Official 2013 NBA Offseason Thread

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Franklin is a great pick up for Mem

Bigger Tony Allen is his ceiling, he's a great athlete and a good defender. He tore Shabazz up when they played UCLA
 
next season is gonna be ugly, bunch of teams ready to tank. teams could possibly get close to that Bulls 72-10 record
 
CP1708 said:
The draft isn't regarded well enough in the NBA yet, imo. Either the scouting isn't enough, or teams just don't pay attention or what, I don't know, but so much talent flops while other talents emerge. Some of it may just be pure stupidity, but you have to play it out and not be careless. Some examples.

Minnesota in 07 drafts OJ Mayo and trades for Kevin Love. Smart.
08 Draft Pekovic. Draft and trade Chalmers, another PG :lol:
Take Rubio AND Flynn in 09???? Then to be funny, take Lawson and trade him too. (the ****?) But they keep Wayne Ellington. :lol:
Steph Curry was sitting there. Love, Pekovic, Steph, Rubio, in TWO YEARS, this could have been a foursome.
2010, Minny takes Wes Johnson......over Gordon Hayward or Paul George.
2011, D Williams over Kawhi, or Klay Thompson. Cavs get Kyrie at 1, could have had one of those guys at 4, or Vucevic.

OKC in 07 gets Durant and Jeff Green, trades Carl Landry (ouch)
Next year they grab Russ and Ibaka (!!!!)
in 09 they get Harden.
10 they take Bledsoe, traded to the Clippers.

Clippers get Gordon and DeAndre.
09 they get Blake.
10 they get Aminou and Bledsoe.
11 pick becomes Kyrie Irving since they traded an unprotected pick. (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Nuggets by the way get Lawson in a trade at 18 and Faried at 22 in back to back years. Good thing these crappy teams drafting in the top 5 every year passed on both of them. :lol:


Just 3-4 teams right there, look at what they COULD have been in 3 years, EASY. EASSSSSSSSSY. And some of you are selling me that they HAVE to overpay players we already KNOW won't develop into anything for them outside of middling NBA team. LMAO, the Clippers could have had Kyrie, Gordon, Aminou, Blake, DeAndre with Bledsoe as a 6th man all under 24 at LOW COST and bought 2-3 free agents for middle of the pack deals and been a 9 deep team for the next decade easy. EASY. That's when you can begin to overpay to keep your own pieces in place and once the fanbase is on board with all the talent you've brought in. At that point, you spend your money wisely, or aggressively.

Minny with Pekovic, Love, Paul George, Steph and Rubio in 3 drafts. :wow: :rofl: Good thing they drafted 4 other PG's and a few more stiffs. klasdhfkhadfh;h


Pekovic, Love, George, Steph, and Rubio.........I'm not going to sleep tonight and they aren't even my team. Oh my God. :smh:

But hey, they don't need George and Steph when they can overpay 28 million for Kevin Martin, right guys? Have to do it, cuz ya know, you're a mid market team, nobody will come play for you. Yeah..... :lol:
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Your speaking from a hindsight point of view though.Memphis thought they had their top flight 2 in trading love for mayo, which at first looked like the right decision. Who expected Love to be an All star all the while OJ not being one at all? That's a gamble. Btw I dont see love making any playoffs with minny either.

No one thought Russy and Harden were going to be All NBA type of players. No one thought they were going to be franchise type players. Look at Russ anAnd what he did at UCLA...nothing suggested he was going to do this.

I can't explain minny and all those PG's :lol: but Johnny Flynn was regarded as the better pg out of the rest of his class in 09. Big East guy who was awesome against elite competition. No one knew he was going to flame out. Its mostly luck.

The clips traded away basically kyrie but who knew they were going to get the number one pick? Pure luck that that pick ended up #1.

Its mostly luck.
 
