2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[ill steelo]

Lol funny how your saying his play is unsustainable like a player cant improve from his previous yr

Going from being a very very slightly above average 3 point shooter to being better than Reggie Miller & Ray Allen from deep in 1 off-season is unsustainable.

Going from never averaging above 20 for an entire season or playoff run to dropping a volume/efficiency combo that is superior to some of Kobe's best years is unsustainable.

It has been 4 games. He has 78 left. His numbers will come back down to earth.

 

[bonafide hustla]

Yea, because it was clear that PG couldn't handle him down there solo so Vogel started sending help and Bron gave it up to the shooters.

The fact is, Bron exceeded his averages against Indy when PG was the primary defender. He was not slowed down. He has brutalized Indy in both of their playoff matchups.

I dont really follow what you're defending/presenting anymore fam. You said you want someone that can get 25+ per game and slow down Lebron. You have yet to refute any concept of team/scheme being the way to stop a guy like Lebron. He transcends "lock down" defenders, so who the hell were you talking about ?!?! GOD might be able to get 25+ and lockdown/slowdown Bron, but you never implied GOD plays in the NBA right now.

It sounds like you're trying to say putting PG on Bron is a negative move for Indy, but you refer to Bron torching Indy altogether.... What are you saying man, its a moving target, lol.

Yea, thats what I just said.

The league average is 35%, so last season he was just barely above league average.

This year, he's on pace to set the record for most 3s made in a season. Again, completely unsustainable.

From a scoring perspective, Right now the combo of his volume and overall efficiency is superior to Kobe in his MVP year.

Again, completely unsustainable

can you give us a statline that you're expecting him to sustain? Asking seriously b/c I'm not sure what you're getting at with your original statement. This is all around your reasons why you'd take Harden over PG

 

[bonafide hustla]

Going from a very very slightly above average 3 point shooter to being better than Reggie Miller & Ray Allen from deep in 1 off-season is unsustainable.

Going from never averaging above 20 for an entire season or playoff run to dropping a volume/efficiency combo that is superior to some of Kobe's best years is unsustainable.

It has been 4 games. He has 78 left. His numbers will come back down to earth.

I'm pretty convinced you haven't really followed Paul George outside of his statline on nba.com and/or watchin a few games in the playoffs.

 

[bonafide hustla]

you're using some pretty generalized concepts. Get a little more specific to PG and look at his statistics in whole. His progression is off the charts since he's be handed the torch

 

[ill steelo]

Going from a very very slightly above average 3 point shooter to being better than Reggie Miller & Ray Allen from deep in 1 off-season is unsustainable.

Going from never averaging above 20 for an entire season or playoff run to dropping a volume/efficiency combo that is superior to some of Kobe's best years is unsustainable.

It has been 4 games. He has 78 left. His numbers will come back down to earth.

I'm pretty convinced you haven't really followed Paul George

Because I don't think he can sustain averages that would be one of the best scoring seasons in the history of basketball? Are you serious?

 

[bonafide hustla]

Because I don't think he can sustain averages that would be one of the best scoring seasons in the history of basketball? Are you serious?

nobody disagreed with saying his current numbers can't sustain. they're OFF THE CHARTS right now. but you talk like PG wasn't already developing at a high rate. So far you've only dropped 8 threes vs. 6 threes which really isnt that significant. So I say that because you're making generalized statements and dont sound like you realize his development is old news

 

[ill steelo]

His progression is off the charts since he's be handed the torch

Offensively? No it hasn't. Off the charts does not equate to struggling to eclipse 20 points on marginal efficiency most nights, which is what he gave you during the vast majority of last season

 

[ill steelo]

So far you've only dropped 8 threes vs. 6 threes which really isnt that significant.

Are you COMPLETELY ignoring his percentages?

Last season he was a very slightly above average shooter. This year he's on pace to make more threes than Ray & Reggie. And that's not significant??

I feel like I'm getting trolled right now

 

[do work son]

& if he lockes up cp

So be it ... as long as he doesn't put CP on the injured list...

Cp3 won't let that happen without a cheap shot to the man parts

 

[bonafide hustla]

Are you COMPLETELY ignoring his percentages?

Last season he was a very slightly above average shooter. This year he's on pace to make more threes than Ray & Reggie. And that's not significant??

I feel like I'm getting trolled right now

you sound like you're sitting on box scores and being a dotcom Tom. nobody's arguing against the numbers being inflated. I'm arguing his progression is growing at a fast rate. Harden shot the same percentage 3 last year and averaged 25, yet you want to keep talking about how average of a shooter he is and more importantly will absolutely still be. again this going back to your reasons taking Harden over PG.

I'm gonna chill on replying till you tell the thread what you expect his numbers to be this year, Mr. Hollinger


funny thing about this is I'm a huge Harden/Rockets fan. You can say you'll take Harden, but you can't use that argument you kicked this debate off with. PG is balling

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

@ Dotcom Tom

 

[blastercombo]

Cp3 won't let that happen without a cheap shot to the man parts

You forget that Paul actually posses a sort of force field that allows him to be physically knocked over without the need for actual physical contact. He'd go to the hospital in order sell a foul call lol



Plus the cheap shot

 

[jsindaa]

Are you COMPLETELY ignoring his percentages?

Last season he was a very slightly above average shooter. This year he's on pace to make more threes than Ray & Reggie. And that's not significant??

I feel like I'm getting trolled right now

NO ONE argued that he wouldn't drop off but you are suggesting, basically, that he won't improve which is just as stupid. On top of that you used Bron of all people as an indictment against PG as a defender, when Harden is an awful defender. Who's really the troll?

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

Let the cheap shot go man


He wasn't even in the league at the time

 

[do work son]

Didn't he get Bruce Bowen too

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

Didn't he get Bruce Bowen too

 

[ill steelo]

you sound like you're sitting on box scores and being a dotcom Tom. nobody's arguing against the numbers being inflated. I'm arguing his progression is growing at a fast rate.

And you sound like a delusional fan. The dude struggled to eclipse 20 a night, while giving you marginal efficiency for the vast majority of last season. That is not off the charts progression at all.

Harden shot the same percentage 3 last year and averaged 25

Because he got to free throw line at a rate better than Jordan and Wade.

Paul George doesn't come close to that

 

[hood17]

Stop leaving Ray open for the love of gawd!

u wet doggy?

uh?

 

[coldcity]

@KCJHoop: NBA spokesman said after talking to union rep Jerry Stackhouse players can wear kinesio tape on a "experimental basis." So DRose can wear now

 

[Scarborough]

For the guys that are shooters, who's shooting stroke do you guys prefer? Thompson or Curry?

 

[ill steelo]

Are you COMPLETELY ignoring his percentages?

Last season he was a very slightly above average shooter. This year he's on pace to make more threes than Ray & Reggie. And that's not significant??

I feel like I'm getting trolled right now

NO ONE argued that he wouldn't drop off but you are suggesting, basically, that he won't improve

Your comprehension is terrible. I CLEARLY said he won't improve this much in ONE season. You don't go from average shooter to better than Ray/Reggie in 1 year. You don't go from struggling to break 20 on marginal efficiency to giving me 27 a night on 67% TS in ONE season

Never said he wouldnt improve at all.

edit:

On top of that you used Bron of all people as an indictment against PG as a defender, when Harden is an awful defender.

Yea if I'm trying to beat Miami, and LeBron is dropping 30 on 50% on player A or player B, I want the player who can give me the most points on offense since NEITHER player can slow down LeBron.

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

Derrick Rose is a hipster.

 

[larrydavid]

For the guys that are shooters, who's shooting stroke do you guys prefer? Thompson or Curry?

Thompson got the AAU high school product sniper...

Curry got the rec. ball "how the hell is he releasing that quick and wetting that bit**?!" form that you try to copy but can't replicate no matter how hard you try shot.

With that said, give me Curry, might change to Thompson tomorrow.

 

[bhzmafia14]

wtf

 

[bonafide hustla]

And you sound like a delusional fan. The dude struggled to eclipse 20 a night, while giving you marginal efficiency for the vast majority of last season. That is not off the charts progression at all.
Because he got to free throw line at a rate better than Jordan and Wade.

Paul George doesn't come close to that

I'm from Houston and I'm a James Harden fan. Not a fan of PG any more than Harden.

his progression is off the charts since he's been given the torch. you're boxscore whoring. If you actually watched him, you might understand this progression everyone is talking about. its not solely about percentages. His role/expectations have increased also.

You probably didnt support the Harden trade until after he put up the guady stats huh? High PERs and eFG%. If you watched Harden in college and early OKC, you wouldnt be surprised at the capability. Stats only go so far when coaching/scheme have a lot to account for the game.