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Day after the VP debate? If it's more email steez, they midas whale keep it, nobody cares.
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Supposedly Julian Assange was suppose to make a grand announcement from his balcony on Tuesday. He cancelled it for security concerns 
Now Wednesday **** is suppose to hit the fan.
Now Wednesday **** is suppose to hit the fan.
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Roger Stone is the world's biggest piece of ****. Anyone who listens to him is a complete idiot and I hope all the bad things in life happen to Stone and only Stone.
btw the trump hypocrisy is amazing: https://thinkprogress.org/7-tweets-...-are-very-awkward-now-75b500ea4f45#.d53x2beqx
these are the tweets from Trump:
The biggest hypocrite the world has ever seen. **** trump
btw the trump hypocrisy is amazing: https://thinkprogress.org/7-tweets-...-are-very-awkward-now-75b500ea4f45#.d53x2beqx
these are the tweets from Trump:
The biggest hypocrite the world has ever seen. **** trump
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They gotta prove she's in the KKK or something for me to not vote for her at this point.
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there's more damaging stuff revealed about Trump every single day than there has about Hillary in the past year.
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I guess this belongs here?
LeBron James: Why I'm endorsing Hillary Clinton
http://www.businessinsider.com/lebron-james-why-endorsing-hillary-clinton-for-president-2016-9
LeBron James: Why I'm endorsing Hillary Clinton
http://www.businessinsider.com/lebron-james-why-endorsing-hillary-clinton-for-president-2016-9
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well i guess Ohio is locked up now.
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^^^ Not until she gets the Henny Smith endorsement. The pipe vote is important
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Every single day this farce of a candidate reveals this isn't anything more than the biggest ego trip one can ever go on, with the sole purpose of saving his own ***.
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supposedly it was delayed from today because of security concerns...
:xhttp://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f236/americas-rust-belt-139882/
this is alot of towns in da USA cuz of NAFTA & outsourcing...TPP can not be da law of da land.
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email servergate was da gift that kept on giving.
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These dudes trying to reveal something damaging about Trillary are really bad at it.
Assange looking like a major clown.
I don't get why they think warning ppl before they do it is smart anyway.
Assange looking like a major clown.
I don't get why they think warning ppl before they do it is smart anyway.
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it's like Trump's big announcement about Obama's birth certificate. a complete joke.
these clown acts wouldn't fly at a 5-year-old's birthday party. complete amateurs who take the American public for fools.
any credibility or upper ground assange had is gone.
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supposedly it was delayed from today because of security concerns...
http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f236/americas-rust-belt-139882/
this is alot of towns in da USA cuz of NAFTA & outsourcing...TPP can not be da law of da land.
if you think the loss of manufacturing was caused by NAFTA and TPP you are just miss informed.
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yup. trump supporters giddy with their one toy at Christmas, been playing with their wooden blocks for 365 days. meanwhile Democrats lost with all their toys. every day they get something new from papa trump. we haven't even taken the Xbox out of the box. we're racing our go-karts while shooting each other with paintball guns.
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Trade deals always create winners and losers. There are definitely auto workers that were negatively effected by NAFTA.
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US manufacturing output has doubled in the past 30 years.
The problem is humans don't work in those factories.
Automation is way bigger problem than NAFTA.
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-Automation eliminating jobs, and trade deal eliminating jobs are not mutually exclusive.
-And the two don't cost the economy jobs in the same way.
-Just looking at output doesn't tell the full story
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Look man if you want to point in the direction of a study that finds that NAFTA had a significant impact on manufacturing jobs go ahead. but the stuff I've looked throguh (and I'm pretty sure the prevailing opinion of most economist)
is the effect of Americans was not significant.
overview of NAFTA economic impact studies.
I'm an amateur at this stuff, so I deffer to experts, but someones gotta show me the receipts on this "trade deals killed manufacturing" theory of the economy.
Liberals overrate manufacturing jobs because they were heavily unionized and Republicans Conservatives manufacturing because their base is white working class.
We need to figure out what the new economy is instead trying to resurrect the old one.
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Look man if you want to point in the direction of a study that finds that NAFTA had a significant impact on manufacturing jobs go ahead. but the stuff I've looked throguh (and I'm pretty sure the prevailing opinion of most economist)
is the effect of Americans was not significant.
overview of NAFTA economic impact studies.
