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are scholarships and grants free handouts that should be taken away?
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are scholarships and grants free handouts that should be taken away?
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Legally you can't default on any loan. But it still happens, and many college students default on their loans. Imagine one that can't pay back a 300k loan. What happens now?
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Go to a private lender and see if they're willing to give you a loan that doesn't accrue interest for four years while you're in school (that doesn't otherwise backload the interest).
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We are having this discussion because you didn't understand what I was saying.
Even after I said grants in my very next response. You ignored it
Now you think Essential is pointing out a "mistake" I made, so you're trying to act like all this wasn't just a overreaction from you
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Well you are wrong. Because in the very two next lines I use examples of other people benefiting from one social program, arguing against other one.
Why not just ask me," Are you trying to compare student loans to welfare, and if so how?"
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Funny thing is i actually admire your ambition. As an electrical engineer myself i commend hard working majors. But at the same time, my major only cost me 50k in federal loans.
I think we both agree that federal loans are vital and a necessity to all college students. However, there has to be a limit. if you're telling me your major cost you 300k, of which was covered by the federal govt than i take issue with that. I means loans do come at a cost to taxpayers too man. For the time being tax payers are giving us that money. And tax payers will never ever see any of that money back. You can understand how it can kinda be viewed as a handout to tax payers.
I think we both agree that federal loans are vital and a necessity to all college students. However, there has to be a limit. if you're telling me your major cost you 300k, of which was covered by the federal govt than i take issue with that. I means loans do come at a cost to taxpayers too man. For the time being tax payers are giving us that money. And tax payers will never ever see any of that money back. You can understand how it can kinda be viewed as a handout to tax payers.
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Read my other posts and you will get an answer to your question.
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My undergrad was paid for by myself.
It is the medical school training that is so expensive and it has continued to rise to astronomical levels even after I have graduated. The federal govt provided the loans through stafford sub and unsub and grad plus loans with a small portion coming from private loans.
The govt is loaning that money but in the end is making a hefty return on that loan. The govt is in the end benefiting from loaning those outrageous sums to people like me.
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No you can default on loans the diff is most loans you are able to file into bankruptcy. Student loans you are unable too.
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Homeboy is just offended because he has it set in his head that I was comparing him to someone collecting welfare 
Which I didn't, not even close
Which I didn't, not even close
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I understand that you say you want a strong military and like I said I know military spending needs to be cut some but I have very little trust that it will be done responsibly. The reason our allies can spend so little on defense is because they will rely on us to help them in case of conflict and that is a foolish train of thought the our Military doesn’t have. You can’t forget, a big reason we outspend these other countries is because we have a much larger military. We are the third most populous country in the world. Say we give everyone on a population of 310 million people and watch how their costs balloon up closer to ours.
If you really believe the figures that other countries such as China and Russia put out are accurate than you are very naive. Especially with countries such as China were the cost of labor is so much cheaper than here in the US.
You also must think about the fact that the American people want the best equipment for us especially personal protection equipment. The armor we wear, the absolute best. It can take multiple .30-06 armor piercing rounds and keep me alive. Do you think that stuff is cheap?
You must know that we could cut discretionary spending to zero and only spend on what’s mandatory and still run a deficit right? We spent just north of a trillion dollars on the two wars in 11 years. We spend that more than that on entitlements every two years.
Also please explain on how having fewer nuclear weapons makes us more secure and how it makes dealing with other countries easier? I’m also still curious about the aircraft we haven’t used since the 80’s that we’re still building.
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I completely understand, however you have to understand that the money being lent to me and you is being provided by tax payers. When we pay it back it's not the tax payers who get the money back. I'm not saying it's a handout, but when tax payers are giving you 300k and they don't see it back...
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It does come from the taxpayers but the money paid back all goes into the same govt pot to provide for the taxpayers so they do see it back. even if indirectly as they indirectly loaned the money but the govt is getting back more than was loaned so the tax payers are benefiting being that the return on their investment is put towards roads, military, welfare etc etc.
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Lol **** morris is an idiot
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Remember this is all just friendly discussion. we all have our views and they may differ but thats ok.
