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By Chris Sheridan
ESPN.com
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Updated: January 17, 2008Comment
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The NBA executives we've spoken to are nearly unanimous in their belief that Pau Gasol of the Memphis Grizzlies is the most likely high-profile player tobe dealt before next month's NBA trading deadline. They cautioned, however, that the unsettled situation surrounding the New York Knicks could change theleague's entire landscape in the next five weeks.
Seems the fans at Madison Square Garden aren't the only ones chanting "Fire Isiah." Executives from a handful of teams around the NBA are voicingsimilar sentiments following nearly a month of all talk and no action emanating from Manhattan.
Sources told ESPN.com that the New York Knicks have been one of the more active teams in trade discussions around the NBA. But team president and head coachIsiah Thomas has quashed numerous proposals put together by his top assistant, Glen Grunwald, mainly because of Thomas' reluctance to part with the twoplayers other teams ask for the most, Jamal Crawford and David Lee.
One proposed deal would have sent Crawford and a cap filler (Malik Rose and/or Jerome James) to the New Jersey Nets for Vince Carter. Another would have sentCrawford and others to the Cleveland Cavaliers for a package built around Larry Hughes. A third deal, which was squashed by the Bucks, would have sent ZachRandolph to Milwaukee.
The feeling around the NBA, from discussions with front office executives, agents, scouts and coaches, is that the uncertainty surrounding Thomas' jobstatus -- along with possible resistance from ownership -- is keeping the Knicks from pulling the trigger on any trades. But should owner James Dolan decide tofire Thomas and make Grunwald the new (and most likely temporary) architect of the roster, the breakup of the team would commence almost immediately, and therewould then be a ripple effect that would impact other trade discussions around the league.
If Gasol is dealt, it would mark the 10th time in the past season and a half that a superstar player -- or at least a player making superstar money -- hadswitched teams via a trade. The legit superstars who were traded were Allen Iverson, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen, and the paid-like-superstar players(currently earning at least $10 million) were Rashard Lewis, Randolph, Jason Richardson, Theo Ratliff, Wally Szczerbiak and Steve Francis.
With many other players like that scattered throughout the league, and rumors running hot, it's time to take a close, educated look at the trade prospects-- or, in some cases, the lack thereof -- for a wide cross-section of both the league's best and its highest-paid players:
Kobe Bryant, Lakers
If he hadn't vetoed every trade proposal that would have sent Luol Deng to the Lakers, he'd already be playing in Chicago -- and Scott Skiles wouldprobably still have a job. But with the Lakers now sitting atop the Western Conference and Bryant saying they are a "championship caliber" team witha healthy Andrew Bynum, the landscape has changed considerably.
Still, until Bryant says he no longer desires a trade -- and he has declined myriad opportunities to do so -- the issue will remain open.
Bryant's main leverage at this point, if he wants out, would be to tell the Lakers that if they don't trade him -- either by the deadline or before thestart of next season -- he will opt out of his contract in the summer of 2009. He could then refuse to agree to any sign-and-trade deals, which would leave theLakers getting nothing for him in return.
Shaquille O'Neal, Heat
Miami coach Pat Riley used the word "mandate" Tuesday when he said ownership wants him to get below the luxury tax threshold of $67.875 million,which would mean he needs to trim about $6 million off his payroll by Feb. 21.
Riley said he has no plans to trade O'Neal, who makes $20 million (this season and two more seasons). But he also threw the thought out there that a fewteams might believe that Shaq is just the player to make them title contenders.
It is unclear whether O'Neal would welcome a trade, but keep in mind that he is going through a divorce and might embrace a move to a new city. With theHeat, losers of 11 straight, in last place in the East, we could envision O'Neal's being happier in Dallas (which could get him by using Keith Van Hornin a sign-and-trade) or East Rutherford, N.J., which is close to his Newark roots.
Jason Kidd, Nets
There is no question management was furious with him for his purported one-day strike last month when he skipped a game against New York with what he called a"migraine headache." But emotions have cooled down and the team has played better in the four weeks since.
Kidd still wants the Nets to give him a contract extension and bring in an athletic power forward. If neither happens by Feb. 21, we'll be awaiting hisnext tantrum.
An agent for one of Kidd's teammates believes the Nets would trade Kidd if they could get a point guard and a power forward back.
