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...and you got countries trying to take 70% of someone's income.

Please name one of those countries.

I'm pretty sure even the high taxing countries (the Scandinavian ones and some other nice places to live) aren't that high - sure they may have a high bracket (although I don't think it's 70%) but it's only on the very top tier of incomes - and not on all of their income but only on a portion of it.

And, those countries have great standards of living and happy residents.
 
Please name one of those countries.
I'm pretty sure even the high taxing countries (the Scandinavian ones and some other nice places to live) aren't that high - sure they may have a high bracket (although I don't think it's 70%) but it's only on the very top tier of incomes - and not on all of their income but only on a portion of it.
And, those countries have great standards of living and happy residents.

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...and you got countries trying to take 70% of someone's income.

Please name one of those countries.

I'm pretty sure even the high taxing countries (the Scandinavian ones and some other nice places to live) aren't that high - sure they may have a high bracket (although I don't think it's 70%) but it's only on the very top tier of incomes - and not on all of their income but only on a portion of it.

And, those countries have great standards of living and happy residents.

Will France's 75 Percent Income Tax Scare Away The Rich?

CNBC | By Brian Sullivan Posted: 08/08/2012 3:18 pm Updated: 09/1*****12 11:13 am
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What is 75 percent of €0.00?

French president Francois Hollande wants to go back to the future on taxes.

When running for the job he eventually won, Hollande famously proposed a marginal tax rate of 75 percent on income above €1 million per year.

The usual outcry ensued. Progressives argued it was only fair while those on the right — and those who would be impacted — made noise about fleeing France. Despite cries the rich are bluffing on their threat to say ‘au revoir, Paris,’ it appears that may actually happen.

More from CNBC:
- Countries With the Highest Income Tax
- Forcing the Rich to Bail Out Europe
- Voters: Tax the Rich, But Fix the Rest First

The New York Times details how tax lawyers are becoming inundated with calls from wealthy clients inquiring if they should leave France, and if so, how to do it.

Is it all a bluff to frighten Hollande into backing off? Likely not.

Proponents of higher income tax rates on the uber wealthy use history as a guide, noting that sky-high tax rates on the rich existed decades ago and there was no mass exodus.

History, usually a solid guide, is an untested pilot in this case for two reasons:

First, the internet has changed everything.

No longer are the rich tied to a landline phone and telefax machine. High speed fiber lines, video conferencing and document sharing enable most of us to be highly mobile. The rich perhaps even more so, with the added ability to work from anywhere, including yachts and planes. Most working rich live on the road anyway, with multiple houses and domiciles. The idea of ‘home’ has changed massively.

Second, there is much greater developed world competition for capital.

Forty or fifty years ago there were far fewer lower tax regimes with decent qualities of life for the rich to flee to. Most developed, business efficient countries had similarly high tax rates. There was nowhere to hide.

Not so today. Many countries dangle low top-end tax rates to reel in human capital. Singapore and Dubai are in competition to cut rates and bring in the rich. Facebook co-founder Eduardo Saverin infamously gave up his U.S. citizenship to move to Singapore. Procter & Gamble announced its intention to move the global headquarters of its beauty and baby-care business to Singapore, and though denying taxes were a part of the decision making process, it’s interesting the company chose that low tax regime versus the higher tax rate in Hong Kong.

Of course, if Mr. Hollande has his way it could be terrific for America, which comparatively would look like a low-tax haven. New York realtors must be salivating.

Even those who consider themselves progressive and willing to do their “fair share” bristle at that ‘soixante-quinze’ tax rate. Watch actor Will Smith’s reaction to that number in this great interview on French television.

Either way, if Hollande gets his wish the world will get to watch a great global dance play out in real-time. We won’t need theories or historical guesses. The French will, or won’t, vote with their feet and shipping containers.

