***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[EddieDoyers]

I want to clarify don't even know what Rusty and Ninja arguing about at this point.

he doesn't wanna own up to da fact that playing da race card in da midwest & lecturing people in da suffering rust belt about white privilege is extremely insulting and wont win em over in your camp.

can u concur so he can shut up? jesus..

"my sure there's enough brothers in Green Bay, Brothers love da Packers"

-Chris Rock @ SNL last night.

Umm, I have never ignored the economic despair among poor whites. I have expressed frustration over them indulging in racism when their economic futures are tied to poor minorities more than rich white elites.

I get upset about the racism they indulge in, because if it was strictly about economics, Trump supporters could have supported Bernie.

People don't want to pay more taxes to a government they don't trust
Just saying from what I have understood from Trump supporters

 

[ninjahood]

they didn't want BIG GOVERNMENT welfare...they wanted government to get out da way.

 

[Belgium]

 
Columbia is going to hold on to his liberal ways all the way until the new members of his community, use his countries laws, to set up their own.

Then his country is finished.   All the freedoms and " fairness" he loves will be reversed.

All because he believed the tv and the 50 year old clueless hippy profs who taught him his way of life could be protected by saying please and expecting the best from people. Look up some belgian crime stats now compared to years past, to hear exactly why no American should take his advice or shaming.

All these people saying ninja is spitting in his ancestors face are wrong....its people like columbia doing it to theirs.

They built a great country and he and people that think like him refuse to protect it due to a white guilt that isnt even theirs.

Yall keep saying he gets it too

Actually my voting record is a bit all over the place. 

We have a multi-party system, offering a choice of many varieties on the political spectrum. I have voted for a more centrist party in the previous election and before that I voted for our main conservative party. That was before a wave of bigotry took over that party.

Locally I voted for a liberal mayor. 

I've yet to vote for the same party twice. I make my decisions based on their policies, not where they place themselves on the spectrum.

If the party leadership engages in explicit bigotry or racism, then they've lost my vote until they fix it. Which is why our main conservative party won't be getting my vote anymore after their leader blamed people of color for bringing racism on themselves.

If you actually know me you'd know that I'm quite critical of my country's political failures. I've described the language barrier poisoning our whole political process before. And while I do think our justice system has some major positives (less racial bias than US and soft punishments for non-violent drug offenses for example), it has some very major negatives as well. The language barrier also plays a role here, often leading to procedural errors. In numerous occasions, that has resulted in criminals with terrorism charges getting time off or released due to simple procedural errors. There is great distrust here for our criminal justice system, for good reason. The laws are there, but far too often they are not enforced properly in cases of severe crimes (terrorism, rape, ...) and people feel that there's not enough punishment for crimes of that nature.

Crime has gone up, mostly due to failed political leadership.

You're acting like I'd deny the flaws in my country because I identify as a liberal on the US political spectrum 

When you look at notorious areas like Molenbeek, all sides need to do their part to work towards preventing radicalization and crime.

And no that doesn't mean just laissez-faire and hope for the best. The muslims must do their part to combat radicalization, but so do us white people.

Generalizing muslims as a whole and ostracizing them isn't helping anyone. The way I see them being treated sometimes would probably make at risk youth more prone to radicalization. We must work together with the muslim community and involve them in the process. I don't think shutting them out with regulations like closing all mosques is the answer to progress, quite the opposite if anything.

I have nothing to feel "white guilt" about. 

I happen to be white and don't support racism. Why would I feel guilt for something racist white people do when that has nothing to do with me? We share the same skin color, that's about it.

 

[MVP]

You didn't answer the first question, race played NO factor? And yes all of the incidents from both sides may be idiotic in nature, the intent and motivations surrounding them are much divergent. When you have teachers telling kids their parents are going to be deported, or Muslim women being terrorized, nooses being hung immediately in the aftermath of Drumpf's election, that's just a coincidence after all the rhetoric during his campaign flaming those tensions.

 

[gry60]

If you're going to accuse someone of rationalization, the least you could do is acknowledging that you're doing the same when you defend white nationalism as a reaction to Arab "invaders," even though the majority of them has lived there for multiple generations.

Yeah, that's why you voted for someone who wants to take us back to a time when America "was great" (the 50s? the 60s? the 70s) instead of someone who offered concrete solutions to the problems that this nation will face in the coming decades? You voted for someone who lied to you so many times in a single day that the news outlets couldn't stick to a single scandal? Someone who found a way to defraud the people who worked with his campaign on the campaign trail? Where are the tax returns? Noooo you didn't to see any of that, you just wanted someone who catered to your insecurities, real and imagined. You voted for someone who will make the US the lapdog of Russia and help them turn your Europe into his personal playground.


But the "liberals" are living in a bubble.


C'mon son!!

I saw ALL OF THAT....and it was still a way better option than ww3, more crime, a worse economy, more lies and less protection.
Get it thru your head that people would rather feel secure and let da bronze gawd say offensive things than feel terrified and be blamed for it forever.
You guys can not stop confusing racism with people wanting security

So you saw the lies, but you voted for the liar even though you were tired of lies? [emoji]128514[/emoji][emoji]128514[/emoji][emoji]128514[/emoji]

You're barking at the wrong tree.

Who is blocking law proposals to extend pensions for retired coal miners? (Mitch McConnell)

Who has let for-profit colleges run rampant until they fleeced unsuspecting people (usually low income)? Free market Republicans.

Crime rates are historically down in the US, but who is pushing the opposite narrative? Right wing media outlets.