Pau Gasol, Grizzlies
When the Bulls wanted him last year, their refusal to include Luol Deng killed the deal. If that line of thinking has changed in Chicago, the Bulls can get himwith some combination of Deng, Tyrus Thomas and/or Joakim Noah (and P.J. Brown in a sign-and-trade to make the salaries match). A source close to Gasol saidthe Cleveland Cavaliers were also trying to obtain him, but the Cavs' big man who interests them most, Anderson Varejao, cannot be traded until the summer.(NBA rules state a player cannot be traded for three months after he signs a contract, and Varejao was signed on Dec. 4, with the trade deadline looming onFeb. 21.)
Tracy McGrady, Rockets
Tough one to figure here. The Rockets' brain trust insists it wants to see how McGrady and Yao Ming perform together under Rick Adelman in the playoffs atleast once before making any decision on whether to move T-Mac.
But folks on other teams insist the Rockets would move McGrady in a heartbeat to get out from under the $63 million he'll make over the next three seasons.Only time will tell.
Gilbert Arenas, Wizards
The Wizards have been playing well with Arenas on the sidelines recently, leading some to speculate that Washington might actually be better off without him. AWizards source says that notion is absolute nonsense. The source said the team is hell-bent on locking him up long-term, after Arenas opts out of his contractand becomes an unrestricted free agent this summer.
A bigger issue for the Wizards will be convincing Antawn Jamison, also an upcoming unrestricted free agent, to re-sign with them for a starting salary thatwill be less than what he is making now ($16.3M).
Jermaine O'Neal, Pacers
Those close to the Pacers' big man, who apparently aggravated a knee injury Wednesday night, said he was emotionally drained at the end of the summer.After hearing his name bandied about in trade talks with the Lakers and Nets, O'Neal turned full circle at the start of this season and made up his mind tostay completely focused on the season ahead.
But Pacers president Larry Bird has been noncommittal as to whether he's still open to the idea of trading O'Neal, so stay tuned.
If the Pacers were open to giving the Grizzlies cap relief by taking on Brian Cardinal's contract (two more years and $13 million owed), they might makethe best trading partner for Memphis in a Gasol-O'Neal deal.
Mike Bibby, Kings
If the Cavs want him, they're going to have to take back Kenny Thomas' contract as well -- something Cleveland insiders have said is a deal-breaker.But the Cavs and Kings have had at least three sets of trade discussions centered around Bibby in the past year, including three days of intense discussionsimmediately prior to last season's deadline.
Sacramento is in no hurry; the franchise's decision-makers want to see how the team performs over the next month now that everyone except ShareefAbdur-Rahim is finally healthy. As of now, odds are the Cavs end up with a different point guard by the time the deadline passes, anyone from Tyronn Lue toMarcus Banks to Earl Watson.
Ron Artest, Kings
He'd be wearing a Knicks uniform by now if Isiah Thomas had been willing to trade Nate Robinson and Renaldo Balkman (though you should not believe for asecond Thomas' statement from last week that everyone on his team is untouchable).
Artest can opt out of his contract at the end of this season, and he has said he would sign with New York for the midlevel exception. But Artest will sayanything, and he's also said he wants to stay in Sacto for the rest of his career.
Shawn Marion, Suns
With all the focus on a possible Kobe Bryant trade in October, it almost flew under the radar when Marion told the Suns he wanted out. But after Phoenix'stalks with Utah -- in a potential deal of Marion for Andrei Kirilenko -- fizzled out, the Suns and Marion worked out some of their differences and are nowpeacefully co-existing.
The issue is all but certain to resurface over the summer. Marion is going to want a contract extension from any team that acquires him, and it's debatablewhether he's worth the kind of money he's making ($16.4 million and $17.8 million this season and next).
Amare Stoudemire, Suns
The Suns were willing to move him over the summer when they thought they could get Garnett, and then his name pretty much dropped out of the rumor mill. Butone source close to the team told ESPN.com that the Suns very quietly revisited the idea of moving Stoudemire early in December, which would lead one tobelieve they'll at least be open to fielding offers as the deadline nears.
Just a thought, but doesn't Stoudemire and Atlanta's No. 1 pick, which the Suns own from a prior trade, for Gasol and Hakim Warrick make some sense forboth teams? If not that one, what about Stoudemire for Rasheed Wallace?
Richard Jefferson, Nets
There were serious three-team trade discussions among the Nets, Lakers and Bobcats last June that would have sent Lamar Odom to New Jersey, but the Bobcatspulled out because they liked the Richardson deal better.
