who took drugs and listened to vulgar music but just beneath his outlaw veneer is a privileged son of the petite bourgeoisie and the core of his world view caused him to think that doing just a fraction of social harm that the ruling classes do is something that must consume Jesse with guilt.

That guilt, that socially generated guilt that festered inside of Jesse is what caused him to regard his genuinely hard won good life as something of which he was unworthy, is what caused Jesse to ultimately give his fealty to unjust laws and an illogical and unjust social order and in so doing he defied deeper, more just, more reasonable laws derived from nature. He betrayed his comrade in arms and the man with whom he shed blood, sweat and tears and he made common cause with Hank, the state sponsored thug, who had deliberately brutalized him in the past and who had spend many hours and days of his life in an effort to see him penniless and trapped in a state sponsored dungeon.

Walter White, with his immense, genius can see through the the hypocrisy and the perversion of the concepts of justice and morality by our elites but by doing so has spent the entire show being attacked by not only formal, state established institutions like the DEA, IRS and APD but many of his enemies have been people like Skylar, Marie and even Jesse, who are not part of the elite but whose very thoughts have been so strongly shaped by ruling classes that they truly see Walter White as a villain, as a "bad guy," as a "crook," as a a menace, as a scofflaw and generally as someone who must be severely punished for daring to claim a bit of agency and control over his destiny and doing so without permission from the establishment.

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Ishnaga said:

rewatching episode....Andrea could get the bidnazzz the BIDnazzzzzz... i like her  mmhmm

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Big J 33 said:

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Rexanglorum said:

It is probably due to the fact that I am a strong social critic but I just cannot see Walter White as a "bad guy." Most of what he does is not morally wrong. He made a product that folks buy willingly. Yes, meth is potentially addictive but he got rich by making something which people pay for of their own free will. He did not make millions by selling government backed mortgaged back securities, he does not sell weapons to governments, he does not operate private and for-profit prisons and all of his drug related business activity produced less pollution than many gas and oil and energy companies produce in a minute.

Most of the people he killed or ordered killed were dangerous, violent people who were going to kill him. Walter White and the homicides associated with him were not all justifiable but they are things that when done by a spy or soldier or policeman or politicians are at worst excused as collateral damage and more often are valorized and offered high honors.

Walter White is a man who did not have the inherited wealth, social capital, political access and personal connections to allow himself to become rich by trading on Wall Street, contracting with government or holding elected office and selling access and influence over public policy to the highest bidder.

The twin monsters in our society, High Finance (this not only can include Wall Street firms but also any entity that makes money because of state granted funding or privileges) and the "Security" Class (the entire nexus of Military, Law Enforcement and the public and private interests that create no wealth and are funded by extraction from those who do produce) complement each other.

Both groups have an interest in keeping the common man ignorant, sober, industrious, in perpetual debt and willing to work and work and work and smile and cheerfully see most of their output claimed by either a financial elite, that dominates most of this country's capital and takes much of their output in the form of low pay, and then the "security" classes all get their cut through taxation, tickets, court imposed fines, wage garnishments and all of this done at the point of a metaphorical gun that quickly turns into real guns and real manacles and real dungeons when a person defies this status quo.

Walter White defied this Status Quo, he is villain as far the ruling classes are concerned. Walt's worst acts are seen by the elite as his least worrisome actions. Poisoning a child and having a non violent person like Gale murdered in cold blood are all excusable (the fictional Jesse Pinkman and the very real James "******" Bulger and countless others, who inform for law enforcement, suddenly find that the meaning of murder is very flexible in the eyes of the law).

For the ruling elite, what is inexcusable is making money outside of the reach of the banks and the taxman. That is why murderous informants are given clemency as long as they inform on the people who generate capital through voluntary transactions that occur outside of the rigid, top heavy, strict hierarchy that has been designed for the benefit of a very small few all at the expense of the vast masses of the powerless and the unconnected.

People like Hank and Jesse are some of the worst people in our society. They are both the perfect servants of the status quo. Jesse Pinkman, may be a person who took drugs and listened to vulgar music but just beneath his outlaw veneer is a privileged son of the petite bourgeoisie and the core of his world view caused him to think that doing just a fraction of social harm that the ruling classes do is something that must consume Jesse with guilt.

That guilt, that socially generated guilt that festered inside of Jesse is what caused him to regard his genuinely hard won good life as something of which he was unworthy, is what caused Jesse to ultimately give his fealty to unjust laws and an illogical and unjust social order and in so doing he defied deeper, more just, more reasonable laws derived from nature. He betrayed his comrade in arms and the man with whom he shed blood, sweat and tears and he made common cause with Hank, the state sponsored thug, who had deliberately brutalized him in the past and who had spend many hours and days of his life in an effort to see him penniless and trapped in a state sponsored dungeon.

Walter White, with his immense, genius can see through the the hypocrisy and the perversion of the concepts of justice and morality by our elites but by doing so has spent the entire show being attacked by not only formal, state established institutions like the DEA, IRS and APD but many of his enemies have been people like Skylar, Marie and even Jesse, who are not part of the elite but whose very thoughts have been so strongly shaped by ruling classes that they truly see Walter White as a villain, as a "bad guy," as a "crook," as a a menace, as a scofflaw and generally as someone who must be severely punished for daring to claim a bit of agency and control over his destiny and doing so without permission from the establishment.

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Magic1978 said:

I hated the coordinates part. What, they went and googled that? There's an app?

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