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Actually my voting record is a bit all over the place. 
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We have a multi-party system, offering a choice of many varieties on the political spectrum. I have voted for a more centrist party in the previous election and before that I voted for our main conservative party. That was before a wave of bigotry took over that party.

Locally I voted for a liberal mayor. 

I've yet to vote for the same party twice. I make my decisions based on their policies, not where they place themselves on the spectrum.

If the party leadership engages in explicit bigotry or racism, then they've lost my vote until they fix it. Which is why our main conservative party won't be getting my vote anymore after their leader blamed people of color for bringing racism on themselves.

If you actually know me you'd know that I'm quite critical of my country's political failures. I've described the language barrier poisoning our whole political process before. And while I do think our justice system has some major positives (less racial bias than US and soft punishments for non-violent drug offenses for example), it has some very major negatives as well. The language barrier also plays a role here, often leading to procedural errors. In numerous occasions, that has resulted in criminals with terrorism charges getting time off or released due to simple procedural errors. There is great distrust here for our criminal justice system, for good reason. The laws are there, but far too often they are not enforced properly in cases of severe crimes (terrorism, rape, ...) and people feel that there's not enough punishment for crimes of that nature.

Crime has gone up, mostly due to failed political leadership.

You're acting like I'd deny the flaws in my country because I identify as a liberal on the US political spectrum 
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When you look at notorious areas like Molenbeek, all sides need to do their part to work towards preventing radicalization and crime.

And no that doesn't mean just laissez-faire and hope for the best. The muslims must do their part to combat radicalization, but so do us white people.

Generalizing muslims as a whole and ostracizing them isn't helping anyone. The way I see them being treated sometimes would probably make at risk youth more prone to radicalization. We must work together with the muslim community and involve them in the process. I don't think shutting them out with regulations like closing all mosques is the answer to progress, quite the opposite if anything.

I have nothing to feel "white guilt" about. 
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I happen to be white and don't support racism. Why would I feel guilt for something racist white people do when that has nothing to do with me? We share the same skin color, that's about it.
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 these lengthy , self aggrandizing lectures about needing to be more understanding of concepts we grasp easily through daily experience,  won it for da bronze gawd donny t.  The political failure was a laissez- faire , its all good attitude to immigration in your country, leading to, as the Don would say, " a total disaster".
 
 
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 these lengthy , self aggrandizing lectures about needing to be more understanding of concepts we grasp easily through daily experience,  won it for da bronze gawd donny t.  The political failure was a laissez- faire , its all good attitude to immigration in your country, leading to, as the Don would say, " a total disaster".
Obviously not everyone grasps simple concepts, Ninja has relentlessly proven that. Countless statistics, scientific studies, court rulings, ... yet Ninja sticks to his belief that systemic racism is no more than some fantasy the left constructed to keep black voters in their pocket. 

There's obviously some lack of empathy going on around here, otherwise regular people like Rico wouldn't argue against clear statistics and facts. Unlike Ninja he's well capable of understanding and talking about these issues. I think we'd find more common ground if he placed himself in others' position more and looked at issues from different perspectives. We've found some common ground before this way so why not continue? The post wasn't even directed at you or Ninja but you still had to feel some type of way about it.

Am I forcing any of you to do anything? No, so why get so offended? Perhaps because it confronts you with something you don't want to hear. Or maybe it's just the thought of those words coming from a foreigner.

Whenever I'm wrong, I'd hope that someone points it out to me. And they have, on many occasions. That's an essential learning experience.

But I suppose it's much easier to just ignore valid discussion and just use the "mind your own business foreigner" cop-out.

As for the laissez-faire part, I agree that that attitude has played a role in Belgium's current situation. You still seem to be under this illusion that I have to agree with everything my government does because I live here. 
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You can criticize my country all you want, I won't be engaging in blindly defending my government's actions. If it's valid criticism I'll happily agree with you. There's many things in this country that are obvious flaws anyone can point out, whether they live here or not. So I have no issue discussing my country with foreigners.  
 
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:lol: these lengthy , self aggrandizing lectures about needing to be more understanding of concepts we grasp easily through daily experience, won it for da bronze gawd donny t

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According to my daily experience, the earth is flat, fixed, and the sun rotates around it.
 
If Trump is successful and gets 8 years in, bring jobs, helps minorities get employment, fixes inner-city not named NYC it would render liberals to da ash heap for a generations upon generations plus.

You're obviously just trolling at this point.
 
If Trump is successful and gets 8 years in, bring jobs, helps minorities get employment, fixes inner-city not named NYC it would render liberals to da ash heap for a generations upon generations plus.

You're obviously just trolling at this point.

no im actually not, if Trump's program ensure a better lifestyle for all Americans, he'll have a halo effect and poach demographics into da big tent party like he did to da blue collar folks.
 
