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RustyShackleford said:
Hamas is pieces of **** terrorist that care nothing about the Palestinian people.

Anyone with a brain would know that Bibi would respond like this after they killed hundreds of Israeli citizens. Yet they did it anyway. Seems like they are more concerned with appeasing Iran than the Palestinian people.

Hamas deserves no defending.

Using the lost of life, and suffering of innocent Palestinian as a shield to them just seems like nasty work to me.

Bibi is a genocidal racist lowlife. And Hamas is the moral equivalent

IMO, anyone that thinks Hamas deserves sympathy or defending is either delusional, dumb, or racist.
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It isn't only Hamas' military wing fighting, it is members OF ALL FACTIONS, including PFLP and other resistance factions that are fighting in a coalition.

So how do you expect Palestinians to resist their brutal violent occupation and their death concentration camp by the Israeli siege?

Some of you here would never dare let another man tell you to put a mask on, or even look at you without having a violent reaction.

Curious...do you know what is is to live under Israeli military occupation and caged like a cockroach and treated like an animal with no freedom of movement and dead to rights? Do you know how violent it is? I am talking about DAILY. For generations.

Also, they are terrorists to you, sure. If you want to think so, but many others see them as resistance fighters, and that includes many in the Global South.

It boggles my mind how some of you tell an oppressed people how to resist their violent deadly daily occupation and then have the nerve to judge from the comfort of your homes where you would never last a day living under Israel's deadly military occupation and apartheid.
 
me love nutella said:
It isn't only Hamas' military wing fighting, it is members OF ALL FACTIONS, including PFLP and other resistance factions that are fighting in a coalition.

So how do you expect Palestinians to resist their brutal violent occupation and their death concentration camp by the Israeli siege?

Some of you here would never dare let another man tell you to put a mask on, or even look at you without having a violent reaction.

Curious...do you know what is is to live under Israeli military occupation and caged like a cockroach and treated like an animal with no freedom of movement and dead to rights? Do you know how violent it is? I am talking about DAILY. For generations.

Also, they are terrorists to you, sure. If you want to think so, but many others see them as resistance fighters, and that includes many in the Global South.

It boggles my mind how some of you tell an oppressed people how to resist their violent deadly daily occupation and then have the nerve to judge from the comfort of your homes where you would never last a day living under Israel's deadly military occupation and apartheid.
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They indiscriminately killed innocent people

Their actions caused this conflict to kick off

Their stupidity, competence and vile actions help make this genocide a reality.

I can agree with every criticism of Israel and the disgusting treatment of the Palestinian people

That doesn't mean I have to defend Hamas

Most Palestinian don't murder innocents.
I would think most Palestinian want to live in piece.

Hamas wants neither.

I can understand why Palestinians living in the area, going through what they go through would be sympathetic to Hamas. But I don't have to.

All you are doing is using the plight of innocents to excuse terrorism
 
Just like in practice Bibi actively works to make Israelis unsafe

Hamas actively works to make Palestinians unsafe.

Hardliners fan the flames of war, the use the dead bodies that result from it to fan them some more.
 
RustyShackleford said:
Spare me

They indiscriminately killed innocent people

Their actions caused this conflict to kick off

Their stupidity, competence and vile actions help make this genocide a reality.

I can agree with every criticism of Israel and the disgusting treatment of the Palestinian people

That doesn't mean I have to defend Hamas

Most Palestinian don't murder innocents.
I would think most Palestinian want to live in piece.

Hamas wants neither.

All you are doing is using the light of innocents to excuse terrorism

So again, spare me.
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You're quite idealistic, no?

No one has to agree about innocent people getting killed.

Their actions didn't kick off this conflict. It's actually Israel's actions, which Hamas kept warning them to stop for months.

A violent occupation begets a violent reaction from the natives with boots on their necks.

What's your opinion about Ukrainian resistance fighters? Just curious.
 
me love nutella said:
You're quite idealistic, no?

No one has to agree about innocent people getting killed.

Their actions didn't kick off this conflict. It's actually Israel's actions, which Hamas kept warning them to stop for months.

A violent occupation begets a violent reaction from the natives with boots on their necks.

What's your opinion about Ukrainian resistance fighters? Just curious.
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Two completely different scenarios but ok, compare to Ukraine
 
RustyShackleford said:
Just like in practice Bibi actively works to make Israelis unsafe

Hamas actively works to make Palestinians unsafe.

Hardliners fan the flames of war, the use the dead bodies that result from it to fan them some more.
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I would agree with this if they were on same level playing fields. But you have one that are the powerful occupiers and then the occupied. One that has a military and most sophisticated weapons and nuclear weapons and one that doesn't. So that's why I said there's no equivalency.

Anyways, this was the same mantra used against the PLO and Yasser Arafat.

I just don't see how anyone expects Palestinian resistance to just not be violent after they actually for most part, have been fighting and resisting back non violently every single day.