OFF TOPIC BUT BACK ON THE MAIN THREAD TOPIC
Elections for me are many times very hard because i am fiscally conservative on many things but for the most part very liberal on social issues.
OFF TOPIC BUT BACK ON THE MAIN THREAD TOPIC
Elections for me are many times very hard because i am fiscally conservative on many things but for the most part very liberal on social issues.
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Which would me him unlike Ninjahood in many ways
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You're like Ninjahood, except very educated
LOL I also have this problem of playing devils advocate.
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Nah chill. ninjahood comes in and the ignorance level of the thread escalates. I get headaches debating him.You're like ninjahood, except very educated
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Oh man... I missed this debate... I would have added some points to UTVOL's argument :\, and I agree about the direction of the thread. I want to defend ninjahood sometimes, but I just back away because everyone gets so heated at what he says.Nah chill. ninjahood comes in and the ignorance level of the thread escalates. I get headaches debating him.You're like ninjahood, except very educated
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Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) isn't qualified to answer a question about how old the earth is, he told GQ in a recent interview.
"I'm not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that's a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States," Rubio told GQ's Michael Hainey. "I don't think I'm qualified to answer a question like that. At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all."
Rubio continued, refusing to take a stance on the planet's age, which scientists have long estimated at 4.54 billion years.
"Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that," he said. "It's one of the great mysteries."
Republicans have often been forced into an awkward balancing act when answering this question, having to take into account a large number of supporters who may take literally the biblical account that the earth's age is in the thousands of years.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) famously danced around the question last year, claiming that he didn't "have any idea" about the earth's age.
"I know it's pretty old," he said. "So it goes back a long, long way. I'm not sure anybody actually knows completely and absolutely how old the earth is."
But Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) provided a more concrete answer on the question during an event earlier this year, happily stating his belief that the earth was only 9,000 years old.
This is coming from the Supposed new leader of th GOP. If he doesn't even have the guts to say the earth is older than 6000 years old, will anything really change?
GOP is already moving away from that junk they talked about learning anything from the election. The "fiscal cliff" talks don't sound like they are going well, they are stating that there is no mandate for Obama whatsoever, and basically parading around darker skinned men with the same views
I also find it embarrassing that the meeting about the "fiscal cliff" took an HOUR. That's it. A ******g hour. Then they could smile for photo ops. Both sides should be locked in a room for a week and be forced to figure it out
"I'm not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that's a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States," Rubio told GQ's Michael Hainey. "I don't think I'm qualified to answer a question like that. At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all."
Rubio continued, refusing to take a stance on the planet's age, which scientists have long estimated at 4.54 billion years.
"Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that," he said. "It's one of the great mysteries."
Republicans have often been forced into an awkward balancing act when answering this question, having to take into account a large number of supporters who may take literally the biblical account that the earth's age is in the thousands of years.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) famously danced around the question last year, claiming that he didn't "have any idea" about the earth's age.
"I know it's pretty old," he said. "So it goes back a long, long way. I'm not sure anybody actually knows completely and absolutely how old the earth is."
But Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) provided a more concrete answer on the question during an event earlier this year, happily stating his belief that the earth was only 9,000 years old.
This is coming from the Supposed new leader of th GOP. If he doesn't even have the guts to say the earth is older than 6000 years old, will anything really change?
GOP is already moving away from that junk they talked about learning anything from the election. The "fiscal cliff" talks don't sound like they are going well, they are stating that there is no mandate for Obama whatsoever, and basically parading around darker skinned men with the same views
I also find it embarrassing that the meeting about the "fiscal cliff" took an HOUR. That's it. A ******g hour. Then they could smile for photo ops. Both sides should be locked in a room for a week and be forced to figure it out
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Meh, ill see ya jan 1st when we sky diving off da fiscal cliff.
Hope ya ready
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I sure hope you realize your not immune from the cliff either way.Meh, ill see ya jan 1st when we sky diving off da fiscal cliff.
Hope ya ready
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Dudes excited about the prospect that the economy is gonna take a dive?
Hope those liquid assets do you right ninja...
Hope those liquid assets do you right ninja...
