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Also, how many in here have actually read feminist works? Not just second hand accounts from articles or interpretations, but actively tried to learn about the subject? Sure, it might not interest you, but if you're going to have such strong opinions against the subject, shouldn't you know something about it?

 

Because there's no set guidelines for feminism. There's no universal acceptance of the term where it all fits neatly. There's first wave feminism, second wave, third and post feminism, etc. There's the issues raised by women of color, which can be different than the mainstream view of "feminism", particularly second wave which was seen as a white, upper-class view of feminism.

 

It seems like people tend to group any kind of ideals of women under the giant umbrella of "feminism", so they can lump any and all complaints they have and say it's a reflection of "feminism". 

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Find me a completely happy single mother.....ill wait.

 

The problem is women start believing this "feminist" stuff and run men off and then when they are all alone they are miserable.  Then they hate men more.  Instead of looking in the mirror. 

I think part of the problem is when people label "feminist" stuff with only the negative. Some could define feminism as believing women should have equal rights, equal pay, equal responsibilities, etc. If you took away the label, I think a lot of men might agree with key "feminist" points. But they associate the label with the extremists, and that's not fair when feminism isn't a single ideology, but an umbrella term for numerous variations and interpretations. 

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Find me a completely happy single mother.....ill wait.

The problem is women start believing this "feminist" stuff and run men off and then when they are all alone they are miserable.  Then they hate men more.  Instead of looking in the mirror. 

and whos problem is that??...that woman made her choice, she can deal with the consequences of it.
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Find me a completely happy single mother.....ill wait.

 

The problem is women start believing this "feminist" stuff and run men off and then when they are all alone they are miserable.  Then they hate men more.  Instead of looking in the mirror. 

I think part of the problem is when people label "feminist" stuff with only the negative. Some could define feminism as believing women should have equal rights, equal pay, equal responsibilities, etc. If you took away the label, I think a lot of men might agree with key "feminist" points. But they associate the label with the extremists, and that's not fair when feminism isn't a single ideology, but an umbrella term for numerous variations and interpretations. 

I'm not against anybody wanting to have equal rights....

 

I'm talking about the attitude and mindset.  Like I quoted earlier some women are anti-man instead of pro-woman.  Thats the issue. 

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So the basis for a strong family unit is the aged idea of a man going to work, while the woman throws on the apron and cleans the house?...isn't better if both can provide?...both work, two incomes, less financial stress, more vacations?
I agree in principle but a nice amount of women want equality when its beneficial then when its not they wanna be "women" again. Im just like is it ochie wally wally or is it one mike personally when I run into these types. You act like alot of women want to provide that isn't mainly just for themselves also while still spending the guys money like they are your child or something. Things like that mess up relationships but if its like you say I'm all for everybody helping for the common good of the family.
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I mean we did give women an inch and now their def taking a yard but I hope this **** evens out one day.

I don't know what reality some of y'all live in sometimes laugh.gif

Explain.

Who "gave" women anything? You act like they somehow have the upper hand in society now. "I hope this **** evens out one day?" Talking about men "regaining" the ground they "lost" to women?

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It's the truth as evidenced by the inflated sense of worth we see in women that call themselves "independent"...face facts homie.

I feel the only ground you should worship that a woman stands on are those women that legit hold you down and only have your best interests in mind....sad to say that for me that's my mother and my sisters as of this point in my life.
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Find me a completely happy single mother.....ill wait.

The problem is women start believing this "feminist" stuff and run men off and then when they are all alone they are miserable.  Then they hate men more.  Instead of looking in the mirror. 

and whos problem is that??...that woman made her choice, she can deal with the consequences of it.


Who's problem? Its a societal problem having angry single mothers raising kids to hate men.....instead having balanced families

 

Want some proof? Take a look in here......

 

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Who's problem? Its a societal problem having angry single mothers raising kids to hate men.....instead having balanced families

Want some proof? Take a look in here......

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son i dont hate men, and my mother didnt raise me to hate men, wth are you talking about....

your dad should have taught you to have more of a backbone instead of constantly crying about women this, women that.
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I mean we did give women an inch and now their def taking a yard but I hope this **** evens out one day.

I don't know what reality some of y'all live in sometimes laugh.gif

Explain.

