***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[crcballer55]

 

 

Somebody give cliffs on Hilarys platform that makes you want to vote for her?

She'll be the first woman president. If you don't vote for her, you're a misogynist and Bill will be the first First Man. Wouldn't that be like, so cool?!

Hillary isn't the only woman running for President though.

Fiorina lost her mojo after Planned Parenthood unleashed the dogs on her for killing babies. NEVER mess with their main income source.

 

[Nike Jordan]

How are Republicans going to beat Hillary when they can't even handle the Trumpster?

 

[blco02]

Hillary isn't the only woman running for President though.

Carly doesn't play the sexist card, Hillary does.

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

 

Somebody give cliffs on Hilarys platform that makes you want to vote for her?

She'll be the first woman president. If you don't vote for her, you're a misogynist and Bill will be the first First Man. Wouldn't that be like, so cool?!

Hillary isn't the only woman running for President though.

Fiorina lost her mojo after Planned Parenthood unleashed the dogs on her for killing babies. NEVER mess with their main income source.

I thought you were only a fiscal conservative.

 

[Nike Jordan]

Hillary isn't the only woman running for President though.

Carly doesn't play the sexist card, Hillary does.

Carly used her only trump card (LOL) too early. She should've saved it for the fourth debate.

 

[dathbgboy]

Carly was never a threat because of HP. People haven't forgotten, just like Christie and the state of NJ and O'Malley and the Baltimore incident

 

[slighted]

After watching this latest GOP debate, I'm convinced I like no one on both sides.

The fact that the news are hyping up Rubio and Fiorina is

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Either way, 2020 will see the dawn of NT hansum boys running the world -- @RustyShackleford + me

 

[Chopper]

So for all the people voting for Bernie, are yall cool with him raising taxes significantly on higher incomes but also raising them on everyone?

Yes, I'm okay with him raising taxes on the wealthy, especially by way of closing all the loopholes.

As far as on everyone? Link. Edit - He's talking about a small payroll tax increase. I wouldn't mind paying a couple percent more for the greater good.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Hillary isn't the only woman running for President though.

Carly doesn't play the sexist card, Hillary does.

You forget people have Google..........................and memories

http://time.com/3845983/carly-fiorina-vice-president/

https://gma.yahoo.com/video/carly-fiorina-complains-sexist-questions-154456768.html

 

[utvol23]

Yes, I'm okay with him raising taxes on the wealthy, especially by way of closing all the loopholes.

As far as on everyone? Link. Edit - He's talking about a small payroll tax increase. I wouldn't mind paying a couple percent more for the greater good.

What do you consider wealthy? What about people who pay a LARGE portion of their income but dont benefit from all these loopholes.
The govt always seems to do a great job with the money they currently get.

 

[Chopper]

Yes, I'm okay with him raising taxes on the wealthy, especially by way of closing all the loopholes.

As far as on everyone? Link. Edit - He's talking about a small payroll tax increase. I wouldn't mind paying a couple percent more for the greater good.

What do you consider wealthy? What about people who pay a LARGE portion of their income but dont benefit from all these loopholes.
The govt always seems to do a great job with the money they currently get.

What do I consider wealthy? Tens of millions per year and up. People with a net worth over $100M. 

Doubt anyone would argue the gov't does a great job with the money they currently get (have you seen our military budget?). I'm all for private sector solutions over public (for certain industry…not including prisons). Does not negate the fact loopholes should be closed, capital gains should be taxed at the same rate as earned income, and there shouldn't be a cap on the amount of income we pay social security taxes on. 

Additionally, someone making $300k should not be in the same tax bracket as someone making $30M…

 

[crcballer55]

 

Yes, I'm okay with him raising taxes on the wealthy, especially by way of closing all the loopholes.

As far as on everyone? Link. Edit - He's talking about a small payroll tax increase. I wouldn't mind paying a couple percent more for the greater good.

What do you consider wealthy? What about people who pay a LARGE portion of their income but dont benefit from all these loopholes.
The govt always seems to do a great job with the money they currently get.

What do I consider wealthy? Tens of millions per year and up. People with a net worth over $100M. 

Doubt anyone would argue the gov't does a great job with the money they currently get (have you seen our military budget?). I'm all for private sector solutions over public (for certain industry…not including prisons). Does not negate the fact loopholes should be closed, capital gains should be taxed at the same rate as earned income, and there shouldn't be a cap on the amount of income we pay social security taxes on. 

