***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[whywesteppin]

the polls were off and I'm interested to see who can make sense of it all. it does look like Hillary is winning the popular vote though. didn't notice that until now. that says a lot. a ******* lot. changes the narrative this a little.

anyway we'll see what happens with the media. there will be a disproportionate overreaction against any attacks on the media, so i think trump will find it in his interest to not be so thin skinned. otherwise it's gonna be a long 4 years.

edit: rolaholic -- yup, she had a lot of factors working against her between the sexism, the lingering racist agenda against Obama, the emails, etc. it was a death by a thousand cuts and left enough room for someone as unlimited as trump to have a chance.

 

[wballz]

 
Bernie got a nice mansion for endorsing Hillary. I call that selling out.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...cation-home-and-the-internet-cries-hypocrisy/

Shut up. I'm young guy and my townhouse is worth that much. At his age, he better be able to afford multiple homes. 

 

[rico x hood]

My eyes are open, and white privilege is real. You seem to be suggesting that by sticking your head in the sand, standing by and doing nothing, that somehow that is the best decision to make. You had two candidates, one being a racist, the other simply a dirty politician, these are the only two picks that you have to choose from, with one being more of a threat to white male privilege than the other, and you think it is wrong to vote for the candidate that works in your best interest? But it is okay when white men do it, right? I bet you do not even understand how dangerous your position is.

This is how I know you just came in here late. Everyone knows who I voted for. But what I understood was that this country was sick of the status quo. Obama failed us. That's what this all boils down to. People were pissed and apathetic. Especially the coalition Obama built. They were shortchanged. This election wasn't about policy it was about getting actual change and also about apathy. People before Obama believed politicians didn't really care. He made them believe. And let them down.

 

[macbk]

While I think both Trump and Hillary are disasters, the fact that she couldn't pull it off against him says all I need to know about her.

 

[teamjordan79]

the polls were off and I'm interested to see who can make sense of it all. it does look like Hillary is winning the popular vote though. didn't notice that until now. that says a lot. a ******* lot. changes the narrative this a little.

anyway we'll see what happens with the media. there will be a disproportionate overreaction against any attacks on the media, so i think trump will find it in his interest to not be so thin skinned. otherwise it's gonna be a long 4 years.

well this election proved one of two things...

That either 1) the media are clueless and don't know what their talking about

or 2) they tried to tilt the table for hrc and it backfired.

The MSM might not be the same again.

 

[AZwildcats]

The Dems should've rode their anti-establishment wave until the wheels fell off when it started gaining momentum early,this was the "brick through the window" sort of election where the same old tactics werent gonna work with this electorate.

The brunt of the blame though belongs to the folks who at the end of the day,actually did vote for the least qualified candidate EVER which is a pretty sizable number...

To me the brunt of the blame goes to the nearly 100 million eligible voters who simply chose not to participate. You reap what you sow. The Republicans and white people were always gonna a vote for Trump, it was up to the people that voted Obama in to rise again, and they chose not to vote at all.

I still don't get it.

People have the right to not vote.

You assuming all those votes would of went to Hilary.

The brunt of the blame goed to Hilary and that weak *** campaign.

You got to help me out here man, I don't understand what you're not getting. Yes, people have the right not to vote. But by not voting, those same people have no right to complain about Trump or the Republican congressmen getting elected. There are roughly 100 million people that didn't vote, and I'm not saying all of them would have voted for Hilary. But it would take just a fraction of them to turn the election upside down, the less people that vote always benefits the Republicans.

As for Hilary's weak campaign, I'm in agreement with you there. She was unable to persuade a lot of the Obama voters (several million less people voted this year than 2012) to show up to the polls. At the same time, I would assume Trumps candidacy would be enough to get them out there. I was definitely wrong about that, I put too much faith in my fellow people

 

[cashbanks]

White men really hate people that don't look like them surprise!!!!

 

[rolaholic]

"Vote against him" was never gonna be as resonating/strong of an endorsement with people as "vote for her" would have been and most folks simply put,did NOT want to vote or believe in her...

 

[seandon23]

This is how I know you just came in here. Everyone knows who I voted for. But what I understood was that this country was sick of the status quo. Obama failed us. That's what this all boils down to. People were pissed and apathetic. Especially the coalition Obama built. They were shortchanged. This election wasn't about policy it was about getting actual change and also about apathy. People before Obama believed politicians didn't really care. He made them believe. And let them down.