Who "gave" women anything? You act like they somehow have the upper hand in society now. "I hope this **** evens out one day?" Talking about men "regaining" the ground they "lost" to women?

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It's the truth as evidenced by the inflated sense of worth we see in women that call themselves "independent"...face facts homie.

I feel the only ground you should worship that a woman stands on are those women that legit hold you down and only have your best interests in mind....sad to say that for me that's my mother and my sisters as of this point in my life.

Bro, women have been beat down physically, psychologically, emotionally, economically, and politically by men for thousands of years. And you're upset that over the course of the last 50 years or so that they've started to question their oppression and see themselves as equal to men, which you characterize as an "inflated sense of worth?"

Some of y'all are literally delusional man...

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I'm not against anybody wanting to have equal rights....

 

I'm talking about the attitude and mindset.  Like I quoted earlier some women are anti-man instead of pro-woman.  Thats the issue. 

But I think you're just looking at the extremes... in this case being anti-men. Like I said, you're not against equal rights, and a lot of men aren't either.. but they assume anyone who uses the term "feminist" only means the extremist man hating, bra burning kind. And many feminists might reject that extremist notion because they know it doesn't create a healthy discussion and doesn't represent them.

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these financially unbalanced relationships where a woman makes significantly more than her man i guarantee you dont amount to the vast majority of broken homes due to baby momma drama, unplanned pregnancies, deadbeat dads.....i can bet my left nut on that.
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It's the popular opinion. That's what feminist has become and it's sad. I saw a chick arguing in allc aps with other women because she wanted to stay home and raise her kid, while her husband worked. And the point she made was being a feminist is being in the position of power and having the ability to make that decision rather than to be locked in as a house wife. Other "feminists" weren't buying that.

Bad example but if you go to tumblr and pull 10 things off of a "feminist" search 90% will be male bashing.
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So the basis for a strong family unit is the aged idea of a man going to work, while the woman throws on the apron and cleans the house?...isn't better if both can provide?...both work, two incomes, less financial stress, more vacations?
I agree in principle but a nice amount of women want equality when its beneficial then when its not they wanna be "women" again. Im just like is it ochie wally wally or is it one mike personally when I run into these types. You act like alot of women want to provide that isn't mainly just for themselves also while still spending the guys money like they are your child or something. Things like that mess up relationships but if its like you say I'm all for everybody helping for the common good of the family.


Thats why it can never be equal.....good points Pete.  Men can't make money then STILL live off a woman.

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Thats why it can never be equal.....good points Pete.  Men can't make money then STILL live off a woman.

I dont know about you, but me as a man never aspire to live off a woman, I dont see how any man with pride would be cool with that or even want society to find that acceptable.
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Schools and media actively promote homosexuality which is a debilitating developmental disorder. "Gay Rights" is a mask for a vile attack on heterosexuals.

It's pathetic that people actually believe this. 

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It happens in a lot of developed countries. Women choose careers over children, careers over husbands etc. Look at the birth rates in countries like Japan, South Korea, Germany and England. As women gain higher economic and social status, they have less kids, marry less often and divorce more often. The family unit as we know it in first world countries is a dying species.

I personally don't blame women for this. They have had the short end of the stick for a long time, and are out for all they can get

I can't control society, but I'm not interested in participating in this movement. The women back home still value the family unit, and that their families come before their careers. That's how we were raised too.
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Thats why it can never be equal.....good points Pete.  Men can't make money then STILL live off a woman.

I dont know about you, but me as a man never aspire to live off a woman, I dont see how any man with pride would be cool with that or even want society to find that acceptable.

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Thats the point!!!!!

 

Thats why things can't be equal so why preach that nonsense?

 

A man must be a provider because the women is allowed to be less and spend his money.  Thats how society is and why would women attempt to say otherwise?

 

A woman who makes same money or more money STILL wants to be provided for and its actually acceptable in society. So why attempt to say otherwise?  There is no equality.

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this thread speaks volumes on exactly the kind of dudes these women DO NOT WANT to be with.

 blame the feminists for you still living on ya moms couch complaining about how girls dont want you because basically you are still a boy,blame them for your "ideal" career never happening and now you are bitter,blame them for your lack of "yambs" and insecurities and while you are at it blame them for your mommy issues.