Bon chance, Monsieur Hollande! They have Chanel in Singapore, too.
 
what part of YOU HAVE TO CUT SPENDING dont you understand?
western europe is about to go belly up because they couldn't control da SPENDING and you got countries trying to
take 70% of someone's income.
SIDEBAR...
i see da general stepped down over a extra marital affair...*cough libya cover up*

how does 70% = 39.6% ??

Not to mention its only for those in the $250K tax bracket.

Dont get how we got all these cats protecting those making $250K+ who wont feel a damb thing if those rates are raised.

Middle class will feel a tax hike, upper class not so much
 
Please name one of those countries.
I'm pretty sure even the high taxing countries (the Scandinavian ones and some other nice places to live) aren't that high - sure they may have a high bracket (although I don't think it's 70%) but it's only on the very top tier of incomes - and not on all of their income but only on a portion of it.
And, those countries have great standards of living and happy residents.

Welcome to B.S. Mountain.

Population: Fox News, Tea-party republicans, and Ninjahood

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France Unveils Temporary 75 Percent Super-Rich Tax Rate

Reuters | Posted: 09/28/2012 6:18 am Updated: 09/28/2012 2:24 pm
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* Budget aims to slash deficit to 3.0 pct/GDP in 2013

* Bulk of savings comes from tax on rich, business

* Economists say budget based on optimistic growth forecast

By Daniel Flynn and Leigh Thomas

PARIS, Sept 28 (Reuters) - Socialist President Francois Hollande unveiled higher levies on business and a 75-percent tax for the super-rich on Friday in a 2013 budget aimed at showing France has the fiscal rigour to remain at the core of the euro zone.

The package aims to recoup 30 billion euros ($39 billion) for the public purse with a goal of narrowing the deficit to 3.0 percent of national output next year from 4.5 percent this year - France's toughest belt-tightening in 30 years.

But the budget dismayed business and pro-reform lobbyists by hiking taxes and holding France's high public spending at the same level rather than cutting it as Spain, Greece and Italy have done to chip away at their debt mountains.

With record unemployment and a barrage of data pointing to economic stagnation, there were also fears the deficit target will slip as France falls short of the modest 0.8 percent economic growth rate on which it is banking for next year.

"We do not want France to be delivered shackled to the markets as has happened to other neighbouring countries that have succumbed to the temptation of letting their budgets get out control," Finance Minister Pierre Moscovici said of France's determination to stick to its deficit goal.

Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault dismissed fears about possible slippage, insisting the 0.8 percent growth target for next year was "realistic and ambitious".

Hollande's aim is to achieve the savings without hitting the purchasing power of low-income families. But France's main employers' group said the measures would backfire by weakening the competitiveness of French industry.

"Its stated aim is to prepare the future. But the way it is put together holds it to ransom by putting investment and employment at a serious risk," Medef President Laurence Parisot said in a statement.

With public debt at a post-war record of 91 percent of the economy, the budget is vital to France's credibility not only among euro zone partners but also in markets which for now are allowing it to borrow at record-low yields around two percent.

The government said the budget was the first in a series of steps to bring its deficit down to 0.3 percent of GDP by 2017 - slightly missing an earlier target of a zero deficit by then.

France's benchmark 3.0 percent 10-year bond was steady, yielding 2.18 percent after the announcement but some analysts remained sceptical.

"The ambitions that were flagged are very audacious," said Philippe Waechter at Natixis Asset Management. "I struggle to see how we'll find the growth needed in 2013 and afterwards."

Of the total 30 billion euros of savings, around 20 billion will come from increased levies on households and companies, with tax rises already approved this year to contribute some 4 billion euros to revenues in 2013. The freeze on spending will contribute around 10 billion euros.


EXODUS FEAR

To the dismay of business leaders who fear an exodus of top talent, the government confirmed a temporary 75 percent super-tax rate for earnings over one million euros and a new 45 percent band for revenues over 150,000 euros.

Together, those two measures are predicted to bring in around half a billion euros. Higher tax rates on dividends and other investments, plus cuts to existing tax breaks are seen bringing in several billion more.