 

[RustyShackleford]

they didn't want BIG GOVERNMENT welfare...they wanted government to get out da way.

So why are they asking for tariffs and a job programs if they want BIG GOVERNMENT, to get out the way?

 

[ninjahood]

You didn't answer the first question, race played NO factor?

it played da opposite factor, ya treated white folks like minorities, so they voted in a bloc like one.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

they didn't want BIG GOVERNMENT welfare...they wanted government to get out da way.

see now you take it too far, don't buy into the mainstream media hype,



this aint got **** to do with government, if Trump miraculously gets some giant infrastructure spending bill past the republicans then his whole support base will love him for it. Big goverment vs small government is something cable TV talk show hosts argue about.

 

[rolaholic]

The same infrastructure bill they kept Obama from trying to pass all these years and will praise Trump for

 

[00david00]

Obama overreached and triggered a bomb, as a result he was da worst down ticket president in American History.

You don't think Trump "triggered a bomb" with the left just based on the fact that he was elected?

He did, but dems don't have the seats to challenge, and likely won't have them in '18 either. It'll be a long wait.

After reconciliation, the Dems have enough votes to filibuster any policy move if they act as intractable as the GOP did under Obama.

They probably won't act in such a way though.

They should use it when necessary and I hope the GOP doesn't go "nuclear" because it's one less check/balance and nobody stays majority forever.

But, I think Congressional GOP v Trump infighting will be more significant for what policy we get. Dems are almost irrelevant (for now) unless they basically go full on obstructionist.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I love how Osh thinks Ninja is just trolling

 

[ninjahood]

they didn't want BIG GOVERNMENT welfare...they wanted government to get out da way.

So why are they asking for tariffs and a job programs if they want BIG GOVERNMENT, to get out the way?

thats not BIG GOVERNMENT (entitlements) u think u can fool folks with ur misdirection? no wonder u couldn't tell Trump was on his way to win.

 

[noskey]

Conservatives love big government and try to ignore that fact. It's amusing.

 

[rolaholic]

Conservatives love big government and try to ignore that fact. It's amusing.

100%

They just hate it when it's not their guy in charge

 

[ninjahood]

Conservatives love big government and try to ignore that fact. It's amusing.

ur conflating Republicans and conservatives.

 

[Armada]

today I learned it only counts as big government if its an "entitlement" 

 

[RustyShackleford]

they didn't want BIG GOVERNMENT welfare...they wanted government to get out da way.

So why are they asking for tariffs and a job programs if they want BIG GOVERNMENT, to get out the way?

thats not BIG GOVERNMENT (entitlements) u think u can fool folks with ur misdirection? no wonder u couldn't tell Trump was on his way to win.

So what these people want is the social safety net to be cut. Please cut my Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, Disability and SNAP so I have fly free.

Brah, most people want government intervention and spending, they just disagree want to spend the money on, and what to regulate.

The GOP spend as much or more than Dems. The only difference is Dems usually spend the money of smarter things.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Kentuckians some how find a way to hate BIG GOVERNMENT and love Obamacare at the same damn time.

 

[MVP]

it played da opposite factor, ya treated white folks like minorities, so they voted in a bloc like one.

So it was a factor then? I already know white people felt they were disenfranchised, take their country back, make America great again...yada,yada,yada. But you're acknowledging it was a factor finally. We got that out of the way.

 

[ninjahood]

da Murican' electorate is very pleased

 

[RustyShackleford]

Kentuckians some how find a way to hate BIG GOVERNMENT and love Obamacare at the same damn time.

Brah I gotta find and send a link to a local news story of when Kentucky elected a dude that was promising to roll back the Medicaid expansion.

These people were legit saying "The healthcare law has been great for me, I would be dead/bankrupt without it..................but I am a small government Republican conservative, and against gay marriage/illegal immigration so I voted Matt Bevin"

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Brah I gotta find and send a link to a local news story of when Kentucky elected a dude that was promising to roll back the Medicaid expansion.

These people were legit saying "The healthcare law has been great for me, I would be dead/bankrupt without it..................but I am a small government Republican conservative, and against gay marriage/illegal immigration so I voted Matt Bevin"

It's even worse.

Kentuckians don't even understand that the Kynecct healthcare exchange and Obamacare ARE THE SAME DAMN THING.


In fact I think Matt Bevin or whoever just made some cosmetic changes to make it look like he did something. If there were more states like Kentucky, Obamacare would be much tougher to repeal politically.


also: the scourge of illegal immigrants...flooding into...kentucky.

 

[EddieDoyers]

Kentuckians some how find a way to hate BIG GOVERNMENT and love Obamacare at the same damn time.

Brah I gotta find and send a link to a local news story of when Kentucky elected a dude that was promising to roll back the Medicaid expansion.

These people were legit saying "The healthcare law has been great for me, I would be dead/bankrupt without it..................but I am a small government Republican conservative, and against gay marriage/illegal immigration so I voted Matt Bevin"

It actually makes sense
People would rather shorten their life span than see their "principles" disappear
Because hey, let the next generation deal with the real problems of a society heading into post-scarcity

 

[osh kosh bosh]

It actually makes sense
People would rather shorten their life span than see their "principles" disappear
Because hey, let the next generation deal with the real problems of a society heading into post-scarcity

you are giving humans too much credit.

very few people were making that conscious trade off.

 

[Armada]

Sources: Trump to pick Reince Priebus as White House chief of staff 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/13/polit...hite-house-chief-of-staff/index.html?adkey=bn