***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[ksteezy]

Enh....my wife has never had an issue b/c of her degree. Her experience seems to stand out more, I guess. Guess she's one of the better basic nurses that can hang with the big dog BSN folk.

Chances are her experience speaks for her and chances are she don't parade around saying she just has an associates to her peers...lol

There are CNAs who's experience would put a brand new BSN to shame...experience counts ALOT

 

[Black Lotus]

Watch that gif again brah. He went in for the kiss and Tiff hit him with the hard head fake. That's why he don't **** with her, she ain't letting her grandpa-aged father near the goods.

she dont give a **** about him now cuz he was a **** to her while she was growing up.

 

[jape]

 
No I'm talking about PAs, my girl is applying this year. It requires a 4 year bachelors + a masters which can be up to 2 years. A lot of BS-RN go through 4 years of nursing school then apply to PA school.

PAs can run clinics by themselves or they can even operate under the supervision of a doctor. The doctor usually just starts it or may even only do the time out depending on the procedure. 

ok yeah i completely misunderstood i have been in and out of this conversation all day.

thats completely right. 

i work with PA's and physicians all day.  

PA is a great profession. 

being a PA in an ortho clinic > 

 

[whywesteppin]

nt turning into sdn lite.

 

[everysingletime]

RNs that come out of school as an RN with an associate degree or with a BSN degree start out on the same footing. They have the same nursing skills. If they get hired for the same job you won't notice any difference in the work. The difference is strictly political ej. Not as likely to get hired, not as likely to get promoted, less pay, etc.

Clinically they might be on the same level, just as inexperienced practicing real world medicine, but on a book smart and how much they've studied...4 years of school >> 2 years man..

Nurses don't practice medicine though. Nurses are health care professionals. Not medical professionals. There's a difference. Associate and BSN nurses take a lot of the same classes. OB Peds Med Surg Psych, etc. So clinical skills wise the difference is zilch, out of school. But BSN nurses take analytical and professionalism classes that are not present in associate programs. Hence why BSN nurses are far more likely to get promoted into office positions.

 

[ksteezy]

Yo I'm still waiting for Ninja to admit he wrong...

 

[brendasdeadbaby]

Yo I'm still waiting for Ninja to admit he wrong...

For which argument?

 

[MVP]

Yo I'm still waiting for Ninja to admit he wrong...

Never going to happen man. He couldn't even admit to being wrong about a unit if time.

 

[ksteezy]

Nurses don't practice medicine though. Nurses are health care professionals. Not medical professionals. There's a difference. Associate and BSN nurses take a lot of the same classes. OB Med Surg Psych, etc. So clinical skills wise the difference is zilch, out of school. But BSN nurses take analytical and professionalism classes that are not present in associate programs. Hence why BSN nurses are far more likely to get promoted.

Chill fam, as a medical first responder in a hospital setting for the past 11 years I'm gonna have to disagree, nurses don't practice medicine in the sense that they don't diagnose or put in orders, but they practice mexicos in the sense that they carry out the Physicians orders and treat patients...they are the front line of defense in a hospital and carry the weight, you saying a nurse doesn't practice medicine is like saying lawyer doesn't practice law...of course there is a hyerchy in the ranks, doctors being at the very top, but who you think is next in line? The nurse, did you not go through clinical as part of your curriculum? Do you think that was for fun? Or to get your feet wet on how working in a hospital is and to get you used to real Life scenarios where a life is in YOUR hands?

 

[ksteezy]

Bruh, no....just....no. So what are nurses practicing? If a nurse calls me with a low blood pressure or O2 sat, isn't that practicing medicine. If a nurse notices a wound looks infected isn't that practicing medicine. Nurse are literally the front line of medicine. 

Yeah man, I'm not sure where he getting at with that....as a resident, who you think are your teachers in practicing medicine besides your attending?...NURSES...therapists...

 

[everysingletime]

I think we are arguing semantics at this point. In nursing school we are taught that we are health care professionals, not medical professionals. When I hear health care professional, I think of nurses. When I hear medical professional, I think of doctors and PAs.

 

[jape]

nurses administer medicine too

 

[jape]

 
PA is an amazing profession.....less school than a doctor + you technically don't hold most of the responsibility. If something goes wrong a doctor has to answer for it. 

 I still don't know how PAs specialize though cause there are some like you said that go into ortho, gen surg, ob. My girl still hasn't answered that q. She wants to do OB. 

And they make a lot of money, sometimes rivaling primary care physicians.

yeah and PA's usually don't have a stick up their *** from all that schooling lmao

 

[Based Jesus]

If a tree falls in the forest and smokey the bear isnt around to hear it is the forest fire a nurse?

 

[ksteezy]

I think we are arguing semantics at this point. In nursing school we are thought that we are health care professionals, not medical professionals. When I hear health care professional, I think of nurses. When I hear medical professional, I think of doctors and PAs.

Yeah I think that's the disconnect, to me they are one in the same, doctors, nurses, radiology, therapists we are all health care professionals.

 

[ksteezy]

True story when I worked in a teaching hospital I would get mad at the residents of they made vent changes without talking to me first

 

[Nawzlew]

you guys think roguepotusstaff is real?

 

[everysingletime]

I think we are arguing semantics at this point. In nursing school we are thought that we are health care professionals, not medical professionals. When I hear health care professional, I think of nurses. When I hear medical professional, I think of doctors and PAs.

Yeah I think that's the disconnect, to me they are one in the same, doctors, nurses, radiology, therapists we are all health care professionals.

I've been out of school for 5-6 years now so a lot of details are blurry to me. I can't tell you why they want us to differentiate between medical and health care professionals. Only that they planted that in our heads. I'd have to ask another nurse about this.

 

[EddieDoyers]

 

[AEA18]

 

[ksteezy]

I love how ninjahood disappears anytime he gets schooled. 


#thinskin

He wants NO PARTS

 

[ksteezy]

What's the one thing that can bring NTers of all walks of life in agreement? NINJAHOOD

 

[stuntman mike]

dude got you guys chasing your tails debating the particulars of nursing
pages

 

[everysingletime]

Ninja got doctors, nurses and physical therapists fighting each other lmao

 

[everysingletime]

It's interesting that when I googled just 5 minutes ago they put therapists nurses and doctors under the health care umbrella

But when I was in school I remember it clear as day that they wanted to create a distinction between health care and medical professionals

Ehh it's whatever, to me it's not that serious. I was just parroting something that was pounded in my head in school. I'm not sure what the reasoning was behind that theme, but if I had to hazard a guess it comes down to creating a medical diagnosis. Nurses can' do that. If a doctor diagnoses that a patient has a pneumothorax, our diagnosis would be ineffectve breathing pattern, ineffectual gas exchange, etc. If a doctor diagnoses a patient has schizophrenia then our diagnosis might be impaired thought process or risk for assaultive behavior, etc.