Jean-Paul Agon, chief executive of cosmetics giant L'Oreal, warned in the run-up to the budget that the new super-tax, which compares to a euro zone average top rate of 43 percent, will make it harder to attract top executives.

Bernard Arnault, France's richest man and chief executive of luxury group LVMH, created a storm this month by declaring he had applied for Belgian nationality - but stressed he would continue to pay taxes in France.

Business will face measures including a cut in the amount of loan interest which is tax-deductible and the cutting of an existing tax break on capital gains from certain share sales - moves worth around four billion and two billion euros each.


Four months after he defeated Nicolas Sarkozy, Hollande's approval ratings are in free-fall as many French feel he has been slow to get to grips with the economic slow-down and unemployment at a 10-year high and rising.

Finance Minister Pierre Moscovici defended next year's growth target on French radio. But, highlighting the bet on growth underpinning the entire budget, he added that it was achievable "if Europe steadies".

Data on Friday confirmed France posted zero growth in the second quarter, marking nine months of stagnation, as a pickup in business investment and government spending was offset by a worsening trade balance and sluggish consumer expenditure.

Despite a rise in wages, consumers - traditionally the motor of France's growth - increased their savings to 16.4 percent of income from 16.0 percent a year earlier. In another setback, other data showed consumer spending dropped 0.8 percent in August.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo you were saying? :lol:
 
WHOA.....CIA Director Petraeus just resigned due to an extra marital affair :smh: wild

[COLOR=#red]WOW!!! That is MAJOR (no pun intended, well he wasn't a Major, but you get what I'm saying).

He was the GOLDEN boy and he could have ran for Prez and had a decent shot of winning. He did everything by the book on becoming a 4 Star General. Wow man p***y kills in more ways than one.[/COLOR]
 
^ yeah, but that's not a 70% tax rate.

Even from that article you can see that - you will pay 45% on income above 150k and 75% on anything about 1,000,000.

Below those rates (which will be the majority of people) you will pay less and there is a tax free part of your income - I think it's about 15k. So, most people will only pay something like 30% on their income above 15k and below 150k.

So, quick math for someone making reasonable money - let's say 70k, that would be 30% of 55k which is 16,500 which is 23.5% of their total income.

Nowhere near 70%.

Even someone who makes 1,500,000 (who I have trouble feeling sorry for) would have a tax burden of 705,500 - so about 49%. Still nowhere near 70%.

In fact, using my quick calculation you would have to make 8,000,000 to pay an overall tax rate of 70% (and I have even more trouble feeling sorry for those people).
 
^ yeah, but that's not a 70% tax rate.

Even from that article you can see that - you will pay 45% on income above 150k and 75% on anything about 1,000,000.

Below those rates (which will be the majority of people) you will pay less and there is a tax free part of your income - I think it's about 15k. So, most people will only pay something like 30% on their income above 15k and below 150k.

So, quick math for someone making reasonable money - let's say 70k, that would be 30% of 55k which is 16,500 which is 23.5% of their total income.

Nowhere near 70%.

Even someone who makes 1,500,000 (who I have trouble feeling sorry for) would have a tax burden of 705,500 - so about 49%. Still nowhere near 70%.

In fact, using my quick calculation you would have to make 8,000,000 to pay an overall tax rate of 70% (and I have even more trouble feeling sorry for those people).

wouldn't it be just more efficient to budget properly then to implement draconian tax hikes though?
 