Republicans FAILED us when Obama was in office don't get it mixed up. We've had the worst congress of all time while he was president. I wish we would've been able to have a more moderate house or a democratic majority these past few years so we could actually have some change happen in this country

 

[whywesteppin]

the polls were off and I'm interested to see who can make sense of it all. it does look like Hillary is winning the popular vote though. didn't notice that until now. that says a lot. a ******* lot. changes the narrative this a little.

anyway we'll see what happens with the media. there will be a disproportionate overreaction against any attacks on the media, so i think trump will find it in his interest to not be so thin skinned. otherwise it's gonna be a long 4 years.

well this election proved one of two things...

That either 1) the media are clueless and don't know what their talking about

or 2) they tried to tilt the table for hrc and it backfired.

The MSM might not be the same again.

are you still referring to polls or to something else?

538 and the polls in general were fairly objective.

the overall media coverage against trump was not limited to them but included many Republicans and conservatives across media, government, and elsewhere. i don't see it as partisan.

the only real aspect is that everyone misread the situation. in an attempt to be objective, they relied too heavily on the polls and discounted the heavy tails (referring to probability here) involved. most models are based on assumptions based on past outcomes. since trump was so unconventional, these models probably had difficulty predicting his impact.

anyway it's not like he won in a landslide and actually he may have lost the popular vote, so it's not like everyone was completely wrong.

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

There will be a painting of Trump hanging in the same space as paintings of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and FDR.

 

[teamjordan79]

the polls were off and I'm interested to see who can make sense of it all. it does look like Hillary is winning the popular vote though. didn't notice that until now. that says a lot. a ******* lot. changes the narrative this a little.

anyway we'll see what happens with the media. there will be a disproportionate overreaction against any attacks on the media, so i think trump will find it in his interest to not be so thin skinned. otherwise it's gonna be a long 4 years.

well this election proved one of two things...

That either 1) the media are clueless and don't know what their talking about

or 2) they tried to tilt the table for hrc and it backfired.

The MSM might not be the same again.

are you still referring to polls or to something else?

538 and the polls in general were fairly objective.

the overall media coverage against trump was not limited to them but included many Republicans and conservatives across media, government, and elsewhere. i don't see it as partisan.

the only real aspect is that everyone misread the situation. in an attempt to be objective, they replied too heavily on the polls and discounted the heavy tails (referring to probability here) involved. most models are based on assumptions based on past outcomes. since trump was so unconventional, these models probably had difficulty predicting his impact.

anyway it's not like he won in a landslide and he may have lost the popular vote, so it's not like everyone was completely wrong.

im referring to the general coverage by MSM. The headlines/polls/pundits were all alluding that Clinton got this in the bag.

But seriously, this is the continuation of the Brexit phenomenon imo. People aren't as influenced by MSM as they were in the past and many are simply voting against the status quo. They refuse to be mislead by Big Money and get their info from the internet. This is why the leaks were so important.

 

[daddy style]

This is how I know you just came in here late. Everyone knows who I voted for. But what I understood was that this country was sick of the status quo. Obama failed us. That's what this all boils down to. People were pissed and apathetic. Especially the coalition Obama built. They were shortchanged. This election wasn't about policy it was about getting actual change and also about apathy. People before Obama believed politicians didn't really care. He made them believe. And let them down.

The President had the whole right wing working against him, and that is why he did not get all that he wanted done. White people told you that he failed, they told you from fox news, and you believed it. They never wanted a black man to be President of the United States, and they did not see him coming. They do not want to encourage another black man either. So Hillary runs, and if she won, that would have been twelve years of not having awhite male in charge of america. Trump sounds the alarm, says what he wants about everybody except white males, then motivates "the american people," to come home make america great again. So, since you seem to know the deal, what time is Trump going to take america back to, in order to make america great again? I mean, they made Jesus into their own image, so they should be able to do it, right?!

 

[macbk]

Obama campaigned to close Guantanamo Bay in 08, ultimately never got it done. Circumstances call against action. I wouldn't stress "the wall" until you see materials gathered.

Still surreal he pulled the upset.

 

[seandon23]

There will be a painting of Trump hanging in the same space as paintings of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and FDR.