Jefferson is now having the best season of his career, so his trade value has never been higher. With the Nets desperate for a power forward and more inclinedto keep Kidd than trade him, it makes sense that Jefferson -- whose value has eclipsed that of Carter in the estimation of many teams -- would be the key piecein any Nets trade.
Andrei Kirilenko, Jazz
By all accounts, Jerry Sloan has followed through on his vow to go easier on Kirilenko this season, and things are now copacetic between the two.
Mehmet Okur was the player the Jazz were down on until he started returning to form a couple weeks ago. Okur is much more tradable than Kirilenko, with asalary of $8.5M this season and next and $9M in 2009-10.
Wally Szczerbiak, SuperSonics
He makes $12 million this season and $13 million next season, and he can still shoot it. If the Sonics could get him off their cap along with Earl Watson (twomore years at $6.2M and $6.6M) in one fell swoop, they'd likely do it if they could get back expiring contracts and some kind of sweetener. Jason Williams,Dorell Wright and Ricky Davis for Wally and Watson is said to be in the works, by the way. And Miami could sweeten it with one or all of the three second-roundpicks it has in the upcoming draft (its own, Philadelphia's and Indiana's).
Samuel Dalembert, 76ers
All the speculation surrounding Philadelphia's next trade has centered around Andre Miller -- though we hear that Gordan Giricek will actually be the nextplayer the Sixers move. But if Philadelphia is going to make a hard run at Elton Brand on the free-agent market this coming summer (assuming he opts out of hiscontract), the Sixers will need to clear Dalembert's $10.25 salary for next season off their books. Dalembert, though, also has a 7.5 percent trade kicker,which makes him very tough to move.
Theo Ratliff, Timberwolves
He makes the list not because of his talent, but because of his salary, $11.6 million, which comes off the books after this season.
Also, we expect him to take a buyout in late February and then sign with a team needing extra size -- perhaps Boston or Phoenix -- for the postseason.
Ben Wallace, Bulls
We could put anybody from the Bulls on this list, but Big Ben is the only one of them making beaucoup bucks. Also, his salary drops from $15.5M this year to$14.5M and then $14M over the next two seasons.
Again, just a thought: But wouldn't Wallace for Zach Randolph make sense for two teams that are more or less due to make another deal with each other?
Chris Sheridan covers the NBA for ESPN Insider. To e-mail Chris, click here.
By Chris Sheridan
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: January 17, 2008Comment
The NBA executives we've spoken to are nearly unanimous in their belief that Pau Gasol of the Memphis Grizzlies is the most likely high-profile player tobe dealt before next month's NBA trading deadline. They cautioned, however, that the unsettled situation surrounding the New York Knicks could change theleague's entire landscape in the next five weeks.
Seems the fans at Madison Square Garden aren't the only ones chanting "Fire Isiah." Executives from a handful of teams around the NBA are voicingsimilar sentiments following nearly a month of all talk and no action emanating from Manhattan.
Sources told ESPN.com that the New York Knicks have been one of the more active teams in trade discussions around the NBA. But team president and head coachIsiah Thomas has quashed numerous proposals put together by his top assistant, Glen Grunwald, mainly because of Thomas' reluctance to part with the twoplayers other teams ask for the most, Jamal Crawford and David Lee.
One proposed deal would have sent Crawford and a cap filler (Malik Rose and/or Jerome James) to the New Jersey Nets for Vince Carter. Another would have sentCrawford and others to the Cleveland Cavaliers for a package built around Larry Hughes. A third deal, which was squashed by the Bucks, would have sent ZachRandolph to Milwaukee.
The feeling around the NBA, from discussions with front office executives, agents, scouts and coaches, is that the uncertainty surrounding Thomas' jobstatus -- along with possible resistance from ownership -- is keeping the Knicks from pulling the trigger on any trades. But should owner James Dolan decide tofire Thomas and make Grunwald the new (and most likely temporary) architect of the roster, the breakup of the team would commence almost immediately, and therewould then be a ripple effect that would impact other trade discussions around the league.
If Gasol is dealt, it would mark the 10th time in the past season and a half that a superstar player -- or at least a player making superstar money -- hadswitched teams via a trade. The legit superstars who were traded were Allen Iverson, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen, and the paid-like-superstar players(currently earning at least $10 million) were Rashard Lewis, Randolph, Jason Richardson, Theo Ratliff, Wally Szczerbiak and Steve Francis.