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* Budget aims to slash deficit to 3.0 pct/GDP in 2013
* Bulk of savings comes from tax on rich, business
* Economists say budget based on optimistic growth forecast
By Daniel Flynn and Leigh Thomas
PARIS, Sept 28 (Reuters) - Socialist President Francois Hollande unveiled higher levies on business and a 75-percent tax for the super-rich on Friday in a 2013 budget aimed at showing France has the fiscal rigour to remain at the core of the euro zone.
The package aims to recoup 30 billion euros ($39 billion) for the public purse with a goal of narrowing the deficit to 3.0 percent of national output next year from 4.5 percent this year - France's toughest belt-tightening in 30 years.
But the budget dismayed business and pro-reform lobbyists by hiking taxes and holding France's high public spending at the same level rather than cutting it as Spain, Greece and Italy have done to chip away at their debt mountains.
With record unemployment and a barrage of data pointing to economic stagnation, there were also fears the deficit target will slip as France falls short of the modest 0.8 percent economic growth rate on which it is banking for next year.
"We do not want France to be delivered shackled to the markets as has happened to other neighbouring countries that have succumbed to the temptation of letting their budgets get out control," Finance Minister Pierre Moscovici said of France's determination to stick to its deficit goal.
Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault dismissed fears about possible slippage, insisting the 0.8 percent growth target for next year was "realistic and ambitious".
Hollande's aim is to achieve the savings without hitting the purchasing power of low-income families. But France's main employers' group said the measures would backfire by weakening the competitiveness of French industry.
"Its stated aim is to prepare the future. But the way it is put together holds it to ransom by putting investment and employment at a serious risk," Medef President Laurence Parisot said in a statement.
With public debt at a post-war record of 91 percent of the economy, the budget is vital to France's credibility not only among euro zone partners but also in markets which for now are allowing it to borrow at record-low yields around two percent.
The government said the budget was the first in a series of steps to bring its deficit down to 0.3 percent of GDP by 2017 - slightly missing an earlier target of a zero deficit by then.
France's benchmark 3.0 percent 10-year bond was steady, yielding 2.18 percent after the announcement but some analysts remained sceptical.
"The ambitions that were flagged are very audacious," said Philippe Waechter at Natixis Asset Management. "I struggle to see how we'll find the growth needed in 2013 and afterwards."
Of the total 30 billion euros of savings, around 20 billion will come from increased levies on households and companies, with tax rises already approved this year to contribute some 4 billion euros to revenues in 2013. The freeze on spending will contribute around 10 billion euros.
EXODUS FEAR
To the dismay of business leaders who fear an exodus of top talent, the government confirmed a temporary 75 percent super-tax rate for earnings over one million euros and a new 45 percent band for revenues over 150,000 euros.
Together, those two measures are predicted to bring in around half a billion euros. Higher tax rates on dividends and other investments, plus cuts to existing tax breaks are seen bringing in several billion more.
Jean-Paul Agon, chief executive of cosmetics giant L'Oreal, warned in the run-up to the budget that the new super-tax, which compares to a euro zone average top rate of 43 percent, will make it harder to attract top executives.
Bernard Arnault, France's richest man and chief executive of luxury group LVMH, created a storm this month by declaring he had applied for Belgian nationality - but stressed he would continue to pay taxes in France.
Business will face measures including a cut in the amount of loan interest which is tax-deductible and the cutting of an existing tax break on capital gains from certain share sales - moves worth around four billion and two billion euros each.
Four months after he defeated Nicolas Sarkozy, Hollande's approval ratings are in free-fall as many French feel he has been slow to get to grips with the economic slow-down and unemployment at a 10-year high and rising.
Finance Minister Pierre Moscovici defended next year's growth target on French radio. But, highlighting the bet on growth underpinning the entire budget, he added that it was achievable "if Europe steadies".
Data on Friday confirmed France posted zero growth in the second quarter, marking nine months of stagnation, as a pickup in business investment and government spending was offset by a worsening trade balance and sluggish consumer expenditure.
Despite a rise in wages, consumers - traditionally the motor of France's growth - increased their savings to 16.4 percent of income from 16.0 percent a year earlier. In another setback, other data showed consumer spending dropped 0.8 percent in August.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo you were saying? :lol:

Not Scandinavia

Not currently in place

One country

You're bad talking socialism so much, if it wasn't for socialism in America you would be homeless and begging for money.

Low skilled, low educated people get eaten live in a pure capitalistic society.
 
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Oh so opening allowing drug dealers to come to America would make the war on drugs better right?


:rofl:


Dude, you don't have a clue do you?



