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This is why dudes who can’t ball like ballinsam23 believe Israel is a victim

Why yall coming for ballinsam23 like this

ballinsam23 said:

Oh the main racist of this forum would say that. "Only the weirdo Zionists fight" and "peaceful protestors"

Gotcha.

These are the posters being handed out today btw. I’m sure yall are the angels peacefully handing them out. Real peaceful message here.

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WASHED KING said:

Why yall coming for ballinsam23 like this

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because ballinsam23 thinks that to support a peaceful protest of the genocide in gaza one must be the biggest racist on an online forum

me love nutella said:

Before we proceed, what's wrong with explaining the factors that led to that Oct. 7?

Also, I can be against innocents being killed, and said that's horrific. I said Hamas committed war crimes when targeted unarmed civilians. I am not cool with taking children as hostages although the aim was to exchange for Palestinian children detained as hostage prisoners

I did say that it was an armed offensive as well, though, as Israeli military bases were ran through and targeted.

I also said I do think Israel exaggerated on what took place that day for propaganda and to manufacture consent for genocide, from what I gathered from Israeli SOURCES.

I am for any Palestinian resistance, whether violent or not. Hamas is not the only resistance. There is quite a few. Israel has an army, navy, air force, nuclear weapons etc. Palestinians don't have any official army. So how are they supposed to defend themselves to Israeli military and violence and the occupation?

Attacking U.S. directly, no. You can just attack their economy with boycotts and divest. Attacking U.S. military on our lands? Sure.

So you're just expecting Palestinians not to resist violently to their violent military occupation and oppression?

Why is Oct. 7 your starting point? Why are you centering Oct. 7?

So do you justify the violent Israeli occupation, apartheid, ethnic cleansing, military occupation and genocide against Palestinians? So October 7 just happened out of nowhere ?

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There’s nothing wrong with explaining the factors that led to October 7th. But there is something wrong with using those factors to justify October 7th.

I appreciate you being able to recognize that Hamas committed war crimes, if you want to call them that rather than terrorist attacks.

I don’t justify or condone the Israeli occupation and horror towards Palestinians at all. I’m wholly against the settlements and severe restrictions on Palestinian autonomy. But I don’t think that killing hundreds of innocent civilians - both Israelis and foreigners - is the answer. And it was foolish of Hamas when they should/know it would result in horrific casualties to the Palestinian people.

For the record, the U.S. has a military base in Israel. So if you’re going to say the October 7th attack was on “our lands” then I guess you’d support Hamas attacking that base. What do you think the result of such an action would be?

Why is October 7th the starting point? gry60 gave you the answer. Hamas attacked hundreds of innocent civilians, women, children, festival-goers, etc. So I understand you want to call it a military action, but it was also a massive terrorist attack that has now resulted in thousands of Palestinian casualties.

gry60 said:

The problem with your story is:
- the border outposts were not actually manned. Most of them had monitoring systems outfitted on weapons that were remotely controlled.
- Hamas fighters didn't just capture active military; they also captured civilians, children, and foreigners
- they didn't avoid the music festival; they attacked it too.

You're omitting a lot about what happened that day in order to paint Hamas' actions as legitimate. If the goal was to capture as many IDF soldiers as possible, why attack where they were not?

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/more-than-half-hamas-hostages-have-foreign-nationality-israel-2023-10-25/

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Like you, I am against innocent people being killed. I still want to know what feasible solution you’d support that wouldn’t result in the death of hundreds of thousands of innocents, be they Palestinian or Israeli. I want the apartheid to end but I recognize that Hamas is not helping that to occur, and thus am confused as to why you defend such an organization committing terrorist attacks that are detrimental to Palestinian people.