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Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Jamal Crawford on his best day couldn't hold VC's jock....what is this argument based off of, Crawford being on fire for the past 5-6 games? Look at the body of work between VC and Crawford. Jamal Crawford has the talent to be one of the better combo guards in the NBA, but he has been inconsistent. You can say that Vince lacks heart or toughness, but fact of the matter is, he gets buckets. He has been doing it (sans when he quit on T.dot) since day 1 in the NBA.
For all yalls saying he cant develop also, hes almost there already and since when is 26 years old the end of your prime?
Since when is Jamal 26? He's about to turn 28 in 2 months... Jamal is 28 and has been in the league 8 or 9 years. There's not much, ifany, growth and improvement to be made... Yall are SERIOUSLY trippin right now. This is the same guy yall wanted shipped outta New York ASAP last season.
Originally Posted by Woodside718
crawford > vc right now, when you see carter on the floor you can tell he has no heart by his demeanor. dude is playing with jkidd and yet look at their record. we nyers know this because we can watch YES and MSG. also as mentioned crawford has been playing the point guard role very well and being the highest scorer on the team, when jkidd was injured VC needed to run point and i think his job was to just get the ball up past half court. crawford is actually trying to become a leader and is becoming a lot better at that role.
crawford > vc right now, when you see carter on the floor you can tell he has no heart by his demeanor. dude is playing with jkidd and yet look at their record. we nyers know this because we can watch YES and MSG.
No.
You can tell he has no heart? Based on what? Examples? I don't see how people always bring this up into a discussion. What examples can you actuallyprovide from this season to back up that response? Or are you saying it just because you hear/see everyone saying that about Carter?
You NY'ers know?
You can't base anything off watching a couple games.
Also, "look at the Nets record" ? Thats all Vince's fault?
Since when is Jamal 26? He's about to turn 28 in 2 months... Jamal is 28 and has been in the league 8 or 9 years. There's not much, if any, growth and improvement to be made... Yall are SERIOUSLY trippin right now. This is the same guy yall wanted shipped outta New York ASAP last season.Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk
For all yalls saying he cant develop also, hes almost there already and since when is 26 years old the end of your prime?
VC relies on a crappy outside shot (not nearly as wet as Crawfords) but mal takes it inside as well and does it success with his razzle-dazzle moves and finishes and his beautiful floater.
The fact that you continue to debate that Crawford is some kind of big time jump shooter is absolutely mind-boggling. Vince is'terrible' from outside, but he's shooting better from 3 this year, and for his career as a whole, but you're right, it ain't evencomparable.Vince is on the downside of his career, and still putting up better numbers ACROSS THE BOARD than Jamal is in his prime.But if we can get a top 3 pick, and sign Artest to MLE this summer, watch out east
Watch out! The Knicks will jump from NBA laughing stock to fringe playoff contenders.
i just looked up the stats, and only ONCE in his LIFE has Jamal Crawford put up better numbers than Vince Carter. that was his freshman year at Michigan vs VCs freshman year at UNC (and VC played in a tougher conference and got less PT). YES, i went back and found their high school stats, and even THEN VC owned Crawford. Crawford averaged 22-7, VC averaged 25-11 and was a 1st team McDonalds All-American.
i'm talking PPG, RPG, APG, and FG%.... Vince has been better than Crawford in EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE GAME since he came out the womb
check NBA career stats. Crawford has NEVER come close to VCs overall numbers EVER. he hasn't even averaged 20 PPG yet.
this argument is LAUGHABLE
"VC is a bum", or "VC sucks" as if he is Kwame Brown or something, it's laughable..... As I said IMO Vince came into the league with the most talent..... but he could have been 10 times better than what he is today..
granted, his "coast off my talent" #s are still good, but IMO these bolded statements are synonymous.
Jermaine O'Neal remains a possibility for the Nets, but could cost them their own All-Star, Vince Carter. The Nets and Pacers, who discussed a multiplayer swap involving O'Neal in June, renewed talks recently, according to league sources familiar with the conversations. Bergen Record
The new proposal would send Carter, Marcus Williams and Jamaal Magloire to Indiana for O'Neal. But O'Neal has a bone bruise in his knee that will sideline him at least two weeks. Nothing is imminent, though, as O'Neal's health and $64 million salary through the 2009-10 season are real deterrents for the Nets. Bergen Record
O'Neal, 29, makes $19.7 million this season. The Nets would rather have Indiana take Collins (two years, $12.3 million) instead of Magloire (one year, $4 million) to alleviate the luxury-tax hit. But the Pacers don't want Collins. Bergen Record
Carter, Marcus Williams and Jamaal Magloire to Indiana for O'Neal.
Uhh, isn't that a bit much?
Uhh, isn't that a bit much?Originally Posted by Kiddin Like Jason
Carter, Marcus Williams and Jamaal Magloire to Indiana for O'Neal.