Makes me sick to my stomach to see how low this country can go sometimes, man

 

[gry60]

My eyes are open, and white privilege is real. You seem to be suggesting that by sticking your head in the sand, standing by and doing nothing, that somehow that is the best decision to make. You had two candidates, one being a racist, the other simply a dirty politician, these are the only two picks that you have to choose from, with one being more of a threat to white male privilege than the other, and you think it is wrong to vote for the candidate that works in your best interest? But it is okay when white men do it, right? I bet you do not even understand how dangerous your position is.

This is how I know you just came in here. Everyone knows who I voted for. But what I understood was that this country was sick of the status quo. Obama failed us. That's what this all boils down to. People were pissed and apathetic. Especially the coalition Obama built. They were shortchanged. This election wasn't about policy it was about getting actual change and also about apathy. People before Obama believed politicians didn't really care. He made them believe. And let them down.

I disagree with your narrative. You can't ignore the part the Reps played in the fact that the last 8 years could've been better. Congresspeople refused to worked with the WH because their base was going to punish them if they did (see Christie during Sandy). Why did the republican base spend most of its time demonizing Obama and everyone who would associate with him instead of helping him push forward programs that they would ultimately benefit from such as healthcare reform and infrastructure spending (or any other job program that they are now asking Trump to accomplish)?

Why?

 

[pain]

White people told you that he failed, they told you from fox news, and you believed it. They never wanted a black man to be President of the United States, and they did not see him coming.

Kaaaaay. I see we have more "evil white people" rhetoric.

I'm a white man who voted for Obama. Twice. Does that mean I didn't want him to be POTUS?

I guess by your logic I should have voted FOR Trump and not against him. Then maybe he wouldn't have won.

Your logic is illogical.

 

[teamjordan79]

Celebs who said they’d leave country if Trump won

Cher tweeted this summer that if Trump gets elected, “I’m moving to Jupiter.”

Miley Cyrus wrote in an emotional Instagram post in March that tears were running down her cheek and she was unbelievably scared and sad. “I am moving if he is president,” the young pop star said. “I don’t say things I don’t mean!”

Barbara Streisand, a vocal Clinton supporter, told “60 Minutes” that “I’m either coming to your country if you’ll let me in, or Canada.”

Stay true to your word!

Comedian Amy Schumer said in September that Spain would be her destination of choice.

Adios!

John Oliver and John Stewart can kick rocks too.

 

[ninjahood]

No surprise that the poorest and less educated states voted trump majority...the correlation.

this is that condescending bs that gave Trump the W

they still don't get it...

 

[seandon23]

this is that condescending bs that gave Trump the W

He's not wrong tho

 

[rolaholic]

Yea it wasn't all poor states that bear responsibility,Democratic strongolds and traditional gains such as NH,Penn,Michigan and Ohio all went to Trump

 

[rico x hood]

Republicans FAILED us when Obama was in office don't get it mixed up. We've had the worst congress of all time while he was president. I wish we would've been able to have a more moderate house or a democratic majority these past few years so we could actually have some change happen in this country

That blame Republicans shtick is old. He was a bad leader. He's not the first Democrat president to have an adversarial Congress. Look at Lincoln and Lyndon. He was a great campaigner but poor leader. He lacked the skill and will(which he admits) to do the day to day schmoozing that comes with the Presidency. That's why he failed. And if you'd like some books that detail this I will recommend some. Start with the Audacity of Hope and then The Audacity to Win. If you need more ask. Because I've read and own a bunch. It's the books that give you a true insight into a President's mindset. **** interviews, articles, and op-eds.

 

[wubalubadubdub]

I give credit to ninja and rico. They always thought he could win. I thought he had a 30 percent chance up until he pissed off white women with the ***** tape coming out.

However, it never EVER crossed my mind it would be a red senate. That is some only 2016 left field ****

Human molotov cocktail... to change the system. It really does feel like brexit. With more tangible results like supreme court and likely death of obamacare

 

[kingkoopa]

Obama campaigned to close Guantanamo Bay in 08, ultimately never got it done. Circumstances call against action. I wouldn't stress "the wall" until you see materials gathered.

Still surreal he pulled the upset.

I'm sayin.

People so stuck on the wall like we don't already have fences

I could care less about a wall.

His plans on targeting Muslims and foreign affairs are our biggest issue.

But then again, it's a long process to enact policies like that.

 

[rolaholic]

Here I thought white women vould come to Hill's rescue...

Obviously Trump didn't piss them off nearly enough seeing as they voted for him overwhelmingly with over 55% of the vote