Not like you'd get it. Thanks for the discussion.
 
me love nutella said:
You're quite idealistic, no?

No one has to agree about innocent people getting killed.

Their actions didn't kick off this conflict. It's actually Israel's actions, which Hamas kept warning them to stop for months.

A violent occupation begets a violent reaction from the natives with boots on their necks.

What's your opinion about Ukrainian resistance fighters? Just curious.
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Did the Ukrainian Army go into Russia and kill hundreds of innocents Russians?

If Hamas and only targeted Israeli military targets, there actions would not be viewed as a terrorist attacks

Your arguments would hold more weight

But right now you are doing this bait and switch where Hamas represents the will of all Palestinians. So all their actions can be excuse by pointing to the plight of innocents Palestinians.

And every Israeli civilian represent the Israeli government and they deserve the same punishment as the people in power.

All you are saying is that you are cool with collective punishment if your side is doing it. Otherwise it is a problem.
 
me love nutella said:
I would agree with this if they were on same level playing fields. But you have one that are the powerful occupiers and then the occupied. One that has a military and most sophisticated weapons and nuclear weapons and one that doesn't. So that's why I said there's no equivalency.

Anyways, this was the same mantra used against the PLO and Yasser Arafat.

I just don't see how anyone expects Palestinian resistance to just not be violent after they actually for most part, have been fighting and resisting back non violently every single day.

Not like you'd get it. Thanks for the discussion.
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Sounds like you want a level playing field so Hamas could be able to attack more Israeli Jews and balance the scales when it comes to innocents dying.

I understand why extremism grows. But like I said. I don't have to endorse extremism on one side as a solution to it on the other.

But Israel is not going anywhere. The world is not gonna allow the eradication of the country. It is the homeland to Israelis as well.

So the only solution is there to be a way where people can coexist.

Hamas actively works against this.

Which in turn causes more death, especially toward Palestinians.

So yeah, it really sounds like you see the path to peace for the Palestinians being paved with more dead Israelis. And to me, that sounds like a path to more endless conflict.
 
Brownstone said:
Two completely different scenarios but ok, compare to Ukraine
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RustyShackleford said:
Did the Ukrainian Army go into Russia and kill hundreds of innocents Russians?

If Hamas and only targeted Israeli military targets, there actions would not be viewed as a terrorist attacks

Your arguments would hold more weight

But right now you are doing this bait and switch where Hamas represents the will of all Palestinians. So all their actions can be excuse by pointing to the plight of innocents Palestinians.

And every Israeli civilian represent the Israeli government and they deserve the same punishment as the people in power.

All you are saying is that you are cool with collective punishment if your side is doing it. Otherwise it is a problem.
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Ya'll think Ukrainian fighters don't kill innocent civilians? Really?

October 7th was mainly a military offensive by Hamas against Israeli military targets and to capture hostages for Palestinian prisoner hostages. You know, a response of being besieged for 19 years in a death concentration camp, Israel's continuing land grabs and settlements, brutal violent occupation, killing Palestinians in the West Bank and attacking worshippers at Al Aqsa. Also the extremist zealots bringing in red cows to destroy the mosque to build the third temple. Also, it's well aware Israel used disproportionate force on its own citizens and killed them as well in order to dislodge Hamas on October 7.

Again, it's horrific innocent civilians died on October 7, but it was very much still a military offensive by Hamas et al.
 
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me love nutella said:
Ya'll think Ukrainian fighters don't kill innocent civilians? Really?
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The Ukrainian government sends fighters into Russia with the intention with the intention kill civilians?

This would be news to me.

Please post a reputable source so I can disabuse myself of my ignorance

me love nutella said:
October 7th was mainly a military offensive by Hamas against Israeli military targets and to capture hostages for Palestinian prisoner hostages. You know, a response of being besieged for 19 years in a death concentration camp, Israel's continuing land grabs and settlements, brutal violent occupation, killing Palestinians in the West Bank and attacking worshippers at Al Aqsa. Also the extremist zealots bringing in red cows to destroy the mosque to build the third temple. Also, it's well aware Israel used disproportionate force on its own citizens and killed them as well in order to dislodge Hamas on October 7.

Again, it's horrific innocent civilians died on October 7, but it was very much still a military offensive by Hamas et al.
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So the intention was to get hostages to trade.

And they just so happen to kill hundreds of innocent people in the process

People they could have used as, you know, hostages

You don't realize how silly this defense of them sounds?

Hamas' actions on October 7th was mainly a good old terrorist attack
 
ballinsam23 said:
Oh the main racist of this forum would say that. "Only the weirdo Zionists fight" and "peaceful protestors"

Gotcha.

These are the posters being handed out today btw. I’m sure yall are the angels peacefully handing them out. Real peaceful message here.

