***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

^^^^


I don't know what you hate more brah, Hillary or the ACA.


But both of them floruishing doe

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...2eeea2-ea03-11e4-aae1-d642717d8afa_story.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/obamacare-cost-failed-exchanges-106535


http://hotair.com/archives/2015/10/...ennessee-and-kentucky-both-announce-closures/

Ahhhhm thanks you for this famb, I miss yourcherry picked articles about problems with the system.

It really gives me pleasure watching someone those health insurance is probably subsidized by the federal government, complain about other people getting subsidies from the federal government.

OH btw, I know you know the GOP have been trying to hard to destroy those co-ops, by cutting funding to them. Just like they are denying million of people health insurance through denying the Medicaid expansion.

But sure, lets act like the enrollment numbers haven't beaten estimates, or that the law has survived not one, but two SCOTUS rulings (from a conservative court mind you ), or that the rhetoric of your party has shifted from "repeal at all cost...destroying America" to "repeal and replace", or that we had an election in between that time with that still being a major issue and the American people gave Obama the cosign again.

Let's ignore all that so you feel better on your war against giving people health care

-So famb, with all the obstacles it has faced, the fact that it is still around and helping people, I consider that flourishing

 

[frshstunna]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/listen-ben-carsons-rap-ad-aimed-african-american/story?id=34988082

I went to high school with his son , dude was a weirdo ...but Carson came to talk to us one day n he was rambling n made no sense, only thing I remember is him talking bout his book

 

[RustyShackleford]

I personally think it speaks to his character and ideals. Does it not?


If he was marching in pro segregation demonstrations wouldn't that still be relevent today?

-If he was a segregationist, he won't even have a shot at the presidency, let alone the democratic nomination.


Most white liberals would hate his guts as well.


-Bernie did what was right, and it does speak to character. Good on him. But in all honest, the the only thing white folk that supported civil rights deserve from the black community is not to be hated. Real talk


It is like a man wanting kudos because he is not a wife beater. Welp, good for you I guess


-While I do personally give Bernie credit because he went above and beyond want most did.
Edited by RustyShackleford - Yesterday at 7:57 pm

It's not like Bernie is out here asking for a cookie. This whole, "but he marched…" is just the media putting their spin on it. Bottom line is Bernie's record in public office > Hilary's. Point. Blank. Period. I think we're all on the same page on that front. 

Edit - well said Rex. 

Bernie isn't asking for one, but his supporters are. Because whenever I have read any liberal forum or spoken to Sanders supporters, strangers or friends, that is the first thing that comes outta their mouth when it comes "why black people should support Bernie"

I'm fine with it being used as a reason to say he is not a racist, not as a reason for him to get support of the black community.

If a young black kid is walking around upset at what the prison industrial complex has done to his community, and that is the major policy change he wants, Bernie's public record doesn't look that much better than Hillary's.

And in this election cycle, those young black kids are the face of the black community

It is unfortunate, but a lot of Bernie's white progressive supporters have done a great job at alienating black voters, even the ones that know about how white supremacy gets down. For example, both you and Rex.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Ben Carson just keeps getting better and better.

Dude's house is a shrine to himself

"poverb" though

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...omage-to-himself-in-pictures?CMP=share_btn_tw

 

[blco02]

 

[therealrell]

Ahhhhm thanks you for this famb, I miss yourcherry picked articles about problems with the system.

It really gives me pleasure watching someone those health insurance is probably subsidized by the federal government, complain about other people getting subsidies from the federal government.

OH btw, I know you know the GOP have been trying to hard to destroy those co-ops, by cutting funding to them. Just like they are denying million of people health insurance through denying the Medicaid expansion.

But sure, lets act like the enrollment numbers haven't beaten estimates, or that the law has survived not one, but two SCOTUS rulings (from a conservative court mind you ), or that the rhetoric of your party has shifted from "repeal at all cost...destroying America" to "repeal and replace", or that we had an election in between that time with that still being a major issue and the American people gave Obama the cosign again.

Let's ignore all that so you feel better on your war against giving people health care

-So famb, with all the obstacles it has faced, the fact that it is still around and helping people, I consider that flourishing

Helping people? You mean by turning this nation into one of freelance and part-time workers?

Whitewashing Hillary — step one in shutting down the FBI’s probe

Well, whaddya know? Maybe those Hillary Clinton emails didn’t include top-secret information after all.

At least, that’s the conclusion reportedly drawn by Director of National Intelligence James Clapper’s office — overruling the finding of Intelligence Community Inspector General Charles McCullough that two Clinton emails (from a sample of just 40) contained highly classified info.

Hmm. Clapper answers to the president — who issued clear marching orders months ago, announcing that Clinton’s server scam was “not a situation in which America’s national security was endangered.”

Oddly, news of Clapper’s finding got leaked to Politico soon after the Washington Free Beacon reported Clinton did indeed, right after taking over at State, acknowledge her responsibility to properly guard classified info — and that “negligent handling” of it could bring criminal penalties.

Until the Beacon broke that news, even the State Department was unclear on whether Clinton ever signed the Sensitive Compartmented Information Nondisclosure Agreement. By so doing, she promised not to put classified info at risk — by, say, storing it on a home-brewed email server.

Which she immediately turned around and did, because she didn’t want a record of her communications available to . . . the government of the United States of America.

That said, Clapper’s ruling whitewashes Clinton’s most serious known violations, and could serve as a pretext for shutting down the FBI’s probe into Clinton’s server use. But it shouldn’t.

Because her emails still include plenty of “born classified” info — stuff any top official knows must be kept safe.