Additionally, someone making $300k should not be in the same tax bracket as someone making $30M…

If the someone does a poor job of managing money, why should we advocate giving them more? If my wealth manager mismanaged my money, I would fire him, not give him more to invest. The same holds true for the government. We're wasting SO MUCH on the military (F-35 comes right to mind), I think both sides should agree we can cut A LOT of programs that are simply funneling money back through companies that administer them in the name of the "greater good". I think Monsanto will be just fine without farm subsidies. But both sides will scream that we're "hurting the poor" by cutting funding for food SNAP.

Before we talk about raising anyone's taxes, let's talk about cutting into the 35% annual federal deficit and upgrading technology from the 30-40 year old computers being used. Let's make the IRS more efficient and actually prosecute people in government that abuse their power instead of just asking them to resign?

 

 

 

 

Somebody give cliffs on Hilarys platform that makes you want to vote for her?

She'll be the first woman president. If you don't vote for her, you're a misogynist and Bill will be the first First Man. Wouldn't that be like, so cool?!

Hillary isn't the only woman running for President though.

Fiorina lost her mojo after Planned Parenthood unleashed the dogs on her for killing babies. NEVER mess with their main income source.

I thought you were only a fiscal conservative.

#blacklivesmatter

 

[RustyShackleford]

#blacklivesmatter

Post slick **** like this....................complains that members unfairly label him a racist


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If were speaking about cuts, and since corporate welfare and military spending has been touched

I would love to throw in capping the amount of montage interest people can write off on their taxes. In benefits the wealthy to much

And cap the child credits. If you make a ton, enough to say afford sending your kids to private school, then you don't need that few extra thousand

 

[utvol23]

What do I consider wealthy? Tens of millions per year and up. People with a net worth over $100M. 

Doubt anyone would argue the gov't does a great job with the money they currently get (have you seen our military budget?). I'm all for private sector solutions over public (for certain industry…not including prisons). Does not negate the fact loopholes should be closed, capital gains should be taxed at the same rate as earned income, and there shouldn't be a cap on the amount of income we pay social security taxes on. 

Additionally, someone making $300k should not be in the same tax bracket as someone making $30M…

I agree with your definition of wealthy.

Bernie wants to substantially raise taxes on those making over 400k. That is not wealthy by any means. I do agree with closing tax loopholes.

Why shouldnt social security be capped. Its going to wind up being means tested anyways and you wont see a dime of what you paid in during your career.



Why should they limit the mortgage tax write off. The "rich" already arent allowed to claim many other deductions ie student loan interest, health care etc because they make too much.

 

[Nike Jordan]

That's not gonna win over Black voters, my friend.

 

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

The Repubs need to realize Cruz is their only hope in this election. None of the other assclowns on that stage are electable on a national level from policies all the way down to personality.

 

[aepps20]

The Repubs need to realize Cruz is their only hope in this election. None of the other assclowns on that stage are electable on a national level from policies all the way down to personality.

Cruz or Rubio? I think Rubio is their best option.

 

[crcballer55]

 

#blacklivesmatter

Post slick **** like this....................complains that members unfairly label him a racist

 

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If were speaking about cuts, and since corporate welfare and military spending has been touched

I would love to throw in capping the amount of montage interest people can write off on their taxes. In benefits the wealthy to much

And cap the child credits. If you make a ton, enough to say afford sending your kids to private school, then you don't need that few extra thousand

Whatever you want to call me is on you. You tow the party line hard enough to pull a boat.

I'm sorry if I believe that our abortion policies unfairly target black lives (over 20 million out of 40 million total actually) .Actually... No, I'm not sorry. Just because someone is poor doesn't mean our policies should be set up to take the life of someone because they are "unwanted" regardless of race. I've had way too many friends unable to have kids who want desperately to adopt.

In California and several other states, there is a program where a mother can drop off a baby at a fire station up to 3 days after being born no questions asked. Why don't we advertise that more instead of going to the "it's not a human" debate?

So when I say #blacklivesmatter, I mean it as do all lives.

 That's not gonna win over Black voters, my friend.

I'm sorry if I came off as snarky. The abortion issue gets me a little fired up for the above reason as well as the thought of harm coming to an innocent child after having one of my own especially knowing that the fetuses are terminated by acid or a sharp object through the skull.

 

[essential1]

$400k may not be wealthy. But it certainly is rich. How do I know this. If I rounded up 100 families in a room. Maybe 2 or 3 make over $400K. That's pretty far from the median. So much so it'd take the average family 8 years to get to $400k in gross income.

 

[vagixxer]

$400k may not be wealthy. But it certainly is rich. How do I know this. If I rounded up 100 families in a room. Maybe 2 or 3 make over $400K. That's pretty far from the median. So much so it'd take the average family 8 years to get to $400k in gross income.

400k is not rich man I make between that and less than a million a year and I own my own business. People making these statements and don't even know what it's like running a small business and the tax responsibility smh.