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Calling me the "main racist of this forum" is very inappropriate and should have consequences which I trust the administrators of this wonderful forum to administer.
I appreciate being able to freely share my thoughts on this platform without being called "main racist of this forum"

Thank you and sorry for giving you more work during the NBA Playoffs.
 
me love nutella said:
Being pro Palestine means supporting their fight to resist their violent military occupation.

Sure, you don't have to like Hamas, but there's many other Palestinian resistance factions. Not just them.

Anyways, just very interesting to read these viewpoints. Thanks.
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Like I said in the other thread, this crisis is a cautionary tale on how not lose a conflict. Palestinians don't have the means to win back the land they lost militarily, and every militant offensive gives an excuse to Israel to cut down more people and take over more land. Diplomatically, it's another story, but it takes much more time and trust.

Some of us are from contested lands, so we understand the frustration that comes with being on the losing side. However, there is no pride in walking down the path of complete annihilation willingly, and that's the path most of these groups you mention are on.
 
RustyShackleford said:
The Ukrainian government sends fighters into Russia with the intention with the intention kill civilians?

This would be news to me.

Please post a reputable source so I can disabuse myself of my ignorance


So the intention was to get hostages to trade.

And they just so happen to kill hundreds of innocent people in the process

People they could have used as, you know, hostages

You don't realize how silly this defense of them sounds?

Hamas' actions on October 7th was mainly a good old terrorist attack
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So, the narrative out there that was propped up by western and Israeli propaganda is their aim was to maximize civilian deaths.

But, the aim was to attack military bases and take hostages (even that is a war crime too, as well). Due to Israel lying so much, we will never know how many were also killed by IDF. I have seen many documented Israeli interviews and reports where they were given orders to target everyone, Israelis concluded, and basically conducted the Hannibal Directive. I even heard a family member of an Israeli captive recall they used this Directive.

But yes, Hamas members committed war crimes when unarmed civilians were killed, but I don't buy the narrative that they killed all those civilians without IDF killing quite a bit of them as well from the sources I gathered.

I just think Israeli's terrorism created this scenario and it was a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. Hamas' attack grew out of Israel's decades-long failed strategy of "mowing the grass" in Gaza, every few years, the brutal blockade, and also Israeli's violence in the West Bank. Israel's siege on Gaza attempted to both contain and deter Hamas in Gaza, while simultaneously not addressing any of the underlying economic and political conditions that had helped bring Hamas into power and keep it there. The root cause is the occupation and blockade. While Hamas's core supporters may not have changed, a more far-sighted Israeli policy could have at least undercut Hamas's popular support.

So, what did you expect from a strategy Palestinian armed strategists to do ? Israel's plan is to annex the Gaza Strip and never provide Palestinians sovereignty or self determination. Netanyahu and his gang were espousing this for years boldly and out loud. The 2 state solution was always a sham.

Supposedly, 70% of Hamas fighters are orphaned men, and so Israel just created more Hamas for generations to come.
 
gry60 said:
Like I said in the other thread, this crisis is a cautionary tale on how not lose a conflict. Palestinians don't have the means to win back the land they lost militarily, and every militant offensive gives an excuse to Israel to cut down more people and take over more land. Diplomatically, it's another story, but it takes much more time and trust.

Some of us are from contested lands, so we understand the frustration that comes with being on the losing side. However, there is no pride in walking down the path of complete annihilation willingly, and that's the path most of these groups you mention are on.
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I think what some with your viewpoint don't understand is that the West and Israel never wanted and never will give Palestinians their full sovereignty or self determination even as they accepted a 2 state solution. That was even intended from prior to Israel's establishment as a state.

Israel's goal and Zionists was always territorial expansion and to take it all.

Look at what happened when PLO bought into the peace agreements, what changed? Proposals to accept a quasi-state and now the PA are basically Israeli collaborators.

So Israeli violence, colonization and occupation will quell violence resistance movements as is the story of colonized people resisting their violent occupiers and colonizers.
 
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RustyShackleford RustyShackleford ,

I forgot to respond to your question about Ukrainian resistance fighters. Cmon now, we're talking about neo-Nazi Azov battalion. They target civilians.

You can easily look up documented human rights reports and war crimes of armed forces and security forces of Ukraine that span from a decade ago. In 2022, they detonated explosives of a building in Mariupol, leaving up to 200 dead, including women and children.

But the neo Nazi Azov are praised as resistance fighters by the West and not terrorists.
 
osh kosh bosh said:
america is a wild place

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rexanglorum said:
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This is probably not how neo-Confederates envisioned the second Civil War going. It's like an early 00's Xzibit meme.

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I would like to publicly request an investigation into forum Member ballinsam23 ballinsam23 for behaviour not in compliance with the Niketalk code of conduct

Calling me the "main racist of this forum" is very inappropriate and should have consequences which I trust the administrators of this wonderful forum to administer.
I appreciate being able to freely share my thoughts on this platform without being called "main racist of this forum"

Thank you and sorry for giving you more work during the NBA Playoffs.
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