NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

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Does anyone want to talk to me about why they think Denver wins?


I just can't see it, to be honest.

its simple seattles offense cant score enough points to keep up with denver, dont get me wrong i think seattles defense will get some stops maybe one or two 3 and outs but denver will still put up at least 30 points, seattle isnt putting up 30 pts...
 
Their ability to score even and then a lack of faith in Seattle being able to open up and provide enough offense of down? That would be my basic reasoning. Not saying I think Denver will win though
 
seattle will be able to run the ball , i have no doubt... Lynch, Russ, and percy getting some carries... they gunna be multiple
 
lol at the skittles charity items. #GoHawks.

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Does anyone want to talk to me about why they think Denver wins?

I just can't see it, to be honest.
Because Denver will be able to still score 25 points or something like that. And Can Seattle score enough to keep up? 

You're not going to shut down Manning. 

Seattle's offense leaves a lot to be desired and it will be up to Wilson to make plays. Denver will stack the box to stop Lynch. 

But on the other hand, Denver has so many weapons, Seattle can't stop them all. 
 
Sherman on DT.


Cam / Early on Julius / patrolling the middle.


The only person I can see having a big day is Welker, until he gets knocked and then the alligator arms come into play.


This game is 50/50.


Gonna come down to who makes more mistakes.


so all of sudden the bronocs offense is going to go ghost? the colts offense had alot of success against the seattle defense im sure denver will have no problem. also seattle said they dont disguise their defensive coverage pre snap, thats going to be a big problem playing against peyton manning...
 
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No one said the Denver offense is going ghost.


But this game is Denver's offense vs Seattles

Defense.


Manning is gonna get his, I see the 21-27 point range.

like i said, seattle doesnt disguise their defensive coverages thats going to be a problem...
 
These are heavy assumptions and based on what was seen from Seattle the last 4 or 5 weeks.

Let's not forget that they were going up against top tier defenses in all of those contests. Russell, while nothing gaudy and a few mistakes here and there, made some big plays when needed to. I suppose my faith in Russ is much more than most and I don't see Denver's defense (albeit mainly because of injuries) being anything like what he has been facing of late.

Also, I keep hearing people mention that Seattle's D has never faced an offense like Denver's. While true, you can say the same exact thing by flipping it around. If you dig a little deeper, you'll notice that Seattle has 4 CB's who could all start in the NFL. Add Kam and Earl to that mix and you have 6 guys that can really ball. That more than makes up the weapons that Denver has. Crazy stat I heard this morning...Teams have only thrown 8 times to the middle of the field against Seattle the ENTIRE year. Now that could be completions, but still...That's unreal. Earl Thomas actually brought that stat up. While I think Denver can complete passing in the middle, it probably won't be for the big play. What this means is the field for Denver will be flattened and there won't be many, if any, big plays down the field unless you bank on Decker or DT making plays against those CB's. Maybe one or two, but nothing substantial. Drives will have to be long and methodical. This to me goes hand in hand with the fact that in the past 44 games, Seattle has not lost by more than 7 points. Yes. This is true. Seattle either blows teams out or loses close. Denver will not pull away.

Add in Percy Harvin to that offense, but most importantly, as a kick returner (easily Seattle's biggest weakness) and suddenly their offense is injected with MVP-type talent. Marshawn will gash where needed and Russell will not make any mistakes down the stretch to hurt Seattle (siding with history here). Also, Peyton will not get away with some of those flutters he has been getting away with in their playoff games against SD and NE. No way. Those will be picked.

Seattle wins 26-24.
 
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Have Seattle winning by 6, but wouldn't mind both Manning brothers have 4 combined rings. :pimp:

Cheers to a good game.
 
How is that a problem?


Hasn't been a problem the last 2 years.


The WRs aren't getting behind the defense, most of DTs damage is done on short routes or busted coverage.


As long as Seattle keeps everything infront of them ( which they have all year ) I don't see this being some game where manning torches everyone.


He's going to make a mistake or 2.


He got away with it the first 2 games against Chargers / Pats, poorly thrown balls and some bad decisions made, much like how Kap got away with it against GB / Car and then he payed.



well its gonna be a problem now, seattle hasnt played peyton manning in the last 2 years, dude anyone who knows peytons game knows that he is a master at reading what your doing pre snap and will pick you apart, thats why anyone who plays against peyton always disguises coverages pre snap, why do you think peyton waits till 1 to 2 seconds on the play clock to snap the ball...
 
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Does anyone want to talk to me about why they think Denver wins?

I just can't see it, to be honest.