 

like someone else mentioned

men have become so damn soft, and this and along with all the other threads *****ing about how women are so cruel just proves how pussified men are nowadays.

 

MAN THE FUGG UP.

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this thread speaks volumes on exactly the kind of dudes these women DO NOT WANT to be with.
 blame the feminists for you still living on ya moms couch complaining about how girls dont want you because basically you are still a boy,blame them for your "ideal" career never happening and now you are bitter,blame them for your lack of "yambs" and insecurities and while you are at it blame them for your mommy issues.

like someone else mentioned
men have become so damn soft, and this and along with all the other threads *****ing about how women are so cruel just proves how pussified men are nowadays.

MAN THE FUGG UP.
i live by myself....

and i think yambs still want d... where do i fit in?
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this thread speaks volumes on exactly the kind of dudes these women DO NOT WANT to be with.

 blame the feminists for you still living on ya moms couch complaining about how girls dont want you because basically you are still a boy,blame them for your "ideal" career never happening and now you are bitter,blame them for your lack of "yambs" and insecurities and while you are at it blame them for your mommy issues.

 

like someone else mentioned

men have become so damn soft, and this and along with all the other threads *****ing about how women are so cruel just proves how pussified men are nowadays.

 

MAN THE FUGG UP.

 

Women aren't being blamed for a man not making money or being successful tho....nobody has said that.
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I mean we did give women an inch and now their def taking a yard but I hope this **** evens out one day.

I don't know what reality some of y'all live in sometimes laugh.gif

Explain.

Who "gave" women anything? You act like they somehow have the upper hand in society now. "I hope this **** evens out one day?" Talking about men "regaining" the ground they "lost" to women?

laugh.gif

It's the truth as evidenced by the inflated sense of worth we see in women that call themselves "independent"...face facts homie.

I feel the only ground you should worship that a woman stands on are those women that legit hold you down and only have your best interests in mind....sad to say that for me that's my mother and my sisters as of this point in my life.

Bro, women have been beat down physically, psychologically, emotionally, economically, and politically by men for thousands of years. And you're upset that over the course of the last 50 years or so that they've started to question their oppression and see themselves as equal to men, which you characterize as an "inflated sense of worth?"

Some of y'all are literally delusional man...

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let me tell you something....women of today aren't those women who were oppressed back then. Those women are old and decrepit by now. Women of today, not all, but those I noted in my post as those who have that inflated sense of ego cannot take the credit for women who were oppressed back then. So stop trying to be a captain and realize that it's a fuggin fact that there are alot of women in large metropolitan cities in the U.S. and other established countries that view themselves as having power over men and of course they do cuz bums like you give it to them. You giving them the juice now kid.

I give my recognition to women who had to deal with that same oppression from men back then and now and still know how to value a good man's worth. Your lumping all women into the same pot. thier are the bad ones like I'm talking about that use men in one way or another and there are a special few that know that man and woman have certain roles in our society and it's not in a sense of putting one side down or up over another but just to know each persons roles and responsibilities not just a man or a woman but as a human being,

This talk is excluding all talk of gays, transgender and what have you....I'm only talking about heterosexual people.
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Thats why it can never be equal.....good points Pete.  Men can't make money then STILL live off a woman.

I dont know about you, but me as a man never aspire to live off a woman, I dont see how any man with pride would be cool with that or even want society to find that acceptable.

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Thats the point!!!!!

 

Thats why things can't be equal so why preach that nonsense?

 

A man must be a provider because the women is allowed to be less and spend his money.  Thats how society is and why would women attempt to say otherwise?

 

A woman who makes same money or more money STILL wants to be provided for and its actually acceptable in society. So why attempt to say otherwise?  There is no equality.

Then men shouldn't be settling with women that want to have their cake and eat it too. Oh no, did I just bash men?

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i live by myself....

and i think yambs still want d... where do i fit in?

 women will always want the D, no matter what.

 

alot of this thread is dudes acting like we are going to become obsolete and ish, cmon now.

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So here ya'll go with this women used to be perfect **** again? Some of you guys suffer from near sighted intellect. Woman just seem less dependent because its open now with social networking and what not. The thirst is unreal.