CIA Director Petraeus just resigned due to an extra marital affair


My ***. Patraeus is taking the fall. This whole thing was fumbled. Those Seals were caught between an operation that went wrong.
 
^ yeah, but that's not a 70% tax rate.

Even from that article you can see that - you will pay 45% on income above 150k and 75% on anything about 1,000,000.

Below those rates (which will be the majority of people) you will pay less and there is a tax free part of your income - I think it's about 15k. So, most people will only pay something like 30% on their income above 15k and below 150k.

So, quick math for someone making reasonable money - let's say 70k, that would be 30% of 55k which is 16,500 which is 23.5% of their total income.

Nowhere near 70%.

Even someone who makes 1,500,000 (who I have trouble feeling sorry for) would have a tax burden of 705,500 - so about 49%. Still nowhere near 70%.

In fact, using my quick calculation you would have to make 8,000,000 to pay an overall tax rate of 70% (and I have even more trouble feeling sorry for those people).

wouldn't it be just more efficient to budget properly then to implement draconian tax hikes though?

Absolutely, but it's a bit late for that.

Removing Medicaid and other benefits for poor people isn't going to do that though. Not fighting stupid wars on 2 continents would go a long way.
 
Turlock woman fired for Obama racial slur on Facebook

Associated Press
Posted: 11/09/2012 09:53:24 AM PST
Updated: 11/09/2012 09:53:34 AM PST

TURLOCK-- A Turlock woman has been fired and reported to the Secret Service for her President Barack Obama racial slur and assassination comment on Facebook.

The Modesto Bee (http://bit.ly/TPtRc5) says 22-year-old Denise Helms of Turlock posted the inflammatory comments on the social media site shortly after the president's re-election on Tuesday.

She used the n-word in referring to Obama and wrote that maybe he will be assassinated this term.

Helms then told a Sacramento TV station that she wouldn't mind a bit if someone assassinated Obama.

Helms was fired Thursday from her job at the Cold Stone Creamy store.

Store director Chris Kegle says the comments are disgusting.

Secret Service Agent Scott Gillingham in Sacramento says the incident is being investigated.

Threats against the president can lead to felony charges.

http://www.mercurynews.com/newsvideo?freewheel=90757&sitesection=mercurynews&VID=23882997
 
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^ yeah, but that's not a 70% tax rate.

Even from that article you can see that - you will pay 45% on income above 150k and 75% on anything about 1,000,000.

Below those rates (which will be the majority of people) you will pay less and there is a tax free part of your income - I think it's about 15k. So, most people will only pay something like 30% on their income above 15k and below 150k.

So, quick math for someone making reasonable money - let's say 70k, that would be 30% of 55k which is 16,500 which is 23.5% of their total income.

Nowhere near 70%.

Even someone who makes 1,500,000 (who I have trouble feeling sorry for) would have a tax burden of 705,500 - so about 49%. Still nowhere near 70%.

In fact, using my quick calculation you would have to make 8,000,000 to pay an overall tax rate of 70% (and I have even more trouble feeling sorry for those people).

wouldn't it be just more efficient to budget properly then to implement draconian tax hikes though?

Absolutely, but it's a bit late for that.

Removing Medicaid and other benefits for poor people isn't going to do that though. Not fighting stupid wars on 2 continents would go a long way.

i dont want em to take a meat cleaver to those programs, but im sure then can find ways to save money..AT LEAST from getting rid of fraud among other

things.

this is why im a fan of da fiscal cliff, if they dont get their act together then everyone is gonna feel da pain equally.
 