Big J 33 said:
I think we all acknowledge the reality that markets like Sacramento and New Orleans have to overpay players, but most of the time they overpay in order to make the playoffs then get swept... as the best case scenario. For some franchises, a few years of just making the playoffs certainly might be preferred over being top 5 in the lottery every year, but it's hard to be excited as an outside fan when teams overpay to join basketball purgatory.
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Yea thats the cycle and balance that these type of franchises go through..you dont want overpaid borderline all stars/ stat guys with first round exits every year...but fans get tired of rebuilding for 5 straight seasons and you still aint land a franchise player or anything exciting, so then they want to see the team just make the playoffs again
 
and so it begins.. again...
[h1]Howard can take easy way out of LA, or stay and become a legend[/h1]July 3, 2013 1:08 AM ET

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The courtship is over, and the choice is clear for Dwight Howard.

What will he do?

Chances are, he'll do what nobody else of his stature has ever done or would ever do -- because, that's Dwight.
 
Two years ago, Howard wanted out of Orlando and had a list of three teams: the Nets, Lakers and Mavericks. Through a series of unfortunate events, Howard wound up with one of them -- the most storied franchise of them all. He wound up in LA, with a team that has won 16 championships, in the entertainment capital of the world.

He got to be teammates with the most prolific winner of our generation, Kobe Bryant, and has a chance to continue to be. He got to play with the franchise that is responsible for giving the NBA some of its most legendary figures -- Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson, Shaquille O'Neal, Bryant, and on and on.

Did we mention the 16 championships?

Finally, Howard stands at the center of the most terrifying maelstrom that has come along in the NBA in decades. What is that, you ask? It's called the Lakers with cap space.

That means that Howard, who has traveled from Orlando to LA and now to a free-agent courtship with four other teams, is 12 months away from being the centerpiece of an unprecedented constellation of star power. If you thought the Lakers' courtship of Howard was something -- with the banners and the hashtags and whatnot -- wait until they knock on LeBron James' door on July 1, 2014.

Dwight, LeBron and Carmelo Anthony on the Lakers, with Bryant saying this week he has three good years left in him? It would make the Heat's Big Three look like a bad pickup game at the Y.
 
As the basketball world awaits Dwight's decision, the rest of the teams competing in the NBA have their fingers crossed that he fails to see all of that. The rest of the teams are hoping that he runs from the greatness of the Lakers, from the mystique and resources and cache that the late Dr. Jerry Buss built. The rest of the NBA is hoping that he thumbs his nose at the place where basketball legends are made and buys into the shortsighted notion that he's better off going to Houston to play with James Harden.

Well, to be fair, James Harden and Josh Smith. League sources told CBSSports.com on Tuesday night that the Rockets acted quickly on Howard's desire to bring another star to Houston with him and have begun their pursuit of Smith, the Hawks' free-agent forward and Howard's former AAU teammate in Atlanta, in a sign-and-trade arrangement.

No offense to Harden or Smith. No offense to Daryl Morey, who has expertly positioned his roster and payroll for this moment. No offense to Mark Cuban, who has not only the resources but also the basketball acumen and championship track record to give Howard a winning environment in Dallas.

No offense to the Hawks or Warriors, who are on their way.

But seriously: Who walks away from the Lakers?

Who walks away from the Lakers when they'll have $50 million in cap space next summer, when James, Anthony, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh are free agents?

With Howard in the fold, the Lakers would walk into the recruitment of James next summer with the best center in the league and room for two other max players. The rest of the NBA would be ducking for cover.

If Howard chooses the Lakers, the shenanigans and drama that has consumed his career for the past three years would cease. I'm not big on loyalty being a trait that professional athletes should exhibit, since hardly anyone shows it to them. But Howard more than anyone else in the sport needs some loyalty on his resume. He'd check that box if he re-signed with the Lakers.

He'd be signing more than a piece of paper that states he'll be paid X amount over X number of years to play basketball professionally. He'd be signing up to enter the pantheon of the all-time greats. And he'd be signing up for having the foresight to see beyond the next 12 months and embrace a future in which the Lakers have two Hall of Famers and money to spend on two more.
 
In the short term, with an old roster and with Bryant's Achilles injury, it would be a challenge. And by choosing the more difficult road in the short term, Howard would get image points for that, too.