With many other players like that scattered throughout the league, and rumors running hot, it's time to take a close, educated look at the trade prospects-- or, in some cases, the lack thereof -- for a wide cross-section of both the league's best and its highest-paid players:
Kobe Bryant, Lakers
If he hadn't vetoed every trade proposal that would have sent Luol Deng to the Lakers, he'd already be playing in Chicago -- and Scott Skiles wouldprobably still have a job. But with the Lakers now sitting atop the Western Conference and Bryant saying they are a "championship caliber" team witha healthy Andrew Bynum, the landscape has changed considerably.
Still, until Bryant says he no longer desires a trade -- and he has declined myriad opportunities to do so -- the issue will remain open.
Bryant's main leverage at this point, if he wants out, would be to tell the Lakers that if they don't trade him -- either by the deadline or before thestart of next season -- he will opt out of his contract in the summer of 2009. He could then refuse to agree to any sign-and-trade deals, which would leave theLakers getting nothing for him in return.
Shaquille O'Neal, Heat
Miami coach Pat Riley used the word "mandate" Tuesday when he said ownership wants him to get below the luxury tax threshold of $67.875 million,which would mean he needs to trim about $6 million off his payroll by Feb. 21.
Riley said he has no plans to trade O'Neal, who makes $20 million (this season and two more seasons). But he also threw the thought out there that a fewteams might believe that Shaq is just the player to make them title contenders.
It is unclear whether O'Neal would welcome a trade, but keep in mind that he is going through a divorce and might embrace a move to a new city. With theHeat, losers of 11 straight, in last place in the East, we could envision O'Neal's being happier in Dallas (which could get him by using Keith Van Hornin a sign-and-trade) or East Rutherford, N.J., which is close to his Newark roots.
Jason Kidd, Nets
There is no question management was furious with him for his purported one-day strike last month when he skipped a game against New York with what he called a"migraine headache." But emotions have cooled down and the team has played better in the four weeks since.
Kidd still wants the Nets to give him a contract extension and bring in an athletic power forward. If neither happens by Feb. 21, we'll be awaiting hisnext tantrum.
An agent for one of Kidd's teammates believes the Nets would trade Kidd if they could get a point guard and a power forward back.
Pau Gasol, Grizzlies
When the Bulls wanted him last year, their refusal to include Luol Deng killed the deal. If that line of thinking has changed in Chicago, the Bulls can get himwith some combination of Deng, Tyrus Thomas and/or Joakim Noah (and P.J. Brown in a sign-and-trade to make the salaries match). A source close to Gasol saidthe Cleveland Cavaliers were also trying to obtain him, but the Cavs' big man who interests them most, Anderson Varejao, cannot be traded until the summer.(NBA rules state a player cannot be traded for three months after he signs a contract, and Varejao was signed on Dec. 4, with the trade deadline looming onFeb. 21.)
Tracy McGrady, Rockets
Tough one to figure here. The Rockets' brain trust insists it wants to see how McGrady and Yao Ming perform together under Rick Adelman in the playoffs atleast once before making any decision on whether to move T-Mac.
But folks on other teams insist the Rockets would move McGrady in a heartbeat to get out from under the $63 million he'll make over the next three seasons.Only time will tell.
Gilbert Arenas, Wizards
The Wizards have been playing well with Arenas on the sidelines recently, leading some to speculate that Washington might actually be better off without him. AWizards source says that notion is absolute nonsense. The source said the team is hell-bent on locking him up long-term, after Arenas opts out of his contractand becomes an unrestricted free agent this summer.
A bigger issue for the Wizards will be convincing Antawn Jamison, also an upcoming unrestricted free agent, to re-sign with them for a starting salary thatwill be less than what he is making now ($16.3M).
Jermaine O'Neal, Pacers
Those close to the Pacers' big man, who apparently aggravated a knee injury Wednesday night, said he was emotionally drained at the end of the summer.After hearing his name bandied about in trade talks with the Lakers and Nets, O'Neal turned full circle at the start of this season and made up his mind tostay completely focused on the season ahead.
But Pacers president Larry Bird has been noncommittal as to whether he's still open to the idea of trading O'Neal, so stay tuned.
If the Pacers were open to giving the Grizzlies cap relief by taking on Brian Cardinal's contract (two more years and $13 million owed), they might makethe best trading partner for Memphis in a Gasol-O'Neal deal.
Mike Bibby, Kings
If the Cavs want him, they're going to have to take back Kenny Thomas' contract as well -- something Cleveland insiders have said is a deal-breaker.But the Cavs and Kings have had at least three sets of trade discussions centered around Bibby in the past year, including three days of intense discussionsimmediately prior to last season's deadline.