In short, yes the environment has changed, for the better IMO, my issue is the morality being brought into this, as if women's attitudes have changed.
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says alot about the quality of us men nowadays when we find it hard to keep up with a successful woman.
So you would marry an ugly women with a 7figure 401k over a hostess at the w? I find that hard to believe honestly. Successful woman in your definition is income?
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Thats why it can never be equal.....good points Pete.  Men can't make money then STILL live off a woman.


I dont know about you, but me as a man never aspire to live off a woman, I dont see how any man with pride would be cool with that or even want society to find that acceptable.
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Thats the point!!!!!

Thats why things can't be equal so why preach that nonsense?

A man must be a provider because the women is allowed to be less and spend his money.  Thats how society is and why would women attempt to say otherwise?

A woman who makes same money or more money STILL wants to be provided for and its actually acceptable in society. So why attempt to say otherwise?  There is no equality.
Then men shouldn't be settling with women that want to have their cake and eat it too. Oh no, did I just bash men?
If that was the case and men stuck to that society at least in the US probably wouldnt make but a few more generations truthfully if everybody felt and stuck to that cause a nice amount of women want their cake and eat it too. Don't believe it try going to a mainly female messageboard when these topics are brought up or maybe ask a female friend that will keep it real with you. We can say that gender roles are done (maybe they should be) but its not realistic guys mainly trying to get with the baddest chick and women mainly looking for the best provider they can get.
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I agree in principle but a nice amount of women want equality when its beneficial then when its not they wanna be "women" again. Im just like is it ochie wally wally or is it one mike personally when I run into these types. You act like alot of women want to provide that isn't mainly just for themselves also while still spending the guys money like they are your child or something. Things like that mess up relationships but if its like you say I'm all for everybody helping for the common good of the family.


exactly for the most part women want cake and eat it too...i wanna be independent treated equal seen as a man etc.... when it comes to the workforce etc.... but in all other aspects of life...then im not equal and wanna go back to the old school. thing is this is encouraged in society for women and discouraged in men.... a dude with a old school mentality is damn near unheard of and would be seen as barbaric, and not changing with the times...

 

a woman on the other hand is seen as pure and old fashion if had that old school mindset. The funny a most overused and false assumption is that men a superficial... outside of looks...that really is the only superficial aspect men judge women on...

 

women on the other hand its looks, and pretty much any thing of monetary value, or prestige. It is so commonplace now and social accepted as a norm...hell half the tv shows reality etc... is at its premised based on women in some aspect who are monetary and superficial thinking driven

 

A man is more inclined to date be with a women regardless of his income, as long as she is pretty and cool get along with... same in most part cant be said about a woman. Its gotten to the point where ppl have made careers of basically reinforcing these shallow values...ala the tyler perrys, steve harveys, etc...

 

Hell just look at dating shows...outside of looks, the whole premise of the guy is personality, and values... That ish is at the bottom of the list or not even mentioned at all by women..

 

If it isnt a certain degree, only eat goes to certain places, makes certain amount, into certain society set upper class etc... For most part what is happening is women are doing less, and being less compromising, and demanding more...on the basis of well if isnt my way...hell i dont need you cause i can have all the monetary value things i want with my newfound success, job etc...

 

No more oh well baby we should stay in and have a cooked meal...its oh nah you cheap and i wanna go to a five star restaurant...oh if you dont that just means you cheap and you dont have class you aint on my level.... thats cool ill just go with my gf's. Oh you want me to clean the house forget that hire a maid...im miss independent and you trying to lower me...

 

Its if you dont wanna go out and spend money on redic, overprice stuff just to show we got money...then you being cheap and i dont need you... and if you speak out and say look that is just foolish... society says oh girl he just cheap/broke or he dont have class.

 

I could g on and on...i was looking at a study, and despite women making more in many instances...in terms of savings and just overall net value..women have faaaaaaaar less to show for what they actually earn.

 

And to the point of single mothers....it is so many layers to that...that this whole butt hurt sons who think its mostly due to dudes just not wanting to be dads...actually believe this b.s. From a legal court system that makes a living from this...tanf/dfacs, family lawyers...so on and so forth...to the industrialized prison system...why do you think most gov programs are geared towards women...and most laws concerning laws in terms of the family structure all favor women?