The Lakers' recruitment of Dwight -- on billboards, on Twitter, in the awkwardly worded team statement after their two-hour meeting with him on Tuesday -- has made some uncomfortable. But everybody needs to understand something: There hasn't been a peep, not a whisper of the Lakers entertaining a desperation sign-and-trade arrangement to salvage an asset or two if Howard decided to leave.

Think about that. Nobody in the NBA can afford to lose a player of Dwight Howard's talent and get nothing in return. Nobody ... except the Lakers.

If Howard leaves, the Lakers will be fine. They'll still be the Lakers -- still will have 16 championship banners and a winning legacy built by Dr. Buss despite the best efforts of his bon vivant son, Jim, to ruin it.

In fact, the Lakers would be better than the Lakers as we've known them. In 12 short months, they'll be the Lakers with Dwight Howard and cap space. Which means they'll be able to get whatever players -- and whatever coach -- they want.

If the Clippers can have Chris Paul and Doc Rivers, who could the Lakers have with money to spend?

So the question remains: What will Dwight do? I don't know. Nobody knows; not even Dwight.

I just know that if he stays with the Lakers, he'll put the NBA on notice that he's finally figured it out. If he stays with the Lakers, he'll take the first step toward repairing his image, proving his loyalty and entering the exclusive club of legends who've been made there.

He'll be signing up for something hard, something challenging to live up to. It isn't easy to win championships and be great.

I also know this: If he leaves, he'll just go back to being Dwight Howard. Somehow, that makes the most sense.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/...asy-way-out-of-la-or-stay-and-become-a-legend
 
CP1708 said:
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Clippers get Gordon and DeAndre.
09 they get Blake.
10 they get Aminou and Bledsoe.
11 pick becomes Kyrie Irving since they traded an unprotected pick. (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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I mean they got Chris so it all worked out in the end but SHEEEEEEEEESY!!! :wow: :smh:
 
CertifiedFlyBoi23 said:
Kyrie is nice but he's made of glass...
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That's obviously an exaggeration but on another note...

It is a bit wild that a guy who has played a total of 110 games is held in such high regard by so many people. I mean there are debates about Kyrie being a top 5 point guard...and he's played 110 games...for the Cleveland Cavaliers.
 
VICTOR PAGE said:
That's obviously an exaggeration but on another note...

It is a bit wild that a guy who has played a total of 110 games is held in such high regard by so many people. I mean there are debates about Kyrie being a top 5 point guard...and he's played 110 games...for the Cleveland Cavaliers.
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its no debate.....he is
 
Uncle Drew's personality has a lot to do with it... along with his style of play.
 
Suberzat1 said:
its no debate.....he is
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See what I mean?

Who else...has ever played 110 games and been considered top 5 at their position before? Mind you...arguably the strongest position in the NBA right now.

Besides Lebron maybe...
 
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Suberzat1 said:
VICTOR PAGE said:
That's obviously an exaggeration but on another note...

It is a bit wild that a guy who has played a total of 110 games is held in such high regard by so many people. I mean there are debates about Kyrie being a top 5 point guard...and he's played 110 games...for the Cleveland Cavaliers.
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its no debate.....he is
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Lol most point guards can average his numbers if they passed as much as he does in my eyes the top 5 placements are hype but top 10 are warrented
 
Kyrie top 10 yes..top 5, hell no definitely not yet...wish Wall got some of the luv that Kyrie gets tho
 
I stopped reading that article when it said Dwight LeBron and Carmelo on the Lakers. Thats a Mr. Fantastic reach
 
If cavs want any chance of landing Lebron Kyrie has to at least 60-70 games

He's been injured for the past 3 seasons of ball
 
VICTOR PAGE said:
See what I mean?

Who else...has ever played 110 games and been considered top 5 at their position before? Mind you...arguably the strongest position in the NBA right now.

Besides Lebron maybe...
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kyrie hasnt drop off yet like most players after rookie season.....wall got hurt and doesnt seem to train in the offseason expect to play summer league ball.  Maybe calling him top 5 was a little too much but he towards the top in top ten end. And this no media talking for me. Shoot u can look at rivers and kyrie but coming from duke with the amount of games each played.
 
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