“If a foreign minister just told the secretary of state something in confidence, by US rules that is classified at the moment it’s in US channels and US possession,” J. William Leonard, head of the US Information Security Oversight Office from 2002 to 2008, told Reuters in August.

And any high-ranking official knows those rules. That’s why two former CIA chiefs have faced prosecution for breaking them.

But the Obama administration is plainly bent on seeing that Hillary Clinton will skate for doing the same.

 

[RustyShackleford]

A New York Post article

I never take any of your drive by post seriously, and I continue not to

 

[therealrell]

Then we agree on something. You attack people for posting their opinions AND facts when it goes against your agenda. Clown *** *****.

Did the ACA not effect employment? Check the unemployment thread. Ask people who work in industries that have been directly impacted by it like mine. Even fast food workers and Wal-Mart employees have had their hours cut to fall beneath full-time so that they don't qualify for benefits, but you keep at it with the Democrat pom poms.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Then we agree on something. You attack people for posting their opinions AND facts when it goes against your agenda. Clown *** *****.

I debate people, and you have never posted anything factual.

You posted a damb rant from someone who hates Hillary.

Go wash you face b, I don't care what your opinion is about me.

If you don't like what I post, block me then.

 

[jthagreat]

Even fast food workers and Wal-Mart employees have had their hours cut to fall beneath full-time so that they don't qualify for benefits,

i cant believe folks really think this is an issue with ACA, and not the major corps.

Boggles my mind.

Folks will fight against their fellow man, and side with the rich... never understood why.

 

[dathbgboy]

Even fast food workers and Wal-Mart employees have had their hours cut to fall beneath full-time so that they don't qualify for benefits,

i cant believe folks really think this is an issue with ACA, and not the major corps.

Boggles my mind.

Folks will fight against their fellow man, and side with the rich... never understood why.

That's been going on before ACA was even passed

 

[nazdrowie]

some one caught bernie at Reagan doing stuff...

 

[blco02]

Ahh good ol socialist Bernie. Sure he penned an essay about rape fantasies, but so what?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/28/politics/bernie-sanders-rape-essay-1972/

If a republican had done this it would be a national outrage and they would not be permitted to hold public office.

 

[nomnom]

 

[crcballer55]

 

 

Even fast food workers and Wal-Mart employees have had their hours cut to fall beneath full-time so that they don't qualify for benefits,

i cant believe folks really think this is an issue with ACA, and not the major corps.

Boggles my mind.

Folks will fight against their fellow man, and side with the rich... never understood why.

That's been going on before ACA was even passed

It's not necessarily siding with the rich. It's realizing that money will always flow to the place of least resistance. It's also believing that the biggest issue with healthcare was the rising prices instead of realizing that rising prices are caused by external forces.

It's not like we as Americans can just eat all the junk we want, not exercise and then blame our health issues on lack of insurance.

 

[letsgetit22]

i cant believe folks really think this is an issue with ACA, and not the major corps.

Boggles my mind.

Folks will fight against their fellow man, and side with the rich... never understood why.

Exactly... the **** people allow corporations get away with is ridiculous.

 

[blco02]

Hillary tells another whopper. This is worse than anything Ben Carson has ever been accused of.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...r_not_that_hillary_tried_to_join_marines.html

 

[dreamer23]

AP Exclusive: Carson profits from ties with convicted felon

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-carson-profits-friendship-felon-085227938--election.html

Ben Carson has called for harsh criminal penalties for health care fraud, but the Republican presidential candidate and his wife also have kept millions invested with a close friend who admitted defrauding insurance companies, according to an Associated Press review.

"Why don't people steal very often in Saudi Arabia?" asked Carson, a retired neurosurgeon. "Obviously because the punishment is the amputation of one or more fingers. I would not advocate chopping off people's limbs, but there would be some very stiff penalties for this kind of fraud, such as loss of one's medical license for life, no less than 10 years in prison and loss of all of one's personal possessions."

Hillary tells another whopper. This is worse than anything Ben Carson has ever been accused of.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...r_not_that_hillary_tried_to_join_marines.html

oh really...?

 

[blco02]

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-carson-profits-friendship-felon-085227938--election.html


oh really...?

You really wanna go down this road with the Clintons? Look at how they intimidated and silenced the accusers of Bill and all his sexual deviance. Look at the shady characters they have associated with and taken money from in the past. Then you have whitewater, etc. Don't get me started.

 

[dreamer23]

nobody is going down a road with the clinton's...i really don't care for hillary...you said "This is worse than anything Ben Carson has ever been accused of." and i gave you an example of something worse that carson does presently...

 

[blco02]

nobody is going down a road with the clinton's...i really don't care for hillary...you said "This is worse than anything Ben Carson has ever been accused of." and i gave you an example of something worse that carson does presently...

I was talking about the recent "lies"'Carson has been accused of. In comparison to Hillary's whopper about trying to join the marines.

 

[dreamer23]

Ok...? So you think Clinton lying about walking into a marine recruiting office is worse than Carson making money with a convicted felon...?

 

[blco02]

Ok...? So you think Clinton lying about walking into a marine recruiting office is worse than Carson making money with a convicted felon...?

I think Clinton lying about trying to join the Marines is worse than Carson "lying" about being offered a scholarship to West Point. Which it turns out wasn't a lie.

That was my point. You sure are defending her a lot for some who supposedly doesn't care for her.

 

[dreamer23]

Ok cool...just ignore my question completely....

Don't understand why its so hard to answer...?

 

[blco02]

Ok cool...just ignore my question completely....

Don't understand why its so hard to answer...?

You're comparing apples to oranges. I don't even know if the Carson thing is true. But look into the Clintons past and you'll see tons of things similar to and worse than the Carson thing you posted.