 

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

Whatever you want to call me is on you. You tow the party line hard enough to pull a boat.

I'm sorry if I believe that our abortion policies unfairly target black lives (over 20 million out of 40 million total actually) .Actually... No, I'm not sorry. Just because someone is poor doesn't mean our policies should be set up to take the life of someone because they are "unwanted" regardless of race. I've had way too many friends unable to have kids who want desperately to adopt.

In California and several other states, there is a program where a mother can drop off a baby at a fire station up to 3 days after being born no questions asked. Why don't we advertise that more instead of going to the "it's not a human" debate?

So when I say #blacklivesmatter, I mean it as do all lives.

I'm sorry if I came off as snarky. The abortion issue gets me a little fired up for the above reason as well as the thought of harm coming to an innocent child after having one of my own especially knowing that the fetuses are terminated by acid or a sharp object through the skull.

Y'all preach this anti abortion option and say "you can give the baby up for adoption". But does anybody at any point consider how many damn kids are in foster care? There are 400k children in foster care right now, that's the size of a decent sized city. Being anti abortion is fine, but please stop perpetuating the lie that if the mother's chooses to have the child and give it up for adoption it's immediately gonna go to a warm, loving home and everything is great. We talk all the time about saving the fetus but then give zero ***** about the actual child.

And before you get uptight, I'm not picking on you. My point is I've never EVER heard a conservative speak on the ills of our foster care system in this country when talking about options outside of abortion and, if abortion were made to be illegal, how they would deal with the dramatic increase of children in foster care.

 

[essential1]

Oh spare me. Just spare me. Some people make $400k a year and don't know what it's like to live off $50k raising a family of 4.

And also you own your own small business and make $400k? You sir are an outlier. Only 3.5% of small business pay the highest rate and that's still close to $200k less than what you make. The vast overwhelming majority of small business owners do not make anywhere near what you do.

Your financial struggle is nowhere near the struggle of a family making the median income.

 

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

Cruz or Rubio? I think Rubio is their best option.

Too many hours at work lol. Yeah, I meant to say Rubio.

Cruz doesn't have a chance

 

[crcballer55]

 

Whatever you want to call me is on you. You tow the party line hard enough to pull a boat.

I'm sorry if I believe that our abortion policies unfairly target black lives (over 20 million out of 40 million total actually) .Actually... No, I'm not sorry. Just because someone is poor doesn't mean our policies should be set up to take the life of someone because they are "unwanted" regardless of race. I've had way too many friends unable to have kids who want desperately to adopt.

In California and several other states, there is a program where a mother can drop off a baby at a fire station up to 3 days after being born no questions asked. Why don't we advertise that more instead of going to the "it's not a human" debate?

So when I say #blacklivesmatter, I mean it as do all lives.

I'm sorry if I came off as snarky. The abortion issue gets me a little fired up for the above reason as well as the thought of harm coming to an innocent child after having one of my own especially knowing that the fetuses are terminated by acid or a sharp object through the skull.

Y'all preach this anti abortion option and say "you can give the baby up for adoption". But does anybody at any point consider how many damn kids are in foster care? There are 400k children in foster care right now, that's the size of a decent sized city. Being anti abortion is fine, but please stop perpetuating the lie that if the mother's chooses to have the child and give it up for adoption it's immediately gonna go to a warm, loving home and everything is great. We talk all the time about saving the fetus but then give zero ***** about the actual child.

And before you get uptight, I'm not picking on you. My point is I've never EVER heard a conservative speak on the ills of our foster care system in this country when talking about options outside of abortion and, if abortion were made to be illegal, how they would deal with the dramatic increase of children in foster care.

I'm not uptight. I just want a good intellectual conversation. To be fair though, I don't hear liberals talking about it either.

Maybe we should start thinking about our foster system more. There are A LOT of issues that SHOULD be addressed that aren't. Mental health wasn't talked about until about 50 years ago. We just put the people away in an asylum. These things take time. Sad but true. We are all humans. Just because you're not wanted doesn't mean you should be sentenced to death, should it?

The honest truth is probably that not many foster kids have made it to a position of power to influence the situation of future generations or more likely, it's not a hot button issue that will generate a lot of votes so it gets put on the back burner for something that will like "climate change" or "military".

Personally, I have enjoyed some of the stories I've heard of putting a school in or new an elder care facility. Both parties enjoy the company of the other and it's a win-win. Perhaps the same could be true for some foster care facilities so both parties could share the company of the other and learn from their generational differences while one grows up learning to respect elders and the other learns new skills to keep their mind sharp.

 

[$tatus $ymbol]

Men trying to dictate what is ultimately a woman's decision. Out.