DC Studios THREAD - GunnVerse Begins - Chapter ONE: Gods & Monsters

[everysingletime]

What Snyder wants probably will be irrelevant soon enough. 70 percent drop in the USA its second weekend and stopped dead in its tracks in China. I caught an article with a headline that said that BvS hit the Great Wall of China

He finna catch the fade soon enough

And then we will be blessed with DC movies where we don't have to squint cuz lighting is non - existent.

 

[shogun]

If I were an all powerful character, I'd find it hard to relate to humans too. Think like they do and react to certain stuff like they do. If I was Kal and I do everything I can to save people and the planet, I'd lose my mind a little bit if my girl died too. Besides his cousin Kara, it seems like other kryptonians we see just want to be evil and rule the world. He might be able to relax more if he had other kryptonians to hang out with who were like him.

 

[shogun]

Snyder's Superman can't even comprehend taking his clothes off before jumping in a bathtub.

He saw lois looking all good and didn't want to wait. He probably doesn't even need to take off his pants, he'd rip through a suit of armor.

 

[sea manup]

 

what makes superman interesting is the same thing that makes dr manhattain interesting. they are so powerful that they are able to focus on issues beyond human comprehension, if we are getting an all powerful god character then explore what someone would do and care about given this superior understanding of the universe and limitless ability to achieve anything. why do we need another emotionally soft character who only cares about saving his girl? huge waste of potential. 

Clark = Anakin

That's what Snyder wants.

or kylo ren?

when he needs help he just talks to his dead dad/granddad

 

[shogun]

That ogre looking fool kylo needs to get murked asap.

 

[Armada]

I actually like DR. Manhattan. To me he is the "God-type" character done better IMO. Dr. Manhattan doesn't give a **** because of his perspective and abilities which I expect from a character like that and I find that interesting.

I don't consider Superman a "God-type" character because he does give a **** meaning he might not be as all powerful and above all things as he comes off as sometimes because of his abilities, something is connecting him to humanity. 

Which reminded me of what might be my favorite line of the movie was Luthor saying "If you're all powerful you're not all good...and if you're all good you're not all powerful".

 

[everysingletime]

Snyder's Superman can't even comprehend taking his clothes off before jumping in a bathtub.

He saw lois looking all good and didn't want to wait. He probably doesn't even need to take off his pants, he'd rip through a suit of armor.

Oh so that's the kind of pron you like

I was wondering what kinda savagery you were into

 

[sea manup]

he's dr manhattain but with a commitment to protecting the world because of how he was raised.

someone who saves the world as his day job and explores the mysteries of the universe on his free time

the fortress of solitude is a great concept because it's his lab where he can do things beyond the grasp of human thought, his version of dr manhattain's mars structure. 

 

[Armada]

 
he's dr manhattain but with a commitment to protecting the world because of how he was raised.

someone who saves the world as his day job and explores the mysteries of the universe on his free time

the fortress of solitude is a great concept because it's his lab where he can do things beyond the grasp of human thought, his version of dr manhattain's mars structure. 

I see what you mean I just see it a little different. And I do like the fortress of solitude the one thing I would add is that Superman's fortress of solitude was not only a place for him to do research behind human thought but also escape the human thoughts the tend to **** up his mental state depending on whats going on at the time because they do get to him.

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On another topic about the movie more specifically I'm really interested to see what this 3 hours long directors cut is gonna be like. Cause there where definitely some parts that felt like where kind of hard cut to where I felt like I missed something. Really excited to see that directors cut.

 

[Master Zik]

What Snyder wants probably will be irrelevant soon enough. 70 percent drop in the USA its second weekend and stopped dead in its tracks in China. I caught an article with a headline that said that BvS hit the Great Wall of China

He finna catch the fade soon enough

And then we will be blessed with DC movies where we don't have to squint cuz lighting is non - existent.

He's definitely directing JL pt. 1 I'd say. Filming starts 9 days from now.