These racist Trump supporters are so f'in pitiful man. They'll write some racist **** on a sign in the middle of the night or harass women, but I've yet to hear a case of them saying it to a grown *** man's face. If they're so confident about their racism, pull up to a black or latino neighborhood and spew that foolishness.

http://time.com/4569129/racist-anti-semitic-incidents-donald-trump/
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Like this hasn't been happening for decades :lol:
I'm not surprised one bit
 
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I can't wait until Jan 20th while in the middle of getting sworn in, the glass breaks and Stone Cold comes out to open a can of whoop ***.
 
 
Obvious not everyone grasps simple concepts, Ninja has relentlessly proven that. Countless statistics, scientific studies, court rulings, ... yet Ninja sticks to his belief that systemic racism is no more than some fantasy the left constructed to keep black voters in their pocket. 

There's obviously some lack of empathy going on around here, otherwise people wouldn't argue against clear statistics and facts.

Am I forcing any of you to do anything? No, so why get so offended? Perhaps because it confronts you with something you don't want to hear. Or maybe it's just the thought of those words coming from a foreigner.

Whenever I'm wrong, I'd hope that someone points it out to me. And they have, on many occasions. That's an essential learning experience.

But I suppose it's much easier to just ignore valid discussion and just use the "mind your own business foreigner" cop-out.

As for the laissez-faire part, I agree that that attitude has played a role in Belgium's current situation. You still seem to be under this illusion that I have to agree with everything my government does because I live here. 
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Ninja grasps them better than you. He has been more correct than you at  every turn, while you've slandered and mocked him. The same left lean you have for US politics absolutely influences how you are blaming the government in your country instead of people commiting atrocious acts. It keeps you from being able to even use language strong enough to empasize the true dangers.  You want a giant , overly complex, university conference approved explanation as to why what is happening is actually some racists fault. Thats great but to me its just excuses. 

If wars displaced people that were caused by the white man, cool, i totally accept their presence and anger...what I absolutely will not do tho, is start excusing murders, robberys, beatings, sexual assaults and the rest as behavior average white people should sit back and eat.

Ive reported things as offensive before as a rules equality thing on this site but rest assured, I am never typing offended or even mildly steamed.

Im canadian,  im typing from a country that has also gone dangerously left like yours, so i wouldnt dismiss a discussion over you being foreign.

Brexit and trump winning is about people trying to plug a boat  after liberals best intentions left more holes in it than the Bismarck. 
 
no im actually not, if Trump's program ensure a better lifestyle for all Americans, he'll have a halo effect and poach demographics into da big tent party like he did to da blue collar folks.

Trump is going to put a lot of money in the Trump families pockets. That's about it.

Blue collars jobs are going away thanks to technology. It sucks but that is the reality. Trump isn't going to change that.
 
 
Ninja grasps them better than you. He has been more correct than you at  every turn, while you've slandered and mocked him. The same left lean you have for US politics absolutely influences how you are blaming the government in your country instead of people commiting atrocious acts. It keeps you from being able to even use language strong enough to empasize the true dangers.  You want a giant , overly complex, university conference approved explanation as to why what is happening is actually some racists fault. Thats great but to me its just excuses. 

If wars displaced people that were caused by the white man, cool, i totally accept their presence and anger...what I absolutely will not do tho, is start excusing murders, robberys, beatings, sexual assaults and the rest as behavior average white people should sit back and eat.

Ive reported things as offensive before as a rules equality thing on this site but rest assured, I am never typing offended or even mildly steamed.

Im canadian,  im typing from a country that has also gone dangerously left like yours, so i wouldnt dismiss a discussion over you being foreign.

Brexit and trump winning is about people trying to plug a boat  after liberals best intentions left more holes in it than the Bismarck. 
Who is excusing people committing atrocious acts? People need to be held accountable for their crimes, I said that's where our criminal justice system fails on many fronts. But I suppose you conveniently missed that part. 

Your post is full of conjecture. Since you're so sure of yourself, I'm sure you can point out to me where I said terrorism and rise in crime is all racists' fault. I'll wait. 
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I said racism plays could play a role in making the youth more prone to radicalization, so you jumped to conjecture about racism being the root cause.

If you have any more ridiculous conjecture arguments, might as well spit them all out now and be done with it. Of course radical Islamic terrorism isn't simply caused by racism, that's an utterly ridiculous argument. But we also can't ignore our ongoing problem of racism.

Is it the root cause of radicalization? Of course not but let's not act like racists harassing innocent muslims on the streets, bullying them, repeatedly telling them to go back their own country is doing radicalization prevention any good.
 
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Wow :lol:

Everyone is waiting to see who he picks between Reince and Bannon, he goes ahead and hires both.

I keep seeing folks crediting dude for Trump's success even though he only took over after Ailes bailed :lol:. If anything,for as much BS as she's peddled,Kellyanne Conway deserves most of the credit :lol:.

Ironically enough,for the party that hates diversity,she's the first female head of a winning campaign.
 
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I'm sure it will get passed, I mean no free market loving capitalist would want to stop technology from lowing the cost of production

Now would they
 
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