I'm an amateur at this stuff, so I deffer to experts, but someones gotta show me the receipts on this "trade deals killed manufacturing" theory of the economy.
Liberals overrate manufacturing jobs because they were heavily unionized and Republicans Conservatives manufacturing because their base is white working class.
We need to figure out what the new economy is instead trying to resurrect the old one.
Smh.
-You're entire argument seems to based on thinking that the only trade dealor agreements the United States has is NAFTA, or assuming the only trade agreements I talk about is NAFTA. And you're building a strawman if you're gonna put Ninja's word, and the words of other Trump supporters words, in my mouth.
-Duyba said trade deals and cited a real example from NAFTA, go look at the moves GM are making.
Anyway, NAFTA got sign right around the time we normalized trade agreements with China. China, not Mexico has costed us the most jobs. LINK . Plus It is hard to detangled the affects of trade, technology, plus and when economist talk about job loss or again, they speak of in on aggregate. Which further obfuscates things for the real person.
I'm not going to sit here and deny there have been many positives from free trade agreements, economically (especially for poor countires) and foreign policy wise. (And may we remember NAFTA is just as much a foreign policy deal that an economic one)
So I am not against free trade in theory. That would be a ridiculous position to take anyway
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This part I didn't want to type because I didn't feel it was necessary, and I don't want to act like I'm some expert. International trade is a hard concept for many highly trained economist to get their head around. But on a basic level:
- I made a very innocent comment was just that if you lower trade barriers, you might make it relatively less expensive to manufacturer oversea with cheaper labor and ship to the US, than it would have been with a tariff in place. That's it. That's how jobs are lost. Now there are other effects going on. That might lead to cheaper goods, people consumer more, that leads to more demand, which creates more jobs and you get a net positive jobs increase. But that doesn't mean people didn't lose their job somewhere along the way.
So not only might your job get shipped overseas, factories that would have opened never open in America, they do somewhere in Asia or Mexico or wherever.
-Technology cost the economy jobs by making manufacturing less labor intensive, you see the results more in the long run. At one time a factory would open and hire 120 people to meet the 120 new workers entering the labor force willing to work in a factory. The thing is that those same 120 people are showing up, but a new factory opening is only hiring 50 people and using a ton of robots. The labor force is getting more productive, we produce more ****, but less workers are hired in that industry.
Yes your economy because more efficient in both cases. But it is also unfair to deny that it became that way partly due to some people losing their job and for many reason, the economy or society or the government didn't help them recover from that. And even if workers find new jobs, workers have moved from the heavily unionized manufacturing sector, to the services and retail sector. That can result in more income inequality.
There are effects going in every which direction, but it is also short sighted to fall into the trap of just reading top line numbers and thinking "Welp, this isn't that bad, Everything seems to even out on paper"
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-Economist like to talk about things in a very cold way. The problem is that free trade wiped out out jobs, the economy didn't adjust, so now we have a mess that needs to be addressed and people want to discuss how it happen. Like I said, the many benefited, the few paid the price. It is no longer a cold economics debate because neoliberal economic policy failed the wrong people, it is a political debate.
Some of the stuff that has been going on is not all our trade deals, they were trending that way before then, but it is a fair question to ask still if those trade deals made the situation better or worst for the America worker. Not just the economy as a whole, but the American worker.
And like Rex said, our trade deals should not be viewed by themselves, but as a pattern of behavior and misguided economic thinking that has affected large groups of people.
Sticking your head in the sand about trade deals is just as unproductive as people ignorantly crying about NAFTA, China and the TPP. Trump's, Bernie's, and Ninja's hyperbole aside, we need a healthy honest discussion about trade agreements. Not some "Everything is find, why are people talking about his, "insert complaint about American liberals"" steez
And you complain about Bernie, Bernie actual discussed a solution to help displaced workers. So please if you're gonna shade him on in one area, commend him for doing exactly what you're asking people to do. Thinking of solutions
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I thought those manufacturing jobs went away in the 1980s ?
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We have been bleeding manufacturing jobs since the late 1970s.
And I don't believe that all the jobs will come flooding back and save our economy. That is just not gonna happen, for many reasons.
But our trade deals, both old and new need to discussed as how does this benefit the America worker.