Turlock woman fired for Obama racial slur on Facebook
Associated Press
Posted: 11/09/2012 09:53:24 AM PST
Updated: 11/09/2012 09:53:34 AM PST
TURLOCK-- A Turlock woman has been fired and reported to the Secret Service for her President Barack Obama racial slur and assassination comment on Facebook.
The Modesto Bee (http://bit.ly/TPtRc5) says 22-year-old Denise Helms of Turlock posted the inflammatory comments on the social media site shortly after the president's re-election on Tuesday.
She used the n-word in referring to Obama and wrote that maybe he will be assassinated this term.
Helms then told a Sacramento TV station that she wouldn't mind a bit if someone assassinated Obama.
Helms was fired Thursday from her job at the Cold Stone Creamy store.
Store director Chris Kegle says the comments are disgusting.
Secret Service Agent Scott Gillingham in Sacramento says the incident is being investigated.
Threats against the president can lead to felony charges.
http://www.mercurynews.com/newsvideo?freewheel=90757&sitesection=mercurynews&VID=23882997

the racist remark is the least offensive of the nonsense she wrote.
 
[COLOR=#red]I promise to never do research or read any explanation of what a fiscal cliff is...it's the new buzzword people who think they know what's going on uses.[/COLOR]
 
Absolutely, but it's a bit late for that.

Removing Medicaid and other benefits for poor people isn't going to do that though. Not fighting stupid wars on 2 continents would go a long way.

i dont want em to take a meat cleaver to those programs, but im sure then can find ways to save money..AT LEAST from getting rid of fraud among other

things.


this is why im a fan of da fiscal cliff, if they dont get their act together then everyone is gonna feel da pain equally
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Shut up. All you do is spew bs conservative rhetoric then try and rerock it like it's a different product. Fraud is virtually nonexistent aside from medicare and it's primarily the practitioners doing it. Do yourself a favor and stop spitting that tired fox news bs over and over.
 
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Absolutely, but it's a bit late for that.

Removing Medicaid and other benefits for poor people isn't going to do that though. Not fighting stupid wars on 2 continents would go a long way.

i dont want em to take a meat cleaver to those programs, but im sure then can find ways to save money..AT LEAST from getting rid of fraud among other

things.


this is why im a fan of da fiscal cliff, if they dont get their act together then everyone is gonna feel da pain equally
.

Shut up. All you do is spew bs conservative rhetoric then try and rerock it like it's a different product. Fraud is virtually nonexistent aside from medicare and it's primarily the practitioners doing it. Do yourself a favor and stop spitting that tired fox news bs over and over.[/quote]

LOL medicaid and medicare are one of da most progams PLAGUED with corrupt payments...get your head out your *** :lol:

my cuzzo's wife is a pharmacist, every other WEEK they busting someone for corruption in da med field in regarding medicare and medicaid
 
Shut up. All you do is spew bs conservative rhetoric then try and rerock it like it's a different product. Fraud is virtually nonexistent aside from medicare and it's primarily the practitioners doing it. Do yourself a favor and stop spitting that tired fox news bs over and over.

Reading skills :smh: Same ole bs over and over, zero credibility.
 
[COLOR=#red]I promise to never do research or read any explanation of what a fiscal cliff is...it's the new buzzword people who think they know what's going on uses.[/COLOR]

pretty much. I wonder what the stats are for Fox News using the words Fiscal Cliff and Benghazi
 
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Dude, you don't have a clue do you?
My ***. Patraeus is taking the fall. This whole thing was fumbled. Those Seals were caught between an operation that went wrong.
Clearly you don't. Your radical idea wont fly here in America
 
Shut up. All you do is spew bs conservative rhetoric then try and rerock it like it's a different product. Fraud is virtually nonexistent aside from medicare and it's primarily the practitioners doing it. Do yourself a favor and stop spitting that tired fox news bs over and over.
Reading skills
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Same ole bs over and over, zero credibility.
Since when is Eric Holder a Conservative?

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2012/October/12-ag-1205.html

"Today’s enforcement actions reveal an alarming and unacceptable trend of individuals attempting to exploit federal health care programs to steal billions in taxpayer dollars for personal gain,” said Attorney General Holder.   “Such activities not only siphon precious taxpayer resources, drive up health care costs, and jeopardize the strength of the Medicare program – they also disproportionately victimize the most vulnerable members of society, including elderly, disabled and impoverished Americans."
 
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