If he gets the boot, that'd be great but it'd be pretty funny for somebody new to be brought on for pt. 2 and the style of the film is completely different from pt. 1

If I were an all powerful character, I'd find it hard to relate to humans too. Think like they do and react to certain stuff like they do. If I was Kal and I do everything I can to save people and the planet, I'd lose my mind a little bit if my girl died too. Besides his cousin Kara, it seems like other kryptonians we see just want to be evil and rule the world. He might be able to relax more if he had other kryptonians to hang out with who were like him.

The Martian Manhunter approach handles this concept so much better

 

what makes superman interesting is the same thing that makes dr manhattain interesting. they are so powerful that they are able to focus on issues beyond human comprehension, if we are getting an all powerful god character then explore what someone would do and care about given this superior understanding of the universe and limitless ability to achieve anything. why do we need another emotionally soft character who only cares about saving his girl? huge waste of potential. 

Clark = Anakin


That's what Snyder wants.

or kylo ren?

when he needs help he just talks to his dead dad/granddad

Probably a mix. I'm seeing a lot of prequel Anakin in Clark.

Think of Anakin's feelings, thoughts, and approach to Padme and his unborn kid in the prequels. He was an all powerful Jedi that was deeply flawed (although at least he had being a slave as an excuse) while Clark is all powerful with not the best parents raising him to be the way he is.

I can see it now:

Batffleck: You were the Superman! Flash said that you would, destroy Darkseid, not join him. It was you who would bring hope to Earth, not leave it in darkness.

Superman: I HATE YOU!!!!!

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

The Doctor Manhattan comparisons don't fly for Superman because

A. The best iterations of the character still have him stay true to his small-town Kansas American values, whereas Dr. Manhattan progressively disassociates himself from humanity

B. He has a compelling day job and works as a journalist not as a means of "concealing his identity", but to uphold journalistic principles

C. He very much sees himself as "human" (in motivations, desires, etc)

D. There are dozens of DC characters more powerful than Superman, where as in Watchmen Dr Manhattan is the ONLY super-being, and regardless of that fact is virtually ominpotent. Superman is not omnipotent

Comparing Superman to Dr. Manhattan pushes the narrative of him being incomprehensible in motivations and character, and unrelatable. He's just a dude from Kansas who wants to help, point blank period.

 

[illmaticsoulchild]

Lois: I don't know you anymore. Clark.. you're breaking my heart. You're going down a path I cannot follow.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Traditional Superman doesn't sell comics anymore.

Traditional Superman movies flop today.

Even traditional Superman animation doesn't sell unless he's with other Superheroes.

I'm happy you guys keep bringing up Dr. Manhattan because you are basically admitting you want Jesus in a cape and you can't understand why people in today's society don't find that entertaining or relatable.

 

[sea manup]

and people find beta boy superman entertaining? 

one of the biggest complaints with this movie is how bland superman is.

 

[Master Zik]

The Dr. Manhattan comparison doesn't fit because one came before the other.

It was Superman first. Then Alan Moore took Superman to the next level and to his logical conclusion.

Superman could never be Dr. Manhattan simply cuz he's an alien that was raised on Earth and acclimated even while being a beacon of hope and near perfect like ppl like to say/criticize.

Dr. Manhattan is a product and marvel of science. He was a human all his life and was then completely transformed in to something more. He was simply holding on to what humanity he had left when he became a superhero and engaged in relationships. In the end he does what any GOD like being would do leave the puny humans behind and explore the unknown, go and try his hand at creating life and managing it.

Superman is too stuck in humanity to be Dr. Manhattan so story wise he could never really explore the same things when it comes to being a GOD among men.

There's only like one version of Superman that even got close to Dr. Manhattan and even then he was still Superman.

 

[Armada]

Not gonna like I like the idea of injustice on the big screen.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

1. Superman is not Dr. Manhattan.

2. Superman sells great when he's written well.


but unlike Batman when he's poorly written people will check out faster.