Sacramento is in no hurry; the franchise's decision-makers want to see how the team performs over the next month now that everyone except ShareefAbdur-Rahim is finally healthy. As of now, odds are the Cavs end up with a different point guard by the time the deadline passes, anyone from Tyronn Lue toMarcus Banks to Earl Watson.
Ron Artest, Kings
He'd be wearing a Knicks uniform by now if Isiah Thomas had been willing to trade Nate Robinson and Renaldo Balkman (though you should not believe for asecond Thomas' statement from last week that everyone on his team is untouchable).
Artest can opt out of his contract at the end of this season, and he has said he would sign with New York for the midlevel exception. But Artest will sayanything, and he's also said he wants to stay in Sacto for the rest of his career.
Shawn Marion, Suns
With all the focus on a possible Kobe Bryant trade in October, it almost flew under the radar when Marion told the Suns he wanted out. But after Phoenix'stalks with Utah -- in a potential deal of Marion for Andrei Kirilenko -- fizzled out, the Suns and Marion worked out some of their differences and are nowpeacefully co-existing.
The issue is all but certain to resurface over the summer. Marion is going to want a contract extension from any team that acquires him, and it's debatablewhether he's worth the kind of money he's making ($16.4 million and $17.8 million this season and next).
Amare Stoudemire, Suns
The Suns were willing to move him over the summer when they thought they could get Garnett, and then his name pretty much dropped out of the rumor mill. Butone source close to the team told ESPN.com that the Suns very quietly revisited the idea of moving Stoudemire early in December, which would lead one tobelieve they'll at least be open to fielding offers as the deadline nears.
Just a thought, but doesn't Stoudemire and Atlanta's No. 1 pick, which the Suns own from a prior trade, for Gasol and Hakim Warrick make some sense forboth teams? If not that one, what about Stoudemire for Rasheed Wallace?
Richard Jefferson, Nets
There were serious three-team trade discussions among the Nets, Lakers and Bobcats last June that would have sent Lamar Odom to New Jersey, but the Bobcatspulled out because they liked the Richardson deal better.
Jefferson is now having the best season of his career, so his trade value has never been higher. With the Nets desperate for a power forward and more inclinedto keep Kidd than trade him, it makes sense that Jefferson -- whose value has eclipsed that of Carter in the estimation of many teams -- would be the key piecein any Nets trade.
Andrei Kirilenko, Jazz
By all accounts, Jerry Sloan has followed through on his vow to go easier on Kirilenko this season, and things are now copacetic between the two.
Mehmet Okur was the player the Jazz were down on until he started returning to form a couple weeks ago. Okur is much more tradable than Kirilenko, with asalary of $8.5M this season and next and $9M in 2009-10.
Wally Szczerbiak, SuperSonics
He makes $12 million this season and $13 million next season, and he can still shoot it. If the Sonics could get him off their cap along with Earl Watson (twomore years at $6.2M and $6.6M) in one fell swoop, they'd likely do it if they could get back expiring contracts and some kind of sweetener. Jason Williams,Dorell Wright and Ricky Davis for Wally and Watson is said to be in the works, by the way. And Miami could sweeten it with one or all of the three second-roundpicks it has in the upcoming draft (its own, Philadelphia's and Indiana's).
Samuel Dalembert, 76ers
All the speculation surrounding Philadelphia's next trade has centered around Andre Miller -- though we hear that Gordan Giricek will actually be the nextplayer the Sixers move. But if Philadelphia is going to make a hard run at Elton Brand on the free-agent market this coming summer (assuming he opts out of hiscontract), the Sixers will need to clear Dalembert's $10.25 salary for next season off their books. Dalembert, though, also has a 7.5 percent trade kicker,which makes him very tough to move.
Theo Ratliff, Timberwolves
He makes the list not because of his talent, but because of his salary, $11.6 million, which comes off the books after this season.
Also, we expect him to take a buyout in late February and then sign with a team needing extra size -- perhaps Boston or Phoenix -- for the postseason.
Ben Wallace, Bulls
We could put anybody from the Bulls on this list, but Big Ben is the only one of them making beaucoup bucks. Also, his salary drops from $15.5M this year to$14.5M and then $14M over the next two seasons.
Again, just a thought: But wouldn't Wallace for Zach Randolph make sense for two teams that are more or less due to make another deal with each other?
Chris Sheridan covers the NBA for ESPN Insider. To e-mail Chris, click here.
