Originally Posted by Shady
Originally Posted by Elpablo21
problem is he shouldnt follow anyone (regardless of race) and call the cops (and not the non emergency line) if he believed a person was up to something serious
Zimmerman had every right to follow and verbally interact with Martin that night. There are absolutely ZERO laws against those actions, and neither following, nor verbally interacting with Martin pushes the situation up the force scale.
Could it have made Martin nervous? Sure, but had both men acted maturely, the fight would not have happened.
From the point of view of the law, SOMEONE threw a punch. We don't know who it was, but its the only thing that really matters here. Had Zimmerman punched Martin first, Zimmerman would be guilty of at least manslaughter, if not outright murder.
BUT, if Martin threw the first punch, then Zimmerman is guilty of nothing but self defense, and under Florida law is immune from all criminal and civil prosecution.
Once again, we don't know who threw the first punch, and as such, we don't know who is at fault.
What everyone flat out arguing for Martin does not understand is that the only thing that matters is what happened from a legal perspective.
We all have heard from the media what might have happened had Zimmerman been in the wrong... yes, he might have killed martin in cold blood, but there are alternate narratives based on the evidence, one of which in fact is what Zimmerman has claimed all along.
Lets look at the last one though that nobody seems to be talking about.
Lets say that Martin does understand the laws, and realizes that if he attacks Zimmerman, he will be in the wrong. He still wants to make sure that Zimmerman is not some creeper, so he doubles back and confronts Zimmerman head on. Once again, Martin knows the laws and realizes that he can't just attack Zimmerman unprovoked, so he identifies himself, uses as much strong language as he likes, but eventually Zimmerman figures out that Martin lives where he does, and Martin figures out that Zimmerman is just trying to protect everyone in the neighborhood. Both men walk away unharmed, and the gun never comes into play.
The law is VERY cut and dry... very binary. It leaves absolutely no room for morals or ethics.
Once again, I know that nobody likes hearing this, but the Law is the only thing that matters here. It basically boils down to this: "if you are the aggressor, and your actions could cause grave bodily harm or death, then you are taking your life into your own hands, because the person you are attacking has every right to do whatever is necessary to defend themselves. That includes taking your life."
Neither you, or I know who threw the first punch that night. But... given that head injuries are disorienting, and given that pounding a head on concrete is fully capable of killing someone, then Zimmerman would very likely have been "scared for his life" as is required by law to justify lethal force. If he initiated the use of force... not the encounter, but use of force, then he would be guilty of at least manslaughter, if not murder.
If Martin initiated use of force, then sadly the law says that Zimmerman is justified in taking Martin's life.
Also, for race discussion people may want to refer to this page and duly note the parents have withdrawn by their lawyer that this case is not about racial profiling:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trayvon-martin-trial-prosecution-star-witness-grilled-article-1.1384074