It's going to be close either way. The way Denver wins:
1) Continue controlling the clock like they've done the last two playoff games. Dink and dunk, hit the open man, pick up 5-8 yard chunks.
2) Run the football. Said this earlier:

People might be overlooking the Denver rushing offense in the game, too. Seattle has been stout, but this year they gave up:

86 yards on 17 carries to DeAngelo Williams. (away game)
102 yards + 44 yards to Arian Foster and Ben Tate. (away game)
56 yards eek.gif + 37 yards to Trent Richardson and Donald Brown. (away game)
134 yards to Zac Stacy. (away game)
158 yards to Mike James. (home game)
110 yards to Frank Gore (away game + he had one big run)
57 and 44 yards to Khiry Robinson and Mark Ingram (home game)

We've seen Ball and Moreno's ability to pick up huge chunks of yardage. Could be the difference Denver needs, esp. if the weather sucks.

3) Ignore Sherman's side of the field. Peyton will inevitably try him... just like he tried Ty Law and Tracy Porter. Don't. He has more weapons than ever. Use Caldwell, Green, Tamme, Welker, and the RBs.
4) Continue stuffing the run. They've given up 70 yards rushing per game since the SD loss.
5) Penalties. Read a stat that the Seahawks had more PI and defensive holding penalties than any other team in the NFL. Flags will def. be thrown.

Any Given Sunday.
 
I don't think Peyton gets away with those short passes and screens all game, Seattle will be all over it.
 
I don't think Peyton gets away with those short passes and screens all game, Seattle will be all over it.

The physicality of Seattle is what would worry me if I'm keeping it short all game, which I think is what they have to do anyway. It will be an extreme grind for Denver to drive the field. They'll get their scores, but it will come at a price.

I agree about Moreno. He's the x-factor. I don't think he gets 100, but he should get yards when called upon to keep Denver in this game.
 
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These are heavy assumptions and based on what was seen from Seattle the last 4 or 5 weeks.

Let's not forget that they were going up against top tier defenses in all of those contests. Russell, while nothing gaudy and a few mistakes here and there, made some big plays when needed to. I suppose my faith in Russ is much more than most and I don't see Denver's defense (albeit mainly because of injuries) being anything like what he has been facing of late.

Also, I keep hearing people mention that Seattle's D has never faced an offense like Denver's. While true, you can say the same exact thing by flipping it around. If you dig a little deeper, you'll notice that Seattle has 4 CB's who could all start in the NFL. Add Kam and Earl to that mix and you have 6 guys that can really ball. That more than makes up the weapons that Denver has. Crazy stat I heard this morning...Teams have only thrown 8 times to the middle of the field against Seattle the ENTIRE year. Now that could be completions, but still...That's unreal. Earl Thomas actually brought that stat up. While I think Denver can complete passing in the middle, it probably won't be for the big play. What this means is the field for Denver will be flattened and there won't be many, if any, big plays down the field unless you bank on Decker or DT making plays against those CB's. Maybe one or two, but nothing substantial. Drives will have to be long and methodical. This to me goes hand in hand with the fact that in the past 44 games, Seattle has not lost by more than 7 points. Yes. This is true. Seattle either blows teams out or loses close. Denver will not pull away.

Add in Percy Harvin to that offense, but most importantly, as a kick returner (easily Seattle's biggest weakness) and suddenly their offense is injected with MVP-type talent. Marshawn will gash where needed and Russell will not make any mistakes down the stretch to hurt Seattle (siding with history here). Also, Peyton will not get away with some of those flutters he has been getting away with in their playoff games against SD and NE. No way. Those will be picked.

Seattle wins 26-24.

Lets not forgot Seattle hasn't played a top 10 offense outside of New Orleans all season.

They played them at home twice and New Orleans plays dramatically different on the reason.

Denver is going to score no matter what.
 
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everyone keeps saying they dont see how the broncos could win this game, honestly how can you see seattle winning this game? what team has seattle payed that has a fire power offense this year? honestly besides sf, indy, and carolina who have they really played this year?
 
Because in the history of the Super Bowl, usually the team with a top tier better defense limits the firepower of the offense. The team with the better offense has won before, but not significantly (Rams/Titans). And they did play the Saints. At home, yes, but they seriously rendered that entire offense useless on both occassions. The physicality of their defense destroyed that Saints offense and the games weren't even that close.

It's the Super Bowl. Forget all this "Seattle can't win on the road." For one, they can, but two...this is a neutral field and again...it's the SB. They'll feed off the crowd and the stage of the game just the same as a home game.
 
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I understand the bad calls, but it is misapplied hate. Should be angry at an incompetent referee and crew, one that had no business doing a SB. Not the Steelers fault nor in any way a reflection of 'what they stand for'


Side note, I actually watched this game last weekend for the first time in a while. While the bad calls were abundant, Seattle played sloppy as well and didn't help their own cause. Multiple missed FGs and opportunities. Sloppy game all around really, but let's focus on this year, this Seattle team is miles better than 05

I hear what your saying, still hate everything.associated with the steelers and.their rapist QB
 
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