 

Do you really think that the fact their isnt a single law...that enables a man to be a father...that even married you have absolutely no laws to protect your rights as a father?

 

Yea you have rights...but guess what rights arent laws... and rights have contingencies...all of them in which one form another is money being

spent...by who...? you guessed it men.

 

So essentially we live in a society were women are given liberties, without pretty much any repercussions or ramifications...and if men want them they have to get them in a form of rights...ie pay out money to get the same equalities...that women get just on the basis of being a woman.

 

A woman can go out have kids without absolutely no worries...whether its a man name sam, uncle sam.....in some form or fashion she and her family will be taken cared of. So the whole notion of a give and take and we need each other becomes null and void... IF at the end of the day i can choose do as i please, no compromise and at the end of the day still get what i want...(monetary value things) why would i need or hell even want to compromise? It be like your boss saying you can come to work and get paid and do some work you dont like, or go off and do as you please and either way you still get paid the same. Like really would it come as a surprised if the worker took off. What incentive would there be to come to work.

 

Im not a woman hater....but i mean end of the day we are asking if you could have your cake and eat it too would you...And for women its yes. Granted too much of the cake is bad for you...but thats hindsight...and that isnt realized till later own you have a tunny ache..but all while you eating it you just thinking how good this cake is...and how enjoyable it is. Thats the modern day often time single woman.

 

Have cake,eat all the cake...didnt wanna share...and then complain they gotta tummy ache...and look at everyone like why yall let me eat all this cake?

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these financially unbalanced relationships where a woman makes significantly more than her man i guarantee you dont amount to the vast majority of broken homes due to baby momma drama, unplanned pregnancies, deadbeat dads.....i can bet my left nut on that.
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I mean do ya really blame women?....I think both sides need to be held accountable, we gonna act as if we are perfect?...how common is it for a man to pop a seed in a woman and easily walk out of that child's life?...forcing that woman to solely take on the responsibility and suffer the consequences while the dad goes on with his life?...I don't believe the feminist way of thinking is what's in fact ruining the family structure.

I think the man deserves 0 responsibility for that child.

I also think it's sad that people don't raise their children, and I would never have a baby until I was ready.


A woman is the one who gets pregnant, she knows its the result of sex, it's HER body (that's what they say right) its HER right. She can choose to have a baby or not have a baby and the man just has to roll around and become a father or lose his future kid. I think that is complete ********. If you're gonna give them the power, give them all of it.

Feminist way of thinking definitely has a lot of faults. Women don't even want to breast feed their own kids, and they're above supporting their man and a few household chores. eyes.gifThey're not so much pro women as they are anti-man and it gets tiresome. I joked one day and asked a chick if she was taking me out for drinks. COMPLETE JOKE. And she flipped and got extra insulted. As a man you're taught to compete so yeah I might feel slighted if my chick was doing better than me but that's something I gotta live with. I'd rather her doing better than me than doing nothing at all





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I think the man deserves 0 responsibility for that child.

I also think it's sad that people don't raise their children, and I would never have a baby until I was ready.


A woman is the one who gets pregnant, she knows its the result of sex, it's HER body (that's what they say right) its HER right. She can choose to have a baby or not have a baby and the man just has to roll around and become a father or lose his future kid. I think that is complete ********. If you're gonna give them the power, give them all of it.

Feminist way of thinking definitely has a lot of faults. Women don't even want to breast feed their own kids, and they're above supporting their man and a few household chores. eyes.gif They're not so much pro women as they are anti-man and it gets tiresome. I joked one day and asked a chick if she was taking me out for drinks. COMPLETE JOKE. And she flipped and got extra insulted. As a man you're taught to compete so yeah I might feel slighted if my chick was doing better than me but that's something I gotta live with. I'd rather her doing better than me than doing nothing at all


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see man, that right there is the reason why family structure has gone down the drain, if we were just a little more selective, a bit more reserved about sex instead of treating it as a competition to see which male conquered more P in their lifetime, there wouldnt be as many accidental pregnancies, you sleep with a woman knowing the consequences man...







You right, tho. Hard to overcome hormones and natural instinct tho....
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