 

[everysingletime]

I refuse to believe superman can't be sold to today's public. Not when Smallville was on the air for ten years and Supergirl looks successful enough. People who been handling Superman lately have been crap at it.

One day a writer is going to come along who's a Supes fan and just kill it and it'll be comparable to when Fox resurrected Deadpool

 

[yancancook90]

Lois: I don't know you anymore. Clark.. you're breaking my heart. You're going down a path I cannot follow.

Bruce: Only an alien deals in absolutes. I will do what i must.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

1. Superman is not Dr. Manhattan.

2. Superman sells great when he's written well.


but unlike Batman when he's poorly written people will check out faster.

I don't think a solo Superman title has cracked the top 10 comic books sold in the last decade, maybe once.

 

[sea manup]

its not that superman needs to be dr manhattain

its that one of the most interesting things about superman, like dr manhattain, is that he can be used as a portal to high concept science fiction 

 

[Master Zik]

Traditional Superman doesn't sell comics anymore.

This version of Superman doesn't really sell comics either.

I'd actually like to know if Superman ever had the highest selling comic on the stands (probably back in the 30s before Batman) as far as a comic run goes. Not event **** like the Death of Superman.

Traditional Superman movies flop today.

Superman Returns you mean? That was just a bad movie.

Could be argued a traditional Supes movie for the modern day has not been made.

Even traditional Superman animation doesn't sell unless he's with other Superheroes.

Where can you go to keep track of the sales of DC animated shows and movies?

I don't keep track but how many new Superman animation has been made lately?

Superman vs. The Elite didn't sell? That animated movie is a good example of what could've been adapted for film for a traditional Superman movie btw.

I'm happy you guys keep bringing up Dr. Manhattan because you are basically admitting you want Jesus in a cape and you can't understand why people in today's society don't find that entertaining or relatable.

Dr. Manhattan was a far cry away from Jesus

 

[Armada]

I refuse to believe superman can't be sold to today's public. Not when Smallville was on the air for ten years and Supergirl looks successful enough. People who been handling Superman lately have been crap at it.

One day someone is going to come along who's a Supes fan and just kill it and it'll be comparable to when Fox resurrected Deadpool

I actually think this is true. Even though I don't like classic Superman I do believe it can still sell or be received well rather today if its written well like @Osh Kosh Bosh  said.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Definitive Superman explanation.

In the end, I saw Superman not as a superhero or even a science fiction character, but as a story of Everyman. We’re all Superman in our own adventures. We have our own Fortresses of Solitude we retreat to, with our own special collections of valued stuff, our own super–pets, our own “Bottle Cities” that we feel guilty for neglecting. We have our own peers and rivals and bizarre emotional or moral tangles to deal with.

I felt I’d really grasped the concept when I saw him as Everyman, or rather as the dreamself of Everyman. That “S” is the radiant emblem of divinity we reveal when we rip off our stuffy shirts, our social masks, our neuroses, our constructed selves, and become who we truly are. Batman is obviously much cooler, but that’s because he’s a very energetic and adolescent fantasy character: a handsome billionaire playboy in black leather with a butler at this beck and call, better cars and gadgetry than James Bond, a horde of fetish femme fatales baying around his heels and no boss.

Superman grew up baling hay on a farm. He goes to work, for a boss, in an office. He pines after a hard–working gal. Only when he tears off his shirt does that heroic, ideal inner self come to life. That’s actually a much more adult fantasy than the one Batman’s peddling but it also makes Superman a little harder to sell. He’s much more of a working class superhero.

American writers often say they find it difficult to write Superman. They say he’s too powerful; you can’t give him problems. But Superman is a metaphor. For me, Superman has the same problems we do, but on a Paul Bunyan scale. If Superman walks the dog, he walks it around the asteroid belt because it can fly in space. When Superman’s relatives visit, they come from the 31st century and bring some hellish monster conqueror from the future. But it’s still a story about your relatives visiting.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

I'm not saying this version of Superman is good.

I'm simply providing a reason why a studio that only wants to make money came up with this version in comparison to traditional Superman.