IS KOBE BRYANT...OVERRATED?

DarthSka said:

Kobe fans, what about this?

Kobe's brand of basketball is overrated, and Kobe is the best at that brand in this generation.

actually, I know kama because then you'll say "Well then is jordan also overrated? Because he's the father of this brand of basketball."

to which I would reply about the six FMVPs, and how he began his NBA career thinking he'd win games by himself, but didn't actually win championships until he rid himself of that mentality.

and that will lead me nowhere.

so nevermind.

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DarthSka said:

Kobe fans, what about this?

Kobe's brand of basketball is overrated, and Kobe is the best at that brand in this generation.

actually, I know kama because then you'll say "Well then is jordan also overrated? Because he's the father of this brand of basketball."

to which I would reply about the six FMVPs, and how he began his NBA career thinking he'd win games by himself, but didn't actually win championships until he rid himself of that mentality.

and that will lead me nowhere.

so nevermind.

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Mister Friendly said:

DarthSka said:

Kobe fans, what about this?

Kobe's brand of basketball is overrated, and Kobe is the best at that brand in this generation.

actually, I know kama because then you'll say "Well then is jordan also overrated? Because he's the father of this brand of basketball."

to which I would reply about the six FMVPs, and how he began his NBA career thinking he'd win games by himself, but didn't actually win championships until he rid himself of that mentality.

and that will lead me nowhere.

so nevermind.

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Theres no such thing as overrated barnd of Basketball.

Theres just winning and losing.

And Kobe is a winner.

Kobe has 5 NBA Championship rings

More than Kidd

More than Paul Pierce

More than Dirk

More than Dr.J

More than Lebron

More than Wade

More than Hakeem

More than Wilt

More than Bird

More than Shaq

More than Duncan

And the same as Magic

The only impact players to have more rings than him is Jordan, Kareem and Bill Russsell.

So yeah Kobe is great

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ACBboyz84 said:

Kobe is a better shooter than MJ if you watch the games.

FG% is misleading. A layup still count same as a jumpshot. A mini hook, dunks, etc same.

FG% does not show how the shot was defended nor what kind of shot it was etc.

Lebron shot above 50%. Is he a better shooter or have better midrange game than let say Carmelo or Kobe or Dirk?

No. Lebron made layups and dunks. Is Wade a shooter? Does he shoot the ball better than Kobe, Dirk, Melo, Durant?

Wade have shot 50% too. I guess judging by the stat sheet. Wade is such a great shooter.

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CP1708 said:

I have a similar question. Why, when Mike, Magic, Larry, Dirk, Wade, Payton, Collins, Reggie, Simmons, Jalen, Ryan, Patrick, Kerr, Nash, Shaq, Phil, West, and plenty of others, players, reporters, front office types alike, why do YOU, NT message board guys think you know more than they do?

For instance, I get why Bron might say Kobe's one of the greats. Be diplomatic, no bulletin board type comments. But these other guys, like a Larry, or a Doug Collins, Simmons (who hates Kobe's guts) they have ZERO reason to call him one of the greats, so why do they? And why would you guys disagree with them?

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cartune said:

Stop strawmanning nobody has said Kobe isnt a great.

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cartune said:

CP1708 said:

I have a similar question. Why, when Mike, Magic, Larry, Dirk, Wade, Payton, Collins, Reggie, Simmons, Jalen, Ryan, Patrick, Kerr, Nash, Shaq, Phil, West, and plenty of others, players, reporters, front office types alike, why do YOU, NT message board guys think you know more than they do?

For instance, I get why Bron might say Kobe's one of the greats. Be diplomatic, no bulletin board type comments. But these other guys, like a Larry, or a Doug Collins, Simmons (who hates Kobe's guts) they have ZERO reason to call him one of the greats, so why do they? And why would you guys disagree with them?

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Stop strawmanning nobody has said Kobe isnt a great.

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Mister Friendly said:

Theres no such thing as overrated barnd of Basketball.

Theres just winning and losing.

And Kobe is a winner.

Kobe has 5 NBA Championship rings

More than Kidd

More than Paul Pierce

More than Dirk

More than Dr.J

More than Lebron

More than Wade

More than Hakeem

More than Wilt

More than Bird

More than Shaq

More than Duncan

And the same as Magic

The only impact players to have more rings than him is Jordan, Kareem and Bill Russsell.

So yeah Kobe is great

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CP1708 said:

I have a similar question. Why, when Mike, Magic, Larry, Dirk, Wade, Payton, Collins, Reggie, Simmons, Jalen, Ryan, Patrick, Kerr, Nash, Shaq, Phil, West, and plenty of others, players, reporters, front office types alike, why do YOU, NT message board guys think you know more than they do?

For instance, I get why Bron might say Kobe's one of the greats. Be diplomatic, no bulletin board type comments. But these other guys, like a Larry, or a Doug Collins, Simmons (who hates Kobe's guts) they have ZERO reason to call him one of the greats, so why do they? And why would you guys disagree with them?

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cartune said:

Mister Friendly said:

Theres no such thing as overrated barnd of Basketball.

Theres just winning and losing.

And Kobe is a winner.

Kobe has 5 NBA Championship rings

More than Kidd

More than Paul Pierce

More than Dirk

More than Dr.J

More than Lebron

More than Wade

More than Hakeem

More than Wilt

More than Bird

More than Shaq

More than Duncan

And the same as Magic

The only impact players to have more rings than him is Jordan, Kareem and Bill Russsell.

So yeah Kobe is great

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When all else fails bring up ring count

Being he only has 2 as the most valuable player on the team that list is cut shorterand you have to also say

Sam Jones, Tom Heinsohn, K. C. Jones, John Havlicek, Jim Loscutoff, Frank Ramsey, Robert Horry & Bob Cousy >>>>>> Kobe Bryant

Since you're talking about ring count by player who werent the FMVP

And also him as a winner....His "winning ways" has his team clawing for 8th place b....stop it....he's a pitbull scorer just let him be that...leave the winning adjective to somebody more deserving

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Mister Friendly said:

Yep could you imagine Kobe on Craig Ehlo?

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You'd be seeing that all the time

Imagine Kobe feasting on all the expansion level competition Jordan feasted on.

6 expansion teams came into the league over 8 year period in Jordan's career.

Kobe probably couldve scored 90 points

Kobe wouldn't have been better than Jordan but he would've been his nearest rival. I'm not saying Kobe is better than Jordan in anyway but he's the closest to him.

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ACBboyz84 said:

Mister Friendly said:

Yep could you imagine Kobe on Craig Ehlo?

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You'd be seeing that all the time

Imagine Kobe feasting on all the expansion level competition Jordan feasted on.

6 expansion teams came into the league over 8 year period in Jordan's career.

Kobe probably couldve scored 90 points

Kobe wouldn't have been better than Jordan but he would've been his nearest rival. I'm not saying Kobe is better than Jordan in anyway but he's the closest to him.

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You spit truth bro. Respect. Repped

I remember watching MJ 63 point game on youtube and they had DJ and Mchale trying to guard MJ. Those dudes look like they were ice skating. Bird was skating too.

And then i watch those Bulls vs Hornets games and they had 5'2 Mousgy Bouges geting post up by 6'6 Jordan. lol

And you're right. Craigh Eloh would have no shot trying to stay in front of Kobe or block a Kobe dunk



The lateral footwork of 80s defender were pathetic.

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Mister Friendly said:

Reading is fundamental

I said impact players. Try again

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CP1708 said:

Articles by whom? Bleacher report guys I get. Hollinger type guys, I get. There are current or former players that say he's overrated or not good? Former coaches? GM's?

Greg Pop calls him one of the best. Phil. Riley. Doc Rivers. Van Gundy. Bill Walton.

So we don't listen to what those guys say, then who do we listen too then? The ones that support your claims?

I need business advice, ya know what Phil Knight and Bill Gates, I don't need your input, lemme ask this mom and pop store owner.

We don't take what elite level players, coaches, or execs say. That.......makes zero sense. But I know that you personally stick to your own beliefs, but in a billion dollar business followed by many many millions, has to be some group of people that know things, if not those guys I named, who then? You know better basketball minds/IQ than those guys?

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CP1708 said:

cartune said:

CP1708 said:

I have a similar question. Why, when Mike, Magic, Larry, Dirk, Wade, Payton, Collins, Reggie, Simmons, Jalen, Ryan, Patrick, Kerr, Nash, Shaq, Phil, West, and plenty of others, players, reporters, front office types alike, why do YOU, NT message board guys think you know more than they do?

For instance, I get why Bron might say Kobe's one of the greats. Be diplomatic, no bulletin board type comments. But these other guys, like a Larry, or a Doug Collins, Simmons (who hates Kobe's guts) they have ZERO reason to call him one of the greats, so why do they? And why would you guys disagree with them?

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Stop strawmanning nobody has said Kobe isnt a great.

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They list him AMONG the greats.

NTers in here use Pierce, Kidd, JR etc, you know the names. None of the guys I listed do that. They say top 10, etc. This thread has seen top 20-25 and even higher (probably troll accounts).

What is strawmanning tho? I legit never heard that phrase before.

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SneakerPro said:

Bill Simmons Hates on Kobe, he's a Laker hater

Bill Simmons praises Kobe, he gets used an example for someone who knows